EK FTL scheme
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EK FTL scheme
No airline is perfect, but... Jesus Christ! "You know who" has to go... I can't believe I work for an airline which now cuts off the duty day "on chocks" on the final sector. This "limitation" or rather lack of one, comes right after the EK definition of "duty" - defined as: "...period during which a crew member is required to carry out any task associated with the business of the company"... but the FDP, flying duty period, is a separate definition! ...so we set the brake, and the clock stops whilst we finish shutting down, checklists, paperwork, debrief engineering on snags etcetera, and then wait for our ride to our briefing center. This is bull!!!!. Time spent doing company business is duty. If I am in the seat, and the aircraft is still signed out in my name, then I am responsible for the aircraft and its occupants. That is flight duty. PERIOD. But I guess this is what can happen when the airline and the local CAA are one in the same... !!!!.
I have noticed that since the Jo'berg incident in April that things have gotten quiet on the forum, and around the water cooler at work. Not much meaningful being posted on the forum... This airline has created a climate of fear. No one dares speak, for fear of retribution. Punishment is meted out in a primitive reactive fashion by self serving, pencil-spined, chair polishing wimps. Truth? Transparency? Professional integrity? Stand up for what's right? Not here, we have an inversion of quality management - it's who says they are right, not "what's right" which counts. Words and communication have become dangerous. So, no one is speaking up for the pilots on the issue of flight duty periods. Not even ourselves. Middle management are marshmellows - they don't transmit anything up or down the chain, they just absorb... little event horizons of their own, little black holes swallowing up the light of integrity and ethical behaviour... a bunch of experts in self preservation. This is one of the most shameful professional environments I have ever been in. Further, there hasn't been a roster presented in a timely fashion in the last 4 months. This month the Airbus guys didn't get their rosters till the 27th of July... this is !!!!. "Thank you for your support" Yeh folks, come to Emirates and "keep on discovering..." what a lousy level of care you'll get. Wanabees - stay the hell away!
I have noticed that since the Jo'berg incident in April that things have gotten quiet on the forum, and around the water cooler at work. Not much meaningful being posted on the forum... This airline has created a climate of fear. No one dares speak, for fear of retribution. Punishment is meted out in a primitive reactive fashion by self serving, pencil-spined, chair polishing wimps. Truth? Transparency? Professional integrity? Stand up for what's right? Not here, we have an inversion of quality management - it's who says they are right, not "what's right" which counts. Words and communication have become dangerous. So, no one is speaking up for the pilots on the issue of flight duty periods. Not even ourselves. Middle management are marshmellows - they don't transmit anything up or down the chain, they just absorb... little event horizons of their own, little black holes swallowing up the light of integrity and ethical behaviour... a bunch of experts in self preservation. This is one of the most shameful professional environments I have ever been in. Further, there hasn't been a roster presented in a timely fashion in the last 4 months. This month the Airbus guys didn't get their rosters till the 27th of July... this is !!!!. "Thank you for your support" Yeh folks, come to Emirates and "keep on discovering..." what a lousy level of care you'll get. Wanabees - stay the hell away!
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From: Dubayy
I believe this FDP ending with ON CHOCKS is rather in line with CAP371 a UK publication pertaining to FTL. Whether the rest of the FTL actually follows it 100% I am not too sure - Mach you will have do do some matching and research.
From what I gather - FDP affects the current flight directly and once the chocks are on - the flight is deemed to have completed. Whereas your rest period affects the ensuing duty and thus includes the 30 mins or whatever airline agreed post flight as part of the duty - this will determine the rest that you require prior to operating again.
FDP and Duty are different. One is used for Flying and the other used for Rest. A lot of Major Airlines certainly follow this scheme or close to it with variations based on Operator requirements - these normally are worked out with Regulatory Authority and Pilot body/Company.
From what I gather - FDP affects the current flight directly and once the chocks are on - the flight is deemed to have completed. Whereas your rest period affects the ensuing duty and thus includes the 30 mins or whatever airline agreed post flight as part of the duty - this will determine the rest that you require prior to operating again.
FDP and Duty are different. One is used for Flying and the other used for Rest. A lot of Major Airlines certainly follow this scheme or close to it with variations based on Operator requirements - these normally are worked out with Regulatory Authority and Pilot body/Company.
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From: Infinity and Beyond
Mach-hog
I hear what you're saying and would like to agree with you.
Please see the following link which will send you to the CAA CAP371 page where you can download the document. Sadly we are in line with this document with regards to FDP and Duty.
http://www.caa.co.uk/publications/pu...ails.asp?id=22
I hear what you're saying and would like to agree with you.
Please see the following link which will send you to the CAA CAP371 page where you can download the document. Sadly we are in line with this document with regards to FDP and Duty.
http://www.caa.co.uk/publications/pu...ails.asp?id=22
