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Having the applicants pay for the selection process is in my view abusive. The initial selection is done by reviewing the application documents (and there are plenty) and only testing potentially very interesting candidates hence cutting selection costs to a minimum.
All in all, I think they are being very inflexible a)by asking candidates to pay to get in (!) and b) by insisting on having the candidates go to Beirut just to apply... I would have been interested (I am not sure if 2500 hours is considered low w/r to the applicants pool) but I guess I'll wait for something better!
Still love seeing your beautiful A330s in ABJ, ACC and LOS though...
Happy flying
All in all, I think they are being very inflexible a)by asking candidates to pay to get in (!) and b) by insisting on having the candidates go to Beirut just to apply... I would have been interested (I am not sure if 2500 hours is considered low w/r to the applicants pool) but I guess I'll wait for something better!
Still love seeing your beautiful A330s in ABJ, ACC and LOS though...
Happy flying
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pay is a selection process? rich in poor out? as you may know, alot of pilots have paid for their training, paying more to get into a job is out of the question, especially when the salary is in the lower thousand. If someone is sure and confident about their skills and credentials, they will apply somewhere where you don't have to use your money to get in.
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Anyone here has the slightest idea of how much we're talking about for those exams? And of what type they consist...
Cheers,
Cedarjet: when you mention low-timers...how much time do some of these applicants have?
Cheers,
Cedarjet: when you mention low-timers...how much time do some of these applicants have?
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I guess it's supply and demand. All the applicants in BEY are not complaining about the potential costs. Nobody knows the details yet as applicants will be contacted after 14th of AUG for further details.
MEA has not hired a single pilot since 1993 when 9 cadets got in, and the last class before them was in 1982. So basicaly they have hired 9 pilots in the last 22 years. A lot of Lebanese pilots have been waiting for MEA to recrute, and it looks like they are getting a lot of replies.
Next year MEA will go back to its original Cadet scheme where recruits are sent to flying school in the UK.
MEA has not hired a single pilot since 1993 when 9 cadets got in, and the last class before them was in 1982. So basicaly they have hired 9 pilots in the last 22 years. A lot of Lebanese pilots have been waiting for MEA to recrute, and it looks like they are getting a lot of replies.
Next year MEA will go back to its original Cadet scheme where recruits are sent to flying school in the UK.
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CedarJet:
So if I understand correctly, 98% of the pilots hired by different companies worldwide are not motivated or unsure of their qualification 
The only companie that I can think of making candidates pay for the selections is Ryanair. And believe me the last think I want to do is to compare these 2 companies!!!
And if you reed me correctly you'll see that I've said since the beginning of this post that MEA hiring new pilots was a very good thing for all the Lebanese young pilots looking for a job. I know these guys will accept the job and they'd be fools to refuse it!
They are not complaining about these cost simply because they don't have the choice.
No matter what people think or say, I find these costs utterly abusive! Specially for a National carrier. As if printing some papers will help MEA financially.
ODGUY:
Agreed 100%. But and that's just a guess, if you are Lebanese without another passport in hand, I think your chances of finding a job in another country are pretty slim unfortunately.
MEA knows this and are talking advantage of this situation.
One last thing... From what I read on different posts, Menajet salaries are around US$2500. MEA less than US$2000. Not saying that money is the only issue in choosing a job but the salary MEA is offering for these new pilots is extremely low!
Having said all this, best of luck to the applicants
I know you guys will be very proud of flying for MEA!!!
Cheers!
DII
It is partly a cost issue but also a selection issue, If the candidate is sure of his/her qualifications and potential he'll not worry of the costs...
The only companie that I can think of making candidates pay for the selections is Ryanair. And believe me the last think I want to do is to compare these 2 companies!!!
And if you reed me correctly you'll see that I've said since the beginning of this post that MEA hiring new pilots was a very good thing for all the Lebanese young pilots looking for a job. I know these guys will accept the job and they'd be fools to refuse it!
They are not complaining about these cost simply because they don't have the choice.
No matter what people think or say, I find these costs utterly abusive! Specially for a National carrier. As if printing some papers will help MEA financially.
ODGUY:
they will apply somewhere where you don't have to use your money to get in
MEA knows this and are talking advantage of this situation.
One last thing... From what I read on different posts, Menajet salaries are around US$2500. MEA less than US$2000. Not saying that money is the only issue in choosing a job but the salary MEA is offering for these new pilots is extremely low!
Having said all this, best of luck to the applicants
I know you guys will be very proud of flying for MEA!!!
Cheers!
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Hello all,
just attended the initial interview with MEA and here is what i got to say:
1- there are some 33 applicants
2- MEA wants to hire as many people they can get yet they need to pass the selection.
3- for those of you outside lebanon and have lived overseas be ready for lots paperwork that will take time.
4- candidates will need to pay for their type ratings once selected.
5- pay during training (4 months) will be symbolic then is between 2000 to 2500 after line release.
