Emirates dec...whites only?
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Greetings...
On a slightly different note, maybe jonlei has some thoughts on why airlines like Air China, Korean etc have a requirement for expat DECs in the first place? 777 capts in SQ, etc...
Do you really want an answer to your probing jonlei?
Do you really want an answer to your probing jonlei?
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So Caviar, you are white! It's not really a great surprise that you didn't get much further than you did due to the quality of your written English.
Perhaps a litte more time and thought would have served you well.
Perhaps a litte more time and thought would have served you well.
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The poor guy is getting gang raped for raising a possible valid issue here. Heard of many rumors (yes, no "u") in regards to EK's hiring practice. Not the first time I heard anything like this either. Interesting. Just watching from the sideline folks, not going there, already have a nice job, ooh, and the dreaded blue passport.
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jonlei..
i tottally agree with u budy. Whats happening in Emraites is exactly what happened in Cathay. The Brits secured themselves there, bringing in the aussies,kiwis etc.
Guys in this forum are 90% white and not being an asian dont see and dont have to go through the same problem asians, africans for that matter any coloured person face to get an aviation job outside their country of origin..
It is very easy for the rest to say that we are mad, simply racist or someone who wants to intice an argument, but thats is not true.
Simple fact is the white man got it good and thats whats happening in emirates. yes emirates has many races but its changeing. when i am up in the air and i hear an emirates call sign 95% of the time its a brit,aussie,kiwi,canadian acsent.
so guys accept the truth an when one day you are up there in the hiring comittee, dont forget give the best man the chance and dont look at colour please
Cheers
Wilco77
i tottally agree with u budy. Whats happening in Emraites is exactly what happened in Cathay. The Brits secured themselves there, bringing in the aussies,kiwis etc.
Guys in this forum are 90% white and not being an asian dont see and dont have to go through the same problem asians, africans for that matter any coloured person face to get an aviation job outside their country of origin..
It is very easy for the rest to say that we are mad, simply racist or someone who wants to intice an argument, but thats is not true.
Simple fact is the white man got it good and thats whats happening in emirates. yes emirates has many races but its changeing. when i am up in the air and i hear an emirates call sign 95% of the time its a brit,aussie,kiwi,canadian acsent.
so guys accept the truth an when one day you are up there in the hiring comittee, dont forget give the best man the chance and dont look at colour please
Cheers
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So let me get this straight, Wilco… Emirates is racist and unfair, but you’d still like a job there. Have I got it right?
I have rarely read a bigger load of cobblers in my life than what’s been alleged by jonlei and Wilco77 on this thread. EK has just about the most UNracist employment policy I’ve seen in my life. It has interviewed many and accepted a few pilots from just about every race AND creed (including the creed you might expect an Arab airline not to employ). Many have missed out at differing stages of the Emirates interview process for many and varied reasons, but race is certainly not one of them. One look at the EK pilot group would prove that to be true.
I have rarely read a bigger load of cobblers in my life than what’s been alleged by jonlei and Wilco77 on this thread. EK has just about the most UNracist employment policy I’ve seen in my life. It has interviewed many and accepted a few pilots from just about every race AND creed (including the creed you might expect an Arab airline not to employ). Many have missed out at differing stages of the Emirates interview process for many and varied reasons, but race is certainly not one of them. One look at the EK pilot group would prove that to be true.
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Thanks Croozin,
I've really had it with this slanderous thread. In fact I really think that it should be 'locked'.
It's fine to criticize EK, but racism is just ridiculous. Even a tertiary review of management reveals obvious international diversity.
Honestly, this is where internet posters should be held accountable for their libelous public remarks. To call someone, even a company, "racist" is an ugly slur and must not be taken lightly.
I've really had it with this slanderous thread. In fact I really think that it should be 'locked'.
It's fine to criticize EK, but racism is just ridiculous. Even a tertiary review of management reveals obvious international diversity.
Honestly, this is where internet posters should be held accountable for their libelous public remarks. To call someone, even a company, "racist" is an ugly slur and must not be taken lightly.
