EK resuming DEC interviews
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EK resuming DEC interviews
Rumours from more than one source says EK will be resuming interviews for DECs in the coming months.
Are there more informed fellows wich could put some light on it?
Are there more informed fellows wich could put some light on it?
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FF:
Only more rumour I'm afraid but poor planning has left EK critically short of sim slots due to the 'scheduled' down time of EK sims in Dubai.
Management pilots have been seen in Singapore, BKK, Oz and other places looking for sim space.
I am guessing that if they can't find enough sim space (and rumour has it that they can't) then DECs may be sought who require less sim time....
Either way, the spectre of DECs is apparently looming yet again due to some incredibly inept management and lack of foresight. If they do appear it can only be detrimental to those waiting for their turn on the command conveyor and again they are SO UNNECESSARY.
Only more rumour I'm afraid but poor planning has left EK critically short of sim slots due to the 'scheduled' down time of EK sims in Dubai.
Management pilots have been seen in Singapore, BKK, Oz and other places looking for sim space.
I am guessing that if they can't find enough sim space (and rumour has it that they can't) then DECs may be sought who require less sim time....
Either way, the spectre of DECs is apparently looming yet again due to some incredibly inept management and lack of foresight. If they do appear it can only be detrimental to those waiting for their turn on the command conveyor and again they are SO UNNECESSARY.
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If you think about it it makes perfect sense. It takes less time to train a guy who has never flown a 330 or 340 or 777 in his life but held a command in some dodgy outfit on a medium where nobody knows !!!! about the general level of standards. Than it does to move a guy Right to Left who has worked for you for three years min, knows the aircraft like the back of his hand and the routes and the laborious SOP's and has a ludicrously over the top amount of hours.
The only factor not taken into account is that as they hire the DEC's the experienced FO's leave and training doubles anyway.
On the subject of resignations did you hear one of our captains resigned by attaching his resignation to the Fatigue related ASR and sending it to the CEO. Not rumour that one, FACT and he doesent have a job to go to.
The only factor not taken into account is that as they hire the DEC's the experienced FO's leave and training doubles anyway.
On the subject of resignations did you hear one of our captains resigned by attaching his resignation to the Fatigue related ASR and sending it to the CEO. Not rumour that one, FACT and he doesent have a job to go to.
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All this is terribly unfair to FOs that 'bought the farm' and now see the rules been bent unilaterally...
This situation will only change either by market forces or an union (unthinkable for the time being)
This situation will only change either by market forces or an union (unthinkable for the time being)
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Vorsicht You say an EK 777 Capt joining SQ Cargo on 744
I find that quite amazing. Guess he just wants a change or Perhaps he comes from OZ and wants to get nearer home???
Hope he knows what he is letting himself in for.
I find that quite amazing. Guess he just wants a change or Perhaps he comes from OZ and wants to get nearer home???
Hope he knows what he is letting himself in for.
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millerscourt
You shouldn't be amazed. I know that SIA has its problelms, but it goes to show that EK has an equivalent amount of problems, such that small things like proximity to home or aircraft type can make the difference.
The fact that one of our guys is leaving for SIA should be a clear warning to those looking toward EK. Do your homework!
You shouldn't be amazed. I know that SIA has its problelms, but it goes to show that EK has an equivalent amount of problems, such that small things like proximity to home or aircraft type can make the difference.
The fact that one of our guys is leaving for SIA should be a clear warning to those looking toward EK. Do your homework!
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For the upgrade I believe it is 9 sim sessions compared to the 5 that the DEC's with Airbus experience get. Thus the beancounters figured it would be cost effective to hire DEC's. As the package did not attract the required candidates, the criteria changed and experienced non Airbus Capts were hired which invalidated all the cost savings as they were put on the long course anyway...and as rtp notes the FO's with the route/type/SOP experience were knocked back...
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Same at Qr
I read your post about your DECs and feel the fustration you guys are going through at Emirates.
If you remove the word EMIRATES from the post and put QATAR AIRWAYS, it is the same, same, same over here with the way they treat the F/Os and the upgrading. Pathetic way to treat your long time, dedicated, f/os.
We also hire the non type rated captains that have to go through the full coarse. They are hired just because they did some "JET" left seat time at some airline that gave them a quick upgrade on a 737 or MD-80 and now they fly here at QR. Some of them have no idea what is going on. You should hear the stories coming from these F/Os at QR about the QUALITY in the left seat? Probably the same stories over at Emirates?
Anyhow, we feel the same pain over here at QR. Sad but true.
