Emirates' pilot statistics speak themselves
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Emirates selection is based on the quotient system pioneered by Wing Commander Pimpledon-symthe as follows
IQ intelligence quotient
FSQ Flying skill quotient
SSQ social skills quotient
AQ arsey quotient
Its a points system except where AQ is conserned whereby it is pass or fail.
Alby , if you did well alround then you do the math.
IQ intelligence quotient
FSQ Flying skill quotient
SSQ social skills quotient
AQ arsey quotient
Its a points system except where AQ is conserned whereby it is pass or fail.
Alby , if you did well alround then you do the math.
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Albatross, please re-read your own quotes before criticising a fellow PPRuNer for their inadequate grasp of Her Majesty's language.
Mind you, I do smell a bit of a wag here as quotes such as 'the world's most select club, i.e. Emirates' cockpit crew' (corrected for grammar) are laughable at best.
With the recruitment of one certain individual recently, Emirates have definately maintained their status as an equal opportunities employer!
Mind you, I do smell a bit of a wag here as quotes such as 'the world's most select club, i.e. Emirates' cockpit crew' (corrected for grammar) are laughable at best.
With the recruitment of one certain individual recently, Emirates have definately maintained their status as an equal opportunities employer!
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Perhaps I have not made my self very clear........so I will try my best to do so.
When I said: 'Would I really want to fly with this guy, and would I be prepared to let ALL of our crew members fly with him? Will he be good for the company?'...
...I was talking from a CRM point of view, not a 'social compatability' one.
Your arguements do seem, from my perspective, just a little like 'toys-out-of-the-cot' syndrome.
Apart from that you seem a well balanced individual.....chips on both shoulders!
Added after looking at other threads on this forum
Interesting scan through some of the other threads in this forum to see that you posted on the DEC thread and wrote:
<Quote: Interesting reading and insight into the EMIRATES' mindset.
If you care to comment on a similar topic please do visit:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showth...threadid=127104
Happy landings. Unquote>
If you had read this thread before coming for the interview, would you have come at all as you obviously don't like the 'Emirates mindset'? It seems to me that you think it is all a global conspiracy that you weren't given the job and want to rake up any old racial prejudices to prove your point.
GROW UP!
Perhaps I have not made my self very clear........so I will try my best to do so.
When I said: 'Would I really want to fly with this guy, and would I be prepared to let ALL of our crew members fly with him? Will he be good for the company?'...
...I was talking from a CRM point of view, not a 'social compatability' one.
Your arguements do seem, from my perspective, just a little like 'toys-out-of-the-cot' syndrome.
Apart from that you seem a well balanced individual.....chips on both shoulders!
Added after looking at other threads on this forum
Interesting scan through some of the other threads in this forum to see that you posted on the DEC thread and wrote:
<Quote: Interesting reading and insight into the EMIRATES' mindset.
If you care to comment on a similar topic please do visit:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showth...threadid=127104
Happy landings. Unquote>
If you had read this thread before coming for the interview, would you have come at all as you obviously don't like the 'Emirates mindset'? It seems to me that you think it is all a global conspiracy that you weren't given the job and want to rake up any old racial prejudices to prove your point.
GROW UP!
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Thank you for your voluntary but encouraging assessment of my personality. I have not taken the Emirates' Psychometric test and can't say it endorses your views.
In the mean time I have been going through the Emirates Pilot Meeting thread and with every reading I am puzzled. The set or group of Emirates' pilots that are vociferously defending and advancing arguments here in favour of ethics and high morals within the Emirates pilot fraternity and the EK demographics representative of "first world" standards, when it comes to dollars and cents go overboard spewning venom for the company.
Shame SIR shame.
Please do not forget that it is Emirates that has given you all a job and sustains you, and you only do yourself great dis-service by washing your dirty linen in public.
I and many others may have serious reservations about some rogue elements within EK Fleet and recruitment but diatribes against your own employer is viewed as unsavoury.