Best of luck to all those that want it that bad.
just attended the initial interview with MEA and here is what i got to say:
1- there are some 33 applicants
2- MEA wants to hire as many people they can get yet they need to pass the selection.
3- for those of you outside lebanon and have lived overseas be ready for lots paperwork that will take time.
4- candidates will need to pay for their type ratings once selected.
5- pay during training (4 months) will be symbolic then is between 2000 to 2500 after line release.
Best of luck to all those that want it that bad.
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Concordino:
Out of interest, what does the initial interview concist of?
Have they started interviewing yet? Thought the deadline for the applicants was 13th of August according this threat.
Can somebody tell me (cause I have no clue) how do you live in Lebanon with 2000 to 2500 (US$ I guess)?
Cheers!
DII
Out of interest, what does the initial interview concist of?
Have they started interviewing yet? Thought the deadline for the applicants was 13th of August according this threat.
Can somebody tell me (cause I have no clue) how do you live in Lebanon with 2000 to 2500 (US$ I guess)?
Cheers!
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Ok, so one has to pay for his type rating, how much is that?? Not a walk in the park... They need as many people as possible, good to know, but only 33 candidates!!! hard to believe...Concordino, how are these candidates qualifications? Does a guy with a CPL, IR only bear a chance? Was there any testing after that initial interview, and what was that interview about? I have phoned them and it seems anyone can just take an appointment to show up for an interview. I'm a little confused...and if I choose to go, how long should I stay at first?
Thanks for your time Concordino,
Yalla ciao
Thanks for your time Concordino,
Yalla ciao
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ok so here is the deal:
-pay for the selection tests
-pay for your type rating
-symbolic pay for a few months
-$2000 afterwards
This is sad and pathetic, especially coming from a flag carrier!! I have no doubt they will get candidates given the current job situation but I would be wary of working for a company that shows so little regard for new hires...
Good luck to all.
-pay for the selection tests
-pay for your type rating
-symbolic pay for a few months
-$2000 afterwards
This is sad and pathetic, especially coming from a flag carrier!! I have no doubt they will get candidates given the current job situation but I would be wary of working for a company that shows so little regard for new hires...
Good luck to all.
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Hello Chaps,
the deadline of the 13th is just to be here and submit your papers etc...
it does though look like an informal interview as you meet with Capt.Balaa and he does ask some questions.
After the 13th all those that interest them will be contacted to undergo the real selection.
From what i gather the selection will last till at least end of September .This will consist of further medical tests, group and individual interviews as well as a sim check abroad to check the IR skills.
from what i gather there are some A320 rated guys which brings me to Canileb's point.
If there are people holding an A320 rating and wanting to come to MEA there sure is something worth it down the line.
the deadline of the 13th is just to be here and submit your papers etc...
it does though look like an informal interview as you meet with Capt.Balaa and he does ask some questions.
After the 13th all those that interest them will be contacted to undergo the real selection.
From what i gather the selection will last till at least end of September .This will consist of further medical tests, group and individual interviews as well as a sim check abroad to check the IR skills.
from what i gather there are some A320 rated guys which brings me to Canileb's point.
If there are people holding an A320 rating and wanting to come to MEA there sure is something worth it down the line.
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Thanks for the info concordino...
But then, why do people have to go there in person since it's not THE selection? I mean can't they just find a CV with copies of licences etc...?
Since you seem to be in Beirut, what's the cost of living there?
I mean 2000.- seems very low like canileb mentionned but I think these guys have a rent to pay. What kind of flat can you afford with such a bad salary?
Oh... Just another question...
Candidated have to pay for their rating. Ok fine... But will they be bonded?
Is MEA going to pay back the rating?
What's the salary increase per year?
And do the canditates have to pay for the simulator abroad? Seems to be loads of money for a very low salary..
What about plane ticket to get there?
Oops sorry.. Just realised that it was more than one question
All in all, like I said it and said it. It's good news for Lebanese pilots looking for a job. Hope all of them will get the job
Just a bit disapointed with MEA's attitude!!!
Cheers!
DII
But then, why do people have to go there in person since it's not THE selection? I mean can't they just find a CV with copies of licences etc...?
Since you seem to be in Beirut, what's the cost of living there?
I mean 2000.- seems very low like canileb mentionned but I think these guys have a rent to pay. What kind of flat can you afford with such a bad salary?
Oh... Just another question...
Candidated have to pay for their rating. Ok fine... But will they be bonded?
Is MEA going to pay back the rating?
What's the salary increase per year?
And do the canditates have to pay for the simulator abroad? Seems to be loads of money for a very low salary..
What about plane ticket to get there?
Oops sorry.. Just realised that it was more than one question
All in all, like I said it and said it. It's good news for Lebanese pilots looking for a job. Hope all of them will get the job
Just a bit disapointed with MEA's attitude!!!
Cheers!
DII
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Concordio & Cedarjet,
I do not want to start a debat but the info you're giving might somehow be innacurate...I know that rumors in Lebanon get deformed from one person to another...
