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EAN 36,
What can I say? I've been around here quite some time & with these guys I have never had so many illegal blocks/rosters. How does 4 illegal rosters in 6 months sound? Professional? I think not. I have never had so many 15+ hour duties planned as has happened recently.
What can I say? I've been around here quite some time & with these guys I have never had so many illegal blocks/rosters. How does 4 illegal rosters in 6 months sound? Professional? I think not. I have never had so many 15+ hour duties planned as has happened recently.
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Vfenext
You have attempted to play the man, now you make a play on nationalities- but quickly back peddle when convenient as evidenced by your response to REM's questioning.
May I politely take you apart?
Your circumstances, and my belated efforts to paint an accurate picture for prospective GF F/O's, very similar.
By your own admission you have "lasted here" five times longer than me. So, six years as an expat F/O prior to promotion to the widebody fleet ( unless you exagerrated a little ). Command unlikely due internal politics and localisation of promotion ( list any expat command upgrades in the last 10 years and couple this with GF's Direct Entry Command policy ).
When former ( and current F/O's ) provided their impressions and experiences to those, contemplating a move half way around the world to GF ( on the premise of possible career path ), yourself and Ia166 launched a personal broadside.
What we are left with now is Ia166 doing a runner, from a supposedly wonderful career opportunity ( remember he was a Direct Entry captain and not an F/O ) back to the contract world he hatched from, and your published circumstances.
You moan about the 30 odd pilots that left GF in the last 6 months or so. But they did you-and serving GF pilots- a great service. All, except for Ia166 who did not have time due his hurried departure, provided a couple of reasons in writing for their leaving.
Included were 1- The insecurity of having contracts renewed. 2- Poor renumeration. 3- Seniority 4- Per diem being, unfairly, significantly less than a captain's.
Results 1- Permament contract 2- Payrise 3- GF cadets not being allocated seniority prior to checking out and jumping expat F/O's 4- F/O Per Diem has been matched with that of a GF captain.
You did not earn the above Vfe; it was the severe pilot attrition and decency of those who left, who communicated their griviences to management. Did Ia166 do similar?
You mentioned eloquently that recent leavers "pissed off people A LOT". I was not aware of this; maybe it was hard to be popular when making a stand on certain issues.
We know what you tolerate so have a good indication of your operational fortitude!
You have attempted to play the man, now you make a play on nationalities- but quickly back peddle when convenient as evidenced by your response to REM's questioning.
May I politely take you apart?
Your circumstances, and my belated efforts to paint an accurate picture for prospective GF F/O's, very similar.
By your own admission you have "lasted here" five times longer than me. So, six years as an expat F/O prior to promotion to the widebody fleet ( unless you exagerrated a little ). Command unlikely due internal politics and localisation of promotion ( list any expat command upgrades in the last 10 years and couple this with GF's Direct Entry Command policy ).
When former ( and current F/O's ) provided their impressions and experiences to those, contemplating a move half way around the world to GF ( on the premise of possible career path ), yourself and Ia166 launched a personal broadside.
What we are left with now is Ia166 doing a runner, from a supposedly wonderful career opportunity ( remember he was a Direct Entry captain and not an F/O ) back to the contract world he hatched from, and your published circumstances.
You moan about the 30 odd pilots that left GF in the last 6 months or so. But they did you-and serving GF pilots- a great service. All, except for Ia166 who did not have time due his hurried departure, provided a couple of reasons in writing for their leaving.
Included were 1- The insecurity of having contracts renewed. 2- Poor renumeration. 3- Seniority 4- Per diem being, unfairly, significantly less than a captain's.
Results 1- Permament contract 2- Payrise 3- GF cadets not being allocated seniority prior to checking out and jumping expat F/O's 4- F/O Per Diem has been matched with that of a GF captain.
You did not earn the above Vfe; it was the severe pilot attrition and decency of those who left, who communicated their griviences to management. Did Ia166 do similar?
You mentioned eloquently that recent leavers "pissed off people A LOT". I was not aware of this; maybe it was hard to be popular when making a stand on certain issues.
We know what you tolerate so have a good indication of your operational fortitude!
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Bagshaw three words sum you up BITTER TWISTED and WRONG. Must be a joy to fly with you and your attitude. Do you need an extra cabin bag for your ego? Anyway don't bother to reply, off on leave now and won't be thinking of you on the piste! Merry Xmas everyone (except Bagshaw of course).