Please allow me to refresh your memory by quoting from your post on 28 Feb,2004 in Emirates Pilot Meeting thread.
" Gentlemen, our esteemed EVPE&FO asked us to keep this news off Prune as it is a private issue and not for public consumption.
Well tough . I think it important that those 3000 pilots wanting to join know exactly what they're letting themselves in for if they join..............For those of you out there who think that Emirates is going to look after you and give you a good career, please think again. The management view is that you joined on your contract but it is so loose that they can change the terms of that contract and we have no comeback or representation to help air our views.
You may believe that the grass is greener over here, but with some flight deck dusting off their CVs you should get an idea of you are in for should you join."
Is your CV dusted and with the courier?
How many chips on your shoulders?
Cheers!
Thank you for your voluntary but encouraging assessment of my personality. I have not taken the Emirates' Psychometric test and can't say it endorses your views.
In the mean time I have been going through the Emirates Pilot Meeting thread and with every reading I am puzzled. The set or group of Emirates' pilots that are vociferously defending and advancing arguments here in favour of ethics and high morals within the Emirates pilot fraternity and the EK demographics representative of "first world" standards, when it comes to dollars and cents go overboard spewning venom for the company.
Shame SIR shame.
Please do not forget that it is Emirates that has given you all a job and sustains you, and you only do yourself great dis-service by washing your dirty linen in public.
I and many others may have serious reservations about some rogue elements within EK Fleet and recruitment but diatribes against your own employer is viewed as unsavoury.
Please allow me to refresh your memory by quoting from your post on 28 Feb,2004 in Emirates Pilot Meeting thread.
" Gentlemen, our esteemed EVPE&FO asked us to keep this news off Prune as it is a private issue and not for public consumption.
Well tough . I think it important that those 3000 pilots wanting to join know exactly what they're letting themselves in for if they join..............For those of you out there who think that Emirates is going to look after you and give you a good career, please think again. The management view is that you joined on your contract but it is so loose that they can change the terms of that contract and we have no comeback or representation to help air our views.
You may believe that the grass is greener over here, but with some flight deck dusting off their CVs you should get an idea of you are in for should you join."
Is your CV dusted and with the courier?
How many chips on your shoulders?
Cheers!
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Albatross2004, Obviously there are alot of diverse opinions expressed on Pprune but seldom have I seen more incoherent and rambling posts as yours. I don't think YOU know what point you are trying to make. The only impression I am left with is that you are p****d off with someone or something but I am unclear as to what precisely
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You state that you have attended the interview but not completed the Psychometric tests, but have completed the sims. I understand, but am willing to be corrected on this, that the Psych test are completed before the sim rides, usually on day 2 of the interview? So how come the mix up?
I don't think that any of those who have posted any items on this thread have made any arguements in favour of ethics or high morals. Most of us, from my reading of these posts, are defending the company from an external attack on the colour demographics of the pilot population from someone who thinks that, having attended the interview, they have a god given right to employment.
Yes Emirates does pay me a salary, but not one that could be considered sustaining as I have had to use a fair portion of my savings since moving here. As I believe others have had to if you read all the posts in that thread.
And as far as my 'spewing venom' at the company, it is the only way to let all Emirates Wannabes what they are letting themselves in for should they decide to join. HOWEVER, I am able to make this judgement from INSIDE the company, so at least my knowledge of what happened, and my arguements on which I make my points have a slightly firmer foundation than those you seem to be making.
If I can put it any simpler I will be gald to try, but I think this could be considered a reasoned arguement.
However, you will probably disagree with me, eh Albatross?
You state that you have attended the interview but not completed the Psychometric tests, but have completed the sims. I understand, but am willing to be corrected on this, that the Psych test are completed before the sim rides, usually on day 2 of the interview? So how come the mix up?
I don't think that any of those who have posted any items on this thread have made any arguements in favour of ethics or high morals. Most of us, from my reading of these posts, are defending the company from an external attack on the colour demographics of the pilot population from someone who thinks that, having attended the interview, they have a god given right to employment.
