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I think i may have seen you in there today
Well I was told that everything was fine throughout the whole medical. At the very end, in the final review of my application form, He ran through the medical questions (history of etc etc) all of which I ticked 'No' to. Then pops up on the computer, something about the light asthma I had when I was 13 for a short period (details from my class 2, or access to medical records??). So a futher test was needed, and I had to do the car park run. On the second spirometry reading of the extra test(bearing in mind the original i'd done a few hours before, i'd been told was fine) I was slightly wheezy (I'd had a bad cough a few days before, something i'd also told them).
So, they wouldn't issue the Class 1 until I receive treatment for Asthma, and repeat a spirometry test. My Class 2 is still valid.
So, Slightly cheesed off, but it seems like I can still make it through. Anybody else had a similar sort of exprience? And has anybody any advice for helping with astma etc
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I think i may have seen you in there today
Well I was told that everything was fine throughout the whole medical. At the very end, in the final review of my application form, He ran through the medical questions (history of etc etc) all of which I ticked 'No' to. Then pops up on the computer, something about the light asthma I had when I was 13 for a short period (details from my class 2, or access to medical records??). So a futher test was needed, and I had to do the car park run. On the second spirometry reading of the extra test(bearing in mind the original i'd done a few hours before, i'd been told was fine) I was slightly wheezy (I'd had a bad cough a few days before, something i'd also told them).
So, they wouldn't issue the Class 1 until I receive treatment for Asthma, and repeat a spirometry test. My Class 2 is still valid.
So, Slightly cheesed off, but it seems like I can still make it through. Anybody else had a similar sort of exprience? And has anybody any advice for helping with astma etc
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Hey there! I was the black-haired guy looking absolutely petrified and totally out of depth!
The end exam was definitley the most uncomfortable part for me.
i totally appreciate their concern but i every time i felt i'd said somethin wrong or forgotten about somethin in the past.
Thought a lie detector test was going to come out.
sorry to hear of the asthma issue. i'm guessing its up to you and your gp to make things right now?
The end exam was definitley the most uncomfortable part for me.
i totally appreciate their concern but i every time i felt i'd said somethin wrong or forgotten about somethin in the past.
Thought a lie detector test was going to come out.
sorry to hear of the asthma issue. i'm guessing its up to you and your gp to make things right now?
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I've basically got to get treatment for my 'asthma', and it should improve my spirometry results.
Pretty bad timing really, I need to seriously consider training schools, and let my college know about which one i'm planning on joining etc, but I don't want to start arranging visits until this is over with.
Should have been in this situation 3 years ago before I started, and completed my PPL, but there we go!
Heres to a month of fighting asthma, and passing the medical.
All the best with your plans!
Pretty bad timing really, I need to seriously consider training schools, and let my college know about which one i'm planning on joining etc, but I don't want to start arranging visits until this is over with.
Should have been in this situation 3 years ago before I started, and completed my PPL, but there we go!
Heres to a month of fighting asthma, and passing the medical.
All the best with your plans!
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if you can sort it in a month then that really isn't that long for something thats going to play a major factor in your career.
maybe speak to your college and still look at schools explaining your situation.
won't comment on the asthma condition but if you've been told there's a high chance of it being improved then you're laughing right? as long as somethin can be fixed...
Good luck
maybe speak to your college and still look at schools explaining your situation.
won't comment on the asthma condition but if you've been told there's a high chance of it being improved then you're laughing right? as long as somethin can be fixed...
Good luck
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I also vouch for the Allan Carr bok. I smoked for 30 years, never felt any ill effects or had any dramas keeping my class 1 but was starting to get wrinkles and horrible grey skin tone. (Vanity!) Then I was up for a wisdom tooth extraction and the haematologist said I had to quit because of the drugs I had to take for slow blood clotting or they wouldn't operate; and my toothache was indescribable.
I didn't feel "ready" to quit, but read the Allan Carr book and never smoked again. That was 13 months ago.
