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Old 4th Aug 2004, 07:58
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Oh Dear,Doctor Evil you seem to be just a touch resentful.Could this indicate that you are another slightly concerned Gulf Air pilot?
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Old 4th Aug 2004, 09:17
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Bugs Bunny,yes they do need pilots.Do you have a German Passport?It certainly helps,especially if you are looking for a speedy upgrading.
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Old 5th Aug 2004, 07:24
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Hi guys

Now there's another ad both on their site & Flight international.The reason why the previous one removed was the closing date being 31 July 2004.Now there's a new closing date 4/11/2004.This time they listed also the benefits.

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Old 5th Aug 2004, 07:35
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This time they listed also the benefits.
... which are pretty bad ...
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Captain [Fligh Ops] Closing Date: 4/11/2004
Department : Flight Operations Location : Abu Dhabi

Description : Join the Arabian Gulf’s most exciting new airline and tour operator Just over an hour down the coast from Dubai is the Capital of the United Arab Emirates, Abu Dhabi which is now the home to Etihad Airways.



The national airline of the UAE. Etihad Airways is a full service 3-cabin airline using the latest generation of Airbus A-330/A340 aircraft and has been created to meet the rapidly growing demand for high quality air services. Middle East routes have been launched now and early next year the network will expand to destinations in Europe, the Far East and beyond.



We are seeking flight deck crew to join our operation – preference will be given to applicants who can offer immediate availability. We are seeking suitably qualified Captains who are type rated on the Airbus A330/A340.





Qualifications
& Experience: Minimum 3000 hours on Jet with at least 500 in command on A330/A340





Salary
& Benefits: The total package will include the following:

• Tax free income.



• Basic $5300 to $6700
• Allowance per duty day of $191.
• Housing allowance.
• Educational subsidize
• Medical insurance
• End of service benefits
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Old 6th Aug 2004, 16:12
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So if you average 17 duty days, the starting whack would be:

Captain between $8500-$9900 plus the benefits.
F/O $5800 -$6700

Emirates currently pay $4600 for an F/O and $7200 for a Captain. Without looking at the exact packages it is difficult to accurately compare which provides the most buying (saving) power but up to an extra $2200 has got to be food for thought for potential candidates for the sandpit. Once the promotion sitch becomes clearer, the Etihad expansion might put a giant wrench in the EK works.


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Old 6th Aug 2004, 16:19
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No Overtime. (Captains averaging 90-100 hours/month)
No loss of license insurance.
No per diems.
No travel allowance.
Housing allowance well below what is needed.
Education allowance a joke.
Days off assigned while away on layovers.

"SEE HOW WE SHINE"
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Old 7th Aug 2004, 09:51
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I here the Chief Pilot is Captain Werner Borchert from LTU. Has anybody got a contact number for him?
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Old 7th Aug 2004, 12:04
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Heard of him have you?and still want to work for ETIHAD!What are you brave or desperate?
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Old 7th Aug 2004, 17:34
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Wallflower,
I have only heard the name, enlighten me on the rest of the story.
I'm not desperate, I just think it's a good time to explore the pilot market and if you find a good deal, jump ship!
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Old 8th Aug 2004, 09:30
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Ok, so George you dont work for Etihad i assume, because if you did i'm not sure where the basis of your post came from, you must be working a diferent roster to me!
Yes you do work kinda hard here, we are growing and just like EK are a little light on numbers, hence the adverts, and yes more housing money would be good, but you can get a good 3 bed place for the f/o money if you look, yes no overtime, but still we earn more than most with our duty pay, so it takes the edge off. As for loss of licence again true, we dont have it from the company but we as a group will soon have a policy which we will pay for ourselves(horror!) but if you get a little extra it's not a problem.
Now there can only be 2 reasons you annoyed, either you work for another gulf carrier and you dont like getting less cash, or your not rated and just cant get it, either way nobody is forcing you or anyone to join, just chill and enjoy yourself more.
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Old 8th Aug 2004, 16:38
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Heard all pilots in ETIHAD get the Laptop. Wow!!!!
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Old 8th Aug 2004, 23:56
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Enough A'bus rated available?