Yes Emirates does pay me a salary, but not one that could be considered sustaining as I have had to use a fair portion of my savings since moving here. As I believe others have had to if you read all the posts in that thread.
And as far as my 'spewing venom' at the company, it is the only way to let all Emirates Wannabes what they are letting themselves in for should they decide to join. HOWEVER, I am able to make this judgement from INSIDE the company, so at least my knowledge of what happened, and my arguements on which I make my points have a slightly firmer foundation than those you seem to be making.
If I can put it any simpler I will be gald to try, but I think this could be considered a reasoned arguement.
However, you will probably disagree with me, eh Albatross?
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I bet all those Emirates' Spoilt Brats that were seen cribbing on Emirates' Pilot Meeting thread are scrambling over there to edit their posts 
Atleast my friend wagtail23 has stepped down from the high altar
of morality and ethics, good show old chap
Oh one more thing. For the record NO I have not attended the Emirates' interview and YES it is a fine company to work for, provided those few who have made it a cool retreat for themselves and occupy positions exercise their priveleges as a trust and demonstrate tolerance, when sitting upon judgement during the recruitment process.
I am upset at the double standards. A few of my colleagues, with unblemished professional credentials have been deliberately blackballed
Why the shroud of secrecy regarding assessment feedbacks other than the Psychometrics? Let the selection process be transparent and the complete result told to the candidates, to put an end to controversial assessments (food for thought).
Atleast my friend wagtail23 has stepped down from the high altar
of morality and ethics, good show old chap
Oh one more thing. For the record NO I have not attended the Emirates' interview and YES it is a fine company to work for, provided those few who have made it a cool retreat for themselves and occupy positions exercise their priveleges as a trust and demonstrate tolerance, when sitting upon judgement during the recruitment process.
I am upset at the double standards. A few of my colleagues, with unblemished professional credentials have been deliberately blackballed
Why the shroud of secrecy regarding assessment feedbacks other than the Psychometrics? Let the selection process be transparent and the complete result told to the candidates, to put an end to controversial assessments (food for thought).
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Removed as a result of being threatened with a horribe end by the original Meester Feesh!!
Come on, I was only having a joke, mate!
Come on, I was only having a joke, mate!
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"AS for ek as an organization well i'll be long gone before the arabs tire of me."
What makes you think that your Generous Hosts the Arabs and Emirates are not already tired of you and the likes of you?
Where and how do you see yourself fit into your "first world" scheme of things, obviously away from the Oasis wherefrom you take your comfort yet abhor its bounty?
You have no qualms crying out loud that your allegiance to the company, neither is nor will be.
The racial overtones in your posts, strengthen the thrust of my argument that some Emirates' pilots subscribe to racial prejudice while cleverly taking refuge behind the diluted ethnic diversity within the community.
Pardon my saying so, if and when you decide to leave Emirates, it will be good riddance.
Emirates purge thyself.
"AS for ek as an organization well i'll be long gone before the arabs tire of me."
What makes you think that your Generous Hosts the Arabs and Emirates are not already tired of you and the likes of you?
Where and how do you see yourself fit into your "first world" scheme of things, obviously away from the Oasis wherefrom you take your comfort yet abhor its bounty?
You have no qualms crying out loud that your allegiance to the company, neither is nor will be.
The racial overtones in your posts, strengthen the thrust of my argument that some Emirates' pilots subscribe to racial prejudice while cleverly taking refuge behind the diluted ethnic diversity within the community.
Pardon my saying so, if and when you decide to leave Emirates, it will be good riddance.
Emirates purge thyself.
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Congratulations on the nice work in the form of Outer Marker, the quarterly magazine of Emirates' Flight Operations Department, which I found both informative and entertaining. Being no literary critic I'll suffice by saying that reading the magazine was an overall satisfying experience for me.
The magazine is not restricted for internal distribution within Emirates, as your editorial in the subject issue says "But although we have adopted a more corporate look, which is essential when one considers that the Outer Marker is distributed to other carriers worldwide.......".