Hajj Man
If you remove the word EMIRATES from the post and put QATAR AIRWAYS, it is the same, same, same over here with the way they treat the F/Os and the upgrading. Pathetic way to treat your long time, dedicated, f/os.
We also hire the non type rated captains that have to go through the full coarse. They are hired just because they did some "JET" left seat time at some airline that gave them a quick upgrade on a 737 or MD-80 and now they fly here at QR. Some of them have no idea what is going on. You should hear the stories coming from these F/Os at QR about the QUALITY in the left seat? Probably the same stories over at Emirates?
Anyhow, we feel the same pain over here at QR. Sad but true.
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Hajj Man,
I flew with quite a few of the DEC's at EK, and most of them are good at what they are doing. All of them are great to fly with as they are relatively new in the company and are still enjoying Dubai without moaning to much.. it's a change.
I think the DEC's are colleagues just like everybody else and they are not to blame for taking an opportunity that was given to them by EK, even if they lack experience compared to some F/Os who have been kept waiting longer then expected.
I do understand that one is completely pissed of hearing the DEC he's flying with has his first job on glass or with pax at EK, but they only applied for a better living themselves..
I have no idea about your situation at QR, but don't blame your DEC's.
For the EK guys..
As a F/O at EK, we're completely f
cked... EK management can do whatever they want with us.. most of us can't leave... Bond, car loan, expenses of moving again, trying to find a better job then EK (no, I'm not planning to go back to some Low Cost just because of that left seat). Combined with all the saving you can do as a F/O at EK (nada), our situation is just asking to be exploited... sad but true..
I flew with quite a few of the DEC's at EK, and most of them are good at what they are doing. All of them are great to fly with as they are relatively new in the company and are still enjoying Dubai without moaning to much.. it's a change.
I think the DEC's are colleagues just like everybody else and they are not to blame for taking an opportunity that was given to them by EK, even if they lack experience compared to some F/Os who have been kept waiting longer then expected.
I do understand that one is completely pissed of hearing the DEC he's flying with has his first job on glass or with pax at EK, but they only applied for a better living themselves..
I have no idea about your situation at QR, but don't blame your DEC's.
For the EK guys..
As a F/O at EK, we're completely f
cked... EK management can do whatever they want with us.. most of us can't leave... Bond, car loan, expenses of moving again, trying to find a better job then EK (no, I'm not planning to go back to some Low Cost just because of that left seat). Combined with all the saving you can do as a F/O at EK (nada), our situation is just asking to be exploited... sad but true..
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LHR
I think your words are just a bit over the top old boy.
However, I agree that EK should never have gone down this route with so many qualified F/O's clearly suitable for the LHS.
More of "addled" madness.
Have a night off it tomorrow.
I think your words are just a bit over the top old boy.
However, I agree that EK should never have gone down this route with so many qualified F/O's clearly suitable for the LHS.
More of "addled" madness.
Have a night off it tomorrow.
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LHR Rain,
For the sake of the future of Aviation , I sincerely hope you never make Command. The Industry is in enough trouble without people like you in charge. Not only should you not be in the Right seat, you shouldnt be on the aircraft fullstop!
For the sake of the future of Aviation , I sincerely hope you never make Command. The Industry is in enough trouble without people like you in charge. Not only should you not be in the Right seat, you shouldnt be on the aircraft fullstop!
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Ladbroke,
You metion that if I was not in aviation the industry would be better off. Fair enough, but how in your right mind can you believe that DEC's or people that take other peoples jobs is good for the industry? In my mind the DEC's are one of the biggest problems in the industry right now and with an eduacated guess we would have a lot less problems if not for them and the mangement that employs them and their tactics. Does BA employ such tactics or even Air France?
So we are not allowed to speak our mind in aviation? I am only one bloke while there are countless (too many) DEC's ruining this fine profession. Do you speak out agaisnt them as well? Aviation used to be full of colorful characters now we are just waiting for the next hammer to fall. Lets take a stand and stop the madness.
You metion that if I was not in aviation the industry would be better off. Fair enough, but how in your right mind can you believe that DEC's or people that take other peoples jobs is good for the industry? In my mind the DEC's are one of the biggest problems in the industry right now and with an eduacated guess we would have a lot less problems if not for them and the mangement that employs them and their tactics. Does BA employ such tactics or even Air France?
So we are not allowed to speak our mind in aviation? I am only one bloke while there are countless (too many) DEC's ruining this fine profession. Do you speak out agaisnt them as well? Aviation used to be full of colorful characters now we are just waiting for the next hammer to fall. Lets take a stand and stop the madness.