Maybe your source is more reliable than mine...but I doubt it very much since all my source sit on the selection committee...
So, for the sake of every interested person, lets try and see who has the real stuff...Again, I repeat, it might not be me...
Cheers,
Flag
I do not want to start a debat but the info you're giving might somehow be innacurate...I know that rumors in Lebanon get deformed from one person to another...
Maybe your source is more reliable than mine...but I doubt it very much since all my source sit on the selection committee...
So, for the sake of every interested person, lets try and see who has the real stuff...Again, I repeat, it might not be me...
Cheers,
Flag
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Hello Flag,
Don't know what you meant in your post, but the info I posted and the one reported by Concordino does not conflict, and we don't need to do any explaining.
It's not a competition to post insider info....
As you are connected to all the selection comitee, you could have clarified in your post all the information relevant to the selection
Don't know what you meant in your post, but the info I posted and the one reported by Concordino does not conflict, and we don't need to do any explaining.
It's not a competition to post insider info....
As you are connected to all the selection comitee, you could have clarified in your post all the information relevant to the selection
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Hi,
I will clarify...And I'm not joking when I'm expressing my concern...
I was told by 3 sources:
- 32 years old minimum
- Must have the Military Service completed (Exeptions made)
- ICAO CPL- MIFR or ATPL
- Ability to obtain LAA licenses
- English/French/Arabic
- Only 8 (maybe 10) positions available
- Test only for people who do not meet all requirements
- Interview with committee
- Cadet training will be running at the end of this year for people with 0 time...
Cedarjet, I know you think that I'm just trying to start something here but for me, it's a way to discuss what I was told and maybe find out what the real requirements are...You know, even when I'm told things by important lebanese people, I have learned to challenge...
If you doubt what I'm saying, ask Smurfjet and he'll tell you if I do or not know people on the board...!
Cheers mate,
I will clarify...And I'm not joking when I'm expressing my concern...
I was told by 3 sources:
- 32 years old minimum
- Must have the Military Service completed (Exeptions made)
- ICAO CPL- MIFR or ATPL
- Ability to obtain LAA licenses
- English/French/Arabic
- Only 8 (maybe 10) positions available
- Test only for people who do not meet all requirements
- Interview with committee
- Cadet training will be running at the end of this year for people with 0 time...
Cedarjet, I know you think that I'm just trying to start something here but for me, it's a way to discuss what I was told and maybe find out what the real requirements are...You know, even when I'm told things by important lebanese people, I have learned to challenge...
If you doubt what I'm saying, ask Smurfjet and he'll tell you if I do or not know people on the board...!
Cheers mate,
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Hello Flag,
Your info, the info posted by Concordino and mine are all the same. Only we are getting abit more details as time is going on.
I doubt there is a limit on 8 to 10 empty posts to be filled.
It is more a question that only 8 to 10 applicants fulfill all the requirements and have a good chance.
MEA needs more than 10 pilots, and they will take as much as they can (who meet the MEA requirements). That's why the Cadet Scheme is starting again in DEcember-January as they need to hire more pilots.
Your info, the info posted by Concordino and mine are all the same. Only we are getting abit more details as time is going on.
I doubt there is a limit on 8 to 10 empty posts to be filled.
It is more a question that only 8 to 10 applicants fulfill all the requirements and have a good chance.
MEA needs more than 10 pilots, and they will take as much as they can (who meet the MEA requirements). That's why the Cadet Scheme is starting again in DEcember-January as they need to hire more pilots.
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Hello CJ,
You know, there is something very strange regarding the salary. 2 Years ago, I had a conversation re: the $$ and the starting pay was US$ 6000 /month - the training fees.
It is true that MEA went through restructuring but I think they went from one extreme to the other...
I can't understand the 2000$/month crap...6K seemed low at the time because some of the on board captains were making Multiple 6 figures...
And now they drop it to below 3K...Unless you're planning to live in Leb, I can't see how applicants will be interested...
You don't fly enough at MEA to justify being there...So forget about the I'll get the time and move on...
Dissapointing all around for me...
Thoughts on that?
Cheers
You know, there is something very strange regarding the salary. 2 Years ago, I had a conversation re: the $$ and the starting pay was US$ 6000 /month - the training fees.
It is true that MEA went through restructuring but I think they went from one extreme to the other...
I can't understand the 2000$/month crap...6K seemed low at the time because some of the on board captains were making Multiple 6 figures...
And now they drop it to below 3K...Unless you're planning to live in Leb, I can't see how applicants will be interested...
You don't fly enough at MEA to justify being there...So forget about the I'll get the time and move on...
Dissapointing all around for me...
Thoughts on that?
Cheers
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Does anyone know what sort of schedule New hires are on?
I mean in terms of time On & Off...! I have gotten to know some MEA & TMA pilots living abroad...Is that possible for new hires?
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I mean in terms of time On & Off...! I have gotten to know some MEA & TMA pilots living abroad...Is that possible for new hires?
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