I am afraid I cannot subscribe to your contention regarding copyright. The information and material contained therein is for general consumption. Therefore, your argument for removal of the excerpt from the magazine, which I have placed in my lead post, stands rebutted.
I agree that a single recruitment sample does not completely reflect the demographic representation, but it definitely coveys the trend. So for the sake of authenticity, you may provide the full demographic representation within Emirates flight deck crew, as the data is available to you. Your cooperation in this regard is solicited in order for the controversial recruitment ethics of some EK training and standard appointees under discussion here, to be seen from a more accurate perspective.
I have never insinuated that Emirates practices a racially discriminatory hiring policy. What I have been saying all along is that there exists a rogue element within Emirates’ recruitment loop. This rogue element, it appears, is at variance with Emirates' equal opportunity policy and the recruitment results of successful candidates and the demographic trend from Outer Marker substantiate the observation.
I appreciate your concern that some on the outside may have a misplaced view that Emirates is a racist company. Nevertheless, if the rogue recruitment element is left unchecked and unfettered then it will be safe to assume that it has Emirates' tacit approval. It is hoped that you and your colleagues, that are interested in seeing the highest standards of service in all spheres being synonymous with Emirates, will leave no stone unturned to correct recruitment misreporting and willful disregard of company policies. This is imperative if Emirates is to be worthy of all the accolades and awards.
Happy flying.
Congratulations on the nice work in the form of Outer Marker, the quarterly magazine of Emirates' Flight Operations Department, which I found both informative and entertaining. Being no literary critic I'll suffice by saying that reading the magazine was an overall satisfying experience for me.
The magazine is not restricted for internal distribution within Emirates, as your editorial in the subject issue says "But although we have adopted a more corporate look, which is essential when one considers that the Outer Marker is distributed to other carriers worldwide.......".
I am afraid I cannot subscribe to your contention regarding copyright. The information and material contained therein is for general consumption. Therefore, your argument for removal of the excerpt from the magazine, which I have placed in my lead post, stands rebutted.
I agree that a single recruitment sample does not completely reflect the demographic representation, but it definitely coveys the trend. So for the sake of authenticity, you may provide the full demographic representation within Emirates flight deck crew, as the data is available to you. Your cooperation in this regard is solicited in order for the controversial recruitment ethics of some EK training and standard appointees under discussion here, to be seen from a more accurate perspective.
I have never insinuated that Emirates practices a racially discriminatory hiring policy. What I have been saying all along is that there exists a rogue element within Emirates’ recruitment loop. This rogue element, it appears, is at variance with Emirates' equal opportunity policy and the recruitment results of successful candidates and the demographic trend from Outer Marker substantiate the observation.
I appreciate your concern that some on the outside may have a misplaced view that Emirates is a racist company. Nevertheless, if the rogue recruitment element is left unchecked and unfettered then it will be safe to assume that it has Emirates' tacit approval. It is hoped that you and your colleagues, that are interested in seeing the highest standards of service in all spheres being synonymous with Emirates, will leave no stone unturned to correct recruitment misreporting and willful disregard of company policies. This is imperative if Emirates is to be worthy of all the accolades and awards.
Happy flying.
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One of the better wind ups I have seen for a while. Well done Alby!
Anyway, as I hear it Dragonair is seen as preferable place to work these days. Can you go over to the FH forums and join in with Hong Xing - sure you two will get on great
Anyway, as I hear it Dragonair is seen as preferable place to work these days. Can you go over to the FH forums and join in with Hong Xing - sure you two will get on great
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Thank you.
I'm sure there is still some breath left in this thread.
Let us hope for everybody's sake, Emirates included, that those responsible heed the facts told here and take the appropriate steps to correct the deliberate recruitment mis-reporting by EK rogue elements.
Thank you.
I'm sure there is still some breath left in this thread.
Let us hope for everybody's sake, Emirates included, that those responsible heed the facts told here and take the appropriate steps to correct the deliberate recruitment mis-reporting by EK rogue elements.
