Emirates Meeting On 18th
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Speed Alt,
What a pathetic use of the english language. If you cant state anything without taking the total piss out of the people reading it by your deliberate, pathetic spelling and your "oh, english is not my first language" crap, then please dont bother. Your postings are just intangible ramblings and garbage.
What a pathetic use of the english language. If you cant state anything without taking the total piss out of the people reading it by your deliberate, pathetic spelling and your "oh, english is not my first language" crap, then please dont bother. Your postings are just intangible ramblings and garbage.
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ratpoison
Everybody can post what they like and if my posts as you say are no good then next time you can skip them and save your self the hassle of checking on my spelling!!!
BB
I wish i can attend tomorrows meeting but i'm not a U.A.E national. But 27th is the date then
Everybody can post what they like and if my posts as you say are no good then next time you can skip them and save your self the hassle of checking on my spelling!!!
BB
I wish i can attend tomorrows meeting but i'm not a U.A.E national. But 27th is the date then
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Go to the meeting, as Dissapointed said, the food is really quite good.
Ratpoison, lay off the insults old chap, let's have a cohesive voice for once!
Someone mentioned writing to the big bosses. Does anyone know the Chirman's email address? We could get the letter written between us and if the goods do not appear on the 27th we could send it off from us all. It would mean someone writing it and everyone agreeing to send it to him, worth a try I guess?
Ratpoison, lay off the insults old chap, let's have a cohesive voice for once!
Someone mentioned writing to the big bosses. Does anyone know the Chirman's email address? We could get the letter written between us and if the goods do not appear on the 27th we could send it off from us all. It would mean someone writing it and everyone agreeing to send it to him, worth a try I guess?
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We could perhaps begin any collective letter with a statement of our collective aversion to racial discrimination of any sort - as, if I receive less than someone else (equally qualified) doing the same job on the basis of my race or background - then I am being discriminated against.
Discuss.....!
Discuss.....!
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i totally agree with you i'll call DNATA head office on 04 2951111 and ask to speak to Sheikh Ahmed's secretary. i should get through and she should give me an email address as Dissapointed says if this happens i'll let you all know then we could write all or points and send it to him then he could get a better pic of whats happening and sort it out . Take it easy
i totally agree with you i'll call DNATA head office on 04 2951111 and ask to speak to Sheikh Ahmed's secretary. i should get through and she should give me an email address as Dissapointed says if this happens i'll let you all know then we could write all or points and send it to him then he could get a better pic of whats happening and sort it out . Take it easy
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Dont think Speed Dude is an EK pilot...maybe a EK pilots youngest son..naahh..not even..
Waste of time anyway. Anyone hearing the latest info on the National meeting, please spread the good news.
Payscale
Waste of time anyway. Anyone hearing the latest info on the National meeting, please spread the good news.Payscale
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EZGOEKFO??
I just read a reply from EZGOwhateverisyournameagain... and now your post disappeared.. was it wrong or did your source ask you to delete it or what happened??? 
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local meeting just end up like the last one MR ENGR ask every one to say what they want then he said nothing is going is change 
take it or leave it!!!!!! funny thing not lots of the local pilots attended the meeting anyway.
Payscale dude you stay cool and mature!! and thanks for thinking that i'm 10 it's great feeling i have now.
ratpoison I cann't believe you're still reading what i write isn't pathetic eng for you or you got nothing better to do but check on my spelling
thanks anyway for doing that
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take it or leave it!!!!!! funny thing not lots of the local pilots attended the meeting anyway.Payscale dude you stay cool and mature!! and thanks for thinking that i'm 10 it's great feeling i have now.
ratpoison I cann't believe you're still reading what i write isn't pathetic eng for you or you got nothing better to do but check on my spelling
thanks anyway for doing that :
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MR8 I did not delete it, I do not know where it went, but here it goes again...
Bad meeting, lots of name calling and eventualy pilots walking out. The bottom line was , no 15% increase as promissed by the UAE government, and widely rumoured, as we are not a government business, and we are already making "too much money".... We will get the 3% and because Emirates is the airline of choice we will be given another 2% topup. We are lucky to have a job in these difficult conditions, if we do not like it, the doors are open, the airline is still receiving lots of applications daily from pilots and we made over 1 billion US$ profit. Profit share not discussed as by this time things had gotten out of hand. Most of the local pilots called it a waste of time, and some said they would take it up with the Shake. My guy says nothing will come of this unfortunately, as it seems that Al Redha is not acting on his own on this. If Emirates top management realy wanted to give us the 15%, they could do it, bypassing everyone below them as it is a government backed pay increase, and nothing to do with the Shake's graciousness, nor management's view on pilot pay.
We all have to wake up and realize that things will not improve, nor will we be given the inflation adjustment that most of the expats working in the UAE will be given, not now not ever. The future is for Asian pilots to replace those of us who do not like the T&Cs and decide to seek greener pastures, and to crew the mass ammount of aircraft coming....
On the other hand there is no short supply of pilots internaly seeking to fill every position advertised for, nor do they have any problem finding pilots working their days off to cover the roster....
With this type of behaviour on our part, happy to pick up any bone thrown towards, I also do not see an improvement in our T&Cs nor do I see management giving us any respect.....
After two dissapointing years waiting for a pay increase, one last year, and now this year I think that it is written on the wall, the future of our T&Cs is erosion, and the 3% is the way forward....
Keep Discovering.....