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As with all situations where blame is being laid on the closest victim, please remember that the Canadian mafia you have so kindly apportioned all the blame on, INHERITED what they are working to fix! That's a big reason they are here...the previous gang were busy taking baksheesh (sp?) in order to give their mates a leg up on the rest. Now the job that used to be pretty easy is suddenly changing. These guys are finding themselves working to max hours, but think it's illegal. Guess what? The rest of the flying world is finding out the same, work for your $$$ not $$$ for your work. Sorry to have to let you know, but the free rides are over. If you have a problem with it, try to not forget that this attitude nearly put GF and more than a few other airlines in the ground. Wait for the serious efficiencies to kick in, but don't blame the "Canadian guys", they're only doing what they were asked to do.
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Professionalism
Mogley instead of opposing the new scheduling management and bashing them via PPRune, perhaps you could be "Professional" enough to write your views and concerns directly to the Canadians.
They have inherited a 20 year mess of coruption, favourtism and neglect.
They have inherited a 20 year mess of coruption, favourtism and neglect.
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SilicaStorm,
Just to let you know that I have been "Professional" enough as you say and have written many times to the responsible parties and still recieved nothing. But what to do? I guess we are not allowed to voice our concern or complaints without everybody getting upset & thowing their handbags around
Just to let you know that I have been "Professional" enough as you say and have written many times to the responsible parties and still recieved nothing. But what to do? I guess we are not allowed to voice our concern or complaints without everybody getting upset & thowing their handbags around
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Voicing complaints = Still doing your job correctly and upto the highest professional standards with company welfare in mind.But also critisizing things that seem wrong via the correct channels.
Pissing n moaning = Just showing upto work in uniform and not caring about anything else & then complaining on pprune.
Pissing n moaning = Just showing upto work in uniform and not caring about anything else & then complaining on pprune.
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...been in Bahrain for the - professional - interview procedure with GF, and been offered the job!
However, after looking through the seriously deteriorated T&C i didn' t take it!
C'm on - that crappy payment is really a (bad) joke - less than 3.500 U$ basic pay for a B 767 F/O with > 6.000 hrs on type -
very low allowances as well - housing is crappy as well - No way to sit in the sand-pit for those peanuts !
I rather wait for my emirates interview comin' up in january!
However, after looking through the seriously deteriorated T&C i didn' t take it!
C'm on - that crappy payment is really a (bad) joke - less than 3.500 U$ basic pay for a B 767 F/O with > 6.000 hrs on type -
very low allowances as well - housing is crappy as well - No way to sit in the sand-pit for those peanuts !
I rather wait for my emirates interview comin' up in january!
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Wait til you has a look at the EK salary scale!! It's the same except for a few annual bonus's. Have you seen the cost of living in Dubai lately? Suggest more research before throwing the baby out with the bath water. Strange you should expect more money because you have >6000hrs, thats not a lot in this part of the world. And your calculation of $3500 basic sounds a bit off to say the least. Should be more like $4500 with no allowances, if you come out with less than $6000 pm gross it's a bad month, really! Things are very busy and OT is available every month and you can choose to work days off at $270 a day. By all means knock the job for lots of things but money is not a good one. With no tax in the gulf you will have a hard time matching it elsewhere, not impossible though I suppose.
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Cyber, you must have something with the GF -'professional'- interview. I guess it's not your kinda thing so hope you enjoy the EK interview and good luck.
Vfenext, Cyber is pretty much in the ball park on basic pay (without wife, kids, housing, school, etc. allowances), unless you're talking about Capt's basic salary. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I've got on paper infront of me now. And yes, $6000 take home for the month's work is good for sanity. Starting in Bahrain in 4 weeks time. Cyber wants to be paid for his >6000hrs on type so maybe EK will be able to look after him for what/who he is worth. 
Vfenext, Cyber is pretty much in the ball park on basic pay (without wife, kids, housing, school, etc. allowances), unless you're talking about Capt's basic salary. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I've got on paper infront of me now. And yes, $6000 take home for the month's work is good for sanity. Starting in Bahrain in 4 weeks time. Cyber wants to be paid for his >6000hrs on type so maybe EK will be able to look after him for what/who he is worth.