Doubt they will be able to find the numbers they need.
Soon the requirement for type rate will be dropped and the package will be improved as well.
Market forces will start playing in our team now...finally!

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Old 9th Aug 2004, 22:32
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Market forces will start playing in our team now...finally!
I read the above and then looked out of my hotel window to see a pig flying by! How long have we all waited for the terms and conditions to improve when the supposed pilot shortage arrives?
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Old 11th Aug 2004, 14:46
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This is in response to the Ladies/Gentlemen that think Emirates, Etihad & Qatari are doing better than GF, I agree yes they do have pockets full of money and they are splashing out like there is no tomorrow, but I think the majority of you lot are forgetting an important fact. I personally have mentioned it before on this site however it seems to me that you lot are either ignorant of this fact or just chose to turn a blind eye to it.
I’m sure by now you are all waiting in anticipation to read about this fact!!! Well the fact is WORLD TRADE ORGANISTION, there is something called “UNFAIR COMPETITION” it is happening in US and Europe and it sure is starting here, slowly but surely. In fact rumor has it that certain flag carrier has already started complaining to the EU about Emirates but they are dragging their heels until, the A380 is successfully launched. ; very soon they will be limiting traffic rights to those that are not complying(I should right fully hope so); soon there will be no such thing as; NO LANDING FEES, FREE/HALF PRICE FUEL, AND ULIMITED INTERST FREE LOANS.
GF is now being run commercially, despite all the short falls and hard work, we have been getting pay rises and improved benefits, and we’ll hang in there, InshaAllah thing will get better and better.

He, who laughs last, laughs most (so the English say, excuse a foreigner, like me).

With love, Hish
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Old 12th Aug 2004, 11:27
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Now forgive me, but are you saying that we should all pay the same for fuel? Maybe we should pay the same for our car petrol as we do in europe too, oh and lets all pay income tax, or is that not why we live here and not there so that we have a little advantage?
The American carriers have been getting looked after since 9/11, GF have been bailed out for years, and hopefully you are turning it around, but if you are its a little rich to come on here now saying that others should fall behind you so that you dont slip up once again, welcome to the real world my friend. If your good enough you'll be fine!
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Old 13th Aug 2004, 04:54
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I think you better go and find out more about world trade organization and unfair competition, rather than make sarcastic comments. Or maybe you should wait until the tide comes and meets you.
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Old 13th Aug 2004, 17:23
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Now Tristar, the only problem with this forum is that its full of GF folks defending there position against the "tide" of EY, EK and QR.
Now yes GF have changed a little in the last few years, but be honest they needed to, for the first 40 years it was you and nobody else, then EK came along and within a few years and passed you by, then QR came along and whilst they may have the odd problem in house(who doesn't!) their product passed you by too, and now EY are coming, removing their money from GF and will also pass you by.
The unfair competition you go on about has been happening in Europe for years, look at Air France and Alitalia to start with, then look at the US/ Euopean situation. Life has never been fair, and if you look at the big picture, the biggest players generally get their way, thats just economics.
I cant work out if your bitter because you dont get it, or bitter because you do and just dont like it?
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Old 13th Aug 2004, 18:54
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Big Bus Boy

I’m not bitter I’m Stating facts, it seems that you are very bitter and have a grudge against GF.
In your case I think you should wait until the tide comes and meets you.
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Ok, just to be sure, I'm not bitter either, honest. I am happy where i am, I think there is room for one and all, just maybe in a slightly different format. As for the tide you mention, i really dont see that at all.
Think, who has the most oil? correct, the gulf states, who pushes the oil price up and down? correct, the gulf states, and there it is, the gulf states do have quite a big tool to put pressure on the WTO and anyone else, it has nothing to do with waiting til the A380 is lanched.
Still i'll wait here and look for the tide to come in.
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