Bad meeting, lots of name calling and eventualy pilots walking out. The bottom line was , no 15% increase as promissed by the UAE government, and widely rumoured, as we are not a government business, and we are already making "too much money".... We will get the 3% and because Emirates is the airline of choice we will be given another 2% topup. We are lucky to have a job in these difficult conditions, if we do not like it, the doors are open, the airline is still receiving lots of applications daily from pilots and we made over 1 billion US$ profit. Profit share not discussed as by this time things had gotten out of hand. Most of the local pilots called it a waste of time, and some said they would take it up with the Shake. My guy says nothing will come of this unfortunately, as it seems that Al Redha is not acting on his own on this. If Emirates top management realy wanted to give us the 15%, they could do it, bypassing everyone below them as it is a government backed pay increase, and nothing to do with the Shake's graciousness, nor management's view on pilot pay.
We all have to wake up and realize that things will not improve, nor will we be given the inflation adjustment that most of the expats working in the UAE will be given, not now not ever. The future is for Asian pilots to replace those of us who do not like the T&Cs and decide to seek greener pastures, and to crew the mass ammount of aircraft coming....
On the other hand there is no short supply of pilots internaly seeking to fill every position advertised for, nor do they have any problem finding pilots working their days off to cover the roster....
With this type of behaviour on our part, happy to pick up any bone thrown towards, I also do not see an improvement in our T&Cs nor do I see management giving us any respect.....
After two dissapointing years waiting for a pay increase, one last year, and now this year I think that it is written on the wall, the future of our T&Cs is erosion, and the 3% is the way forward....
Keep Discovering.....
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CTOAN,
Good idea, but not in the Middle East, things don't work here as they do in other countries. Don't know about Dubai or EK though.
I do not work for EK or in the UAE, so please forgive my ignorance, but why do expats get 15% and nationals get 25% increase? Is it because expats are paid higher? Would appreciate it if someone would enlighten me!
Cheers
guybrush
Good idea, but not in the Middle East, things don't work here as they do in other countries. Don't know about Dubai or EK though.
I do not work for EK or in the UAE, so please forgive my ignorance, but why do expats get 15% and nationals get 25% increase? Is it because expats are paid higher? Would appreciate it if someone would enlighten me!
Cheers
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EZ, no real surprises. I suspect you are correct in that AAR is not acting alone. Amazing how EK is a government airline when they want to be, but have nothing to do with the government when it is more convenient for them.
guybrush, those were the salary increases the UAE government in AD decreed for government workers, and recommended for other businesses in the UAE. Rents have already increased in response. Witness the latest group of pilots given 2 weeks notice to leave their housing as EK won't pay the rent increase on their villas.
guybrush, those were the salary increases the UAE government in AD decreed for government workers, and recommended for other businesses in the UAE. Rents have already increased in response. Witness the latest group of pilots given 2 weeks notice to leave their housing as EK won't pay the rent increase on their villas.
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Well the answer for me is simple. Good Morning, Good Afternoon, Good Evening and just in case I dont see you Adel, Goodnight, you shalt receive my resignation by fax from the aircraft if thats what you want to tell me on the 27th.
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Well, boys
Just as expected. Difficult times... high fuel prices.. yada yada
Just face it. The big pay increase will never come to EK.
What to do now.
Be professional and polite as always.
Don't work on days off. Don't fly into discretion. If you are sick or tired, don't go to work. They need instructors, don't apply.
And of course. As always bitch and moan
For you guys who would like to work for these people. Please do. But ask questions during your interview. (accomodation, promotion to capt etc)
And for the 15/24 %. Get used to it. That's the way it works. Wait until you get hit by a Landcruiser from behind and it's your fault.
Just as expected. Difficult times... high fuel prices.. yada yada
Just face it. The big pay increase will never come to EK.
What to do now.
Be professional and polite as always.
Don't work on days off. Don't fly into discretion. If you are sick or tired, don't go to work. They need instructors, don't apply.
And of course. As always bitch and moan
For you guys who would like to work for these people. Please do. But ask questions during your interview. (accomodation, promotion to capt etc)
And for the 15/24 %. Get used to it. That's the way it works. Wait until you get hit by a Landcruiser from behind and it's your fault.
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What to do? What to do?
I have to wonder how we ever got here and how we can make things better? Having seen TCAS in action at close quarters recently, he is NOT our saviour. His was a performance reminiscent of a the Smiling Assassin and boy was he defensive.
So BBJ King has made some suggestions which I am already implementing until such time as I can extricate myself from this mess. Whilst I consider their attitude to expats patronising, that exhibited towards the locals (as evidenced by the latest meeting report) is downright arrogant. These pilots are here for the long run. Have 5 left to go to EY? If so, the writing is on the wall for the rest of us. EK has had its time, EY is next and for anyone intending on staying in the pit (I amn't) this might be a good time to change horses.
So BBJ King has made some suggestions which I am already implementing until such time as I can extricate myself from this mess. Whilst I consider their attitude to expats patronising, that exhibited towards the locals (as evidenced by the latest meeting report) is downright arrogant. These pilots are here for the long run. Have 5 left to go to EY? If so, the writing is on the wall for the rest of us. EK has had its time, EY is next and for anyone intending on staying in the pit (I amn't) this might be a good time to change horses.
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Hi everybody,
any of you guys noticed if the amount shown as your limit in that little window on the top right of the Trips portal (the page showing the status of your tickets) increased overnight by about 20%?
The amount displayed in that window used to be equal to my salary (about 18,000 AED) and now (I noticed it a couple of days ago) shows 21,852 AED........
mad
any of you guys noticed if the amount shown as your limit in that little window on the top right of the Trips portal (the page showing the status of your tickets) increased overnight by about 20%?
The amount displayed in that window used to be equal to my salary (about 18,000 AED) and now (I noticed it a couple of days ago) shows 21,852 AED........
mad