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Glad to see the last two posts are getting the message across. EK is probably the most culturally diverse organisation I've ever come across. I believe there are over 60 (?) nationalities working for the group now. There are pockets of the group where some nationalities are there in greater numbers but that's just the way it goes sometimes. Management is very varied in nationality and rightly so they are encouraging more and more Nationals to seek senior positions, perhaps more exposure for them globally would be advantageous. That's a recruitment decision and not one for me to make.
How anyone can say EK is whites only has obviously never been to an EK office anywhere in the world or flown on an EK aircraft.
Get a life guys and if you can't make the grade go else where that may want you.
How anyone can say EK is whites only has obviously never been to an EK office anywhere in the world or flown on an EK aircraft.
Get a life guys and if you can't make the grade go else where that may want you.
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Here here, anyone just has to look at EK briefing office ( now the TBF is yet another story in itself ) at 2am or 6am and see the diverse amount of "COLOURS". Black, grey, red, oh that "ugly" white colour, yellow, blackish/whiteish. Sorry there's that WHITE word again that some dont like.
Oh goodness, a family member has just walked in and their bloody WHITE. How on earth has this happened. !!!!
Oh goodness, a family member has just walked in and their bloody WHITE. How on earth has this happened. !!!!
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Pretty soon a white guy is going to say he never got hired because of affirmative action. For those who are blaming their lifes shortfalls on the color of their skin I say get a life and if you don't get the job then try try again.
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Thought I’d put the allegation that started this thread to the test in the simplest way that came to mind – by trolling back through my log book for the last month or two to see what the nationalities were of the FOs I flew with.
Here’s the result of my ‘straw poll’ (ohmigosh! Is ‘straw’ a Politically Correct colour, or is it a shade too white for some?)
Australian
Kiwi
Malaysian
English
Austrian
Indian
Australian
UAE National
UAE National
Scot (he shoot me if I said ‘English’)
UAE National
English
Kiwi
UAE National
UAE National
UAE National
Italian
Swiss
Irish
Austrian
Swede
South African
Jamaican
Brazilian
Norwegian
South African (who, as Croozin mentions above, is quite open about being Jewish.)
Samoan
What’s of particular interest as I troll through those names is how many of them have got their commands in the last few months, some of them still in their early or mid thirties.
If I went back a little further, I could add Papua New Guinean, Zimbabwean, Namibian, Greek, Jugoslav (take your pick of Serbian, Croatian or Bosnian), Chinese, Nepalese, Algerian, Moroccan, Egyptian, Jordanian, Turkish, Canadian, American, Kenyan and Czech. We even had some Afghans in the early days. There are others with near unpronounceable names whose nationality I can only guess at.
On other threads here you’ll see that all is not currently sweetness and light at EK. However, for all the faults EK management may or may not have, it cannot be said that they in any way shape or form discriminate over the colour of the skin when it comes to employing pilots or other staff. In fact, people in the recruiting team inform me that they are under instruction to go to some pains to ensure they get as wide a spread of nationalities as they can, which is to the detriment of ‘white’ applicants, who, thanks to the parlous state of the Industry in Australasia and Canada, make up the majority of applicants by far.
If you didn’t make it through all the hoops in the EK recruitment circus, you were found to be unsuitable in some department or other, be it experience, personality or motor/flight management skills (in the sim). That’s not to say you are necessarily inferior to those who are successful, only that you do fit the profile EK has chosen to insist on for their pilots. However, I can assure you with absolute certainly that the colour of your skin had absolutely no bearing on your success or failure.
I’m making a wild surmise here, but it has to be said in closing that EK probably would discriminate against an applicant who turned up with an Israeli passport – but as has been mentioned above, there are a number of Jewish pilots in the company who hold other passports, and I’m not aware of them suffering any discrimination in day to day life or in promotion. EK also hasn’t employed any female expat pilots (despite having had some very high standard female applicants), which is a pity. (They did have a female UAE National enter the cadet scheme around ten years ago, but she did not complete the course.) I’ve heard of a number of reasons why they’ve decided not to employ females, none of which make any sense to me. But as has been said on other threads, it’s their train set…
Here’s the result of my ‘straw poll’ (ohmigosh! Is ‘straw’ a Politically Correct colour, or is it a shade too white for some?)