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No posts about any heads rolling at Emirates. No news about withdrawal of management positions and or supervisory assignments.
Alas! the rogue element in Emirates' recruitment loop is carrying on with unjustified blackballing of suitable candidates.
Alas! the rogue element in Emirates' recruitment loop is carrying on with unjustified blackballing of suitable candidates.
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I would be obliged if you can confirm and tell me if for the past few months I was banned from logging on to pprune.
If that be the case please do let me know the reason for such a ban.
I definitely could not log in previously.(maybe I p**sed some big shot moderator! for what or why beats me...so much for free speech).
I would be obliged if you can confirm and tell me if for the past few months I was banned from logging on to pprune.
If that be the case please do let me know the reason for such a ban.
I definitely could not log in previously.(maybe I p**sed some big shot moderator! for what or why beats me...so much for free speech).
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No memory of any banning Albat. Welcome back - I'm sorry if your access was restricted.
Banning or restricted access occurs as the result of serious misdemeanors or repeated violations of common-sense conventions that are observed on this forum.
Can we get back to the subject now please? If you've got any more correspondence in this regard please PM me.
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Banning or restricted access occurs as the result of serious misdemeanors or repeated violations of common-sense conventions that are observed on this forum.
Can we get back to the subject now please? If you've got any more correspondence in this regard please PM me.
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I have never transgressed the four corners of decorum in my posts. Regarding the restriction/banning I have put that behind me. It probably was one of the other moderators.
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Thanks for the insight into the Emirates British management and its captive local owners.
I have never transgressed the four corners of decorum in my posts. Regarding the restriction/banning I have put that behind me. It probably was one of the other moderators.
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Thanks for the insight into the Emirates British management and its captive local owners.
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Albatross - better write and tell me a little story.
While composing you should consider this. The site is run on industrial strength unix - every single event is recorded. Every keystroke and action - the lot.
You have never written on any other forum. Why would it cross the mind of any other mod on the site to 'ban' you? Are you confusing usernames that you might have gotten you into trouble elsewhere????
If you were banned someone must have suddenly unbanned you for you to post - that is not the case. Have you reloaded your operating sytem, browser or altered privac y /firewall software settings?
If you were banned when did you work this out and how many times did you write to us regarding sorting it out between April and the present date? (Remember what I said about the unix bit and our records though.)
If you write I'll be asking you about cookies stored on your machine. As an example if using two usernames or more the inexperienced computer user can effectively ban one of their identities unknowingly. Essentially we are looking at cockup versus conspiracy.
If banned why on earth would we unban you and allow you to start posting again? While not wishing to crush you or your ego with unkindness, everyone had forgotten you existed until you revived the thread yourself.
We are not shy. Cap 56 knows he only operates here under the strictest of supervision by me or Danny. We sign with our own real names. Have a think about the foregoing and then write to me - for the first time.
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While composing you should consider this. The site is run on industrial strength unix - every single event is recorded. Every keystroke and action - the lot.
You have never written on any other forum. Why would it cross the mind of any other mod on the site to 'ban' you? Are you confusing usernames that you might have gotten you into trouble elsewhere????
If you were banned someone must have suddenly unbanned you for you to post - that is not the case. Have you reloaded your operating sytem, browser or altered privac y /firewall software settings?
If you were banned when did you work this out and how many times did you write to us regarding sorting it out between April and the present date? (Remember what I said about the unix bit and our records though.)
If you write I'll be asking you about cookies stored on your machine. As an example if using two usernames or more the inexperienced computer user can effectively ban one of their identities unknowingly. Essentially we are looking at cockup versus conspiracy.
If banned why on earth would we unban you and allow you to start posting again? While not wishing to crush you or your ego with unkindness, everyone had forgotten you existed until you revived the thread yourself.
We are not shy. Cap 56 knows he only operates here under the strictest of supervision by me or Danny. We sign with our own real names. Have a think about the foregoing and then write to me - for the first time.
Regards from the Towers
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