Australian
Kiwi
Malaysian
English
Austrian
Indian
Australian
UAE National
UAE National
Scot (he shoot me if I said ‘English’)
UAE National
English
Kiwi
UAE National
UAE National
UAE National
Italian
Swiss
Irish
Austrian
Swede
South African
Jamaican
Brazilian
Norwegian
South African (who, as Croozin mentions above, is quite open about being Jewish.)
Samoan
What’s of particular interest as I troll through those names is how many of them have got their commands in the last few months, some of them still in their early or mid thirties.
If I went back a little further, I could add Papua New Guinean, Zimbabwean, Namibian, Greek, Jugoslav (take your pick of Serbian, Croatian or Bosnian), Chinese, Nepalese, Algerian, Moroccan, Egyptian, Jordanian, Turkish, Canadian, American, Kenyan and Czech. We even had some Afghans in the early days. There are others with near unpronounceable names whose nationality I can only guess at.
On other threads here you’ll see that all is not currently sweetness and light at EK. However, for all the faults EK management may or may not have, it cannot be said that they in any way shape or form discriminate over the colour of the skin when it comes to employing pilots or other staff. In fact, people in the recruiting team inform me that they are under instruction to go to some pains to ensure they get as wide a spread of nationalities as they can, which is to the detriment of ‘white’ applicants, who, thanks to the parlous state of the Industry in Australasia and Canada, make up the majority of applicants by far.
If you didn’t make it through all the hoops in the EK recruitment circus, you were found to be unsuitable in some department or other, be it experience, personality or motor/flight management skills (in the sim). That’s not to say you are necessarily inferior to those who are successful, only that you do fit the profile EK has chosen to insist on for their pilots. However, I can assure you with absolute certainly that the colour of your skin had absolutely no bearing on your success or failure.
I’m making a wild surmise here, but it has to be said in closing that EK probably would discriminate against an applicant who turned up with an Israeli passport – but as has been mentioned above, there are a number of Jewish pilots in the company who hold other passports, and I’m not aware of them suffering any discrimination in day to day life or in promotion. EK also hasn’t employed any female expat pilots (despite having had some very high standard female applicants), which is a pity. (They did have a female UAE National enter the cadet scheme around ten years ago, but she did not complete the course.) I’ve heard of a number of reasons why they’ve decided not to employ females, none of which make any sense to me. But as has been said on other threads, it’s their train set…
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410,
Great post
Shame i don´t see a Portuguese there, could it be discrimination against the Portuguese pilots
now im only joking 
Racism i don´t think so. The failure of some, is the success of others.
Great post
Shame i don´t see a Portuguese there, could it be discrimination against the Portuguese pilots
now im only joking Racism i don´t think so. The failure of some, is the success of others.
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Well folks I think the point has been made. This topic has become an Emirates promotion sight.
Time to move on. If they havn't worked it out by now they never will.
NT
Time to move on. If they havn't worked it out by now they never will.
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An EK promotion site is probably not a bad thing at present given the amount of slagging off it has received on this forum over recent weeks. For all of its faults there are also good sides to be looked at.
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Bubbette, please give over, you are beginning to sound like a stuck record, surely there are other topics of conversation you can contribute towards? Try, you might find it will broaden your horizon and maybe people will start taking you seriously.
Happy New Year all, may 2004 be very good to all of you, including you Bubette.
Couldn't agree more with you AutoAbort - there are a lot of really good people here, people that I feel privelliged to call friends. (excluding management of course(
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Regards,
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Happy New Year all, may 2004 be very good to all of you, including you Bubette.
Couldn't agree more with you AutoAbort - there are a lot of really good people here, people that I feel privelliged to call friends. (excluding management of course(
)Regards,
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