One tip: DONT use nicoteine replacement therapy. The book says not to but I did, I had some of the inhaler things and I was going nuts. Stopped them and it was all much easier. You have to do it the way the book says.
I still like to stand downwind of smokers, love the smell, miss it when I'm stressed; but no desire whatsoever to stick one in my mouth and light it.
I didn't feel "ready" to quit, but read the Allan Carr book and never smoked again. That was 13 months ago.
One tip: DONT use nicoteine replacement therapy. The book says not to but I did, I had some of the inhaler things and I was going nuts. Stopped them and it was all much easier. You have to do it the way the book says.
I still like to stand downwind of smokers, love the smell, miss it when I'm stressed; but no desire whatsoever to stick one in my mouth and light it.
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I agree it is very tough to quit, the biggest thing is times of frustration and periods of inactivity.
Breaking the nicotine hit is the biggest hurdle i found.
Nicorette inhalator, try it. it helped me give me up overnight, ONCE i had decided on it. After two days of using them, i just couldn't even look at a cigarette.
Also the Future Mrs. Wayne works in Cardiology so stopping the continual GBH of the ears was a huge incentive too!
Honestly its all been said a millions time before so i wont bore you with the platitudes and pseudo support. Break the nicotine addiction with a supplement, the inhalator also gives you the hand occupation supplement too.
The other thing is look at your licence, think of what it has cost you to obtain it, and compare it to a pack of smokes.
You've made the decision to quit. Thats the step you need to take; you're already on the way to being a non smoker.
I agree it is very tough to quit, the biggest thing is times of frustration and periods of inactivity.
Breaking the nicotine hit is the biggest hurdle i found.
Nicorette inhalator, try it. it helped me give me up overnight, ONCE i had decided on it. After two days of using them, i just couldn't even look at a cigarette.
Also the Future Mrs. Wayne works in Cardiology so stopping the continual GBH of the ears was a huge incentive too!
Honestly its all been said a millions time before so i wont bore you with the platitudes and pseudo support. Break the nicotine addiction with a supplement, the inhalator also gives you the hand occupation supplement too.
The other thing is look at your licence, think of what it has cost you to obtain it, and compare it to a pack of smokes.
You've made the decision to quit. Thats the step you need to take; you're already on the way to being a non smoker.
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Thats an interest conflict of advice.
One time i've managed to quit for 3 days using patches and inhalor. The nicotine withdrawal side effects were not somethin i wanted.
that was at the height of my smoking days though being jobless and socialising with drink.
So smoking was the last thing i wanted to lose in my life.
Is there not a danger of actually being addicted to the inhilator though? Don't get me wrong i'd prefer it, but being so dependent on something isn't it switching one habit to another?
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Thats an interest conflict of advice.
One time i've managed to quit for 3 days using patches and inhalor. The nicotine withdrawal side effects were not somethin i wanted.
that was at the height of my smoking days though being jobless and socialising with drink.
So smoking was the last thing i wanted to lose in my life.
Is there not a danger of actually being addicted to the inhilator though? Don't get me wrong i'd prefer it, but being so dependent on something isn't it switching one habit to another?
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Indeed it is, however different methods work for different people. i stopped a few years ago just by going cold turkey. i started again on the morning of sept 11, 2001 watching the TV. I had quit for 2 years.
Anyway thats an aside.
The medical problems associated with cigarette smoking are significant as is the damage to the lungs. Future Mrs. Wayne will gladly expound the damage to lungs and cardiovascular systems for you better than i ever will.
If you have done 3 days, then you have made a start, but something has caused you to revert back.
Stress, irritation, frustration, boredom... ???
The effects of withdrawal of nicotine from the system of a smoker can be significant.
Personally, this time around I tried patches and also zyban, the patches worked to replace the nicotine but was left fiddling with may hands a lot. Zyban dealt with the mood swing effect.
Yes I use the inhalator. it gave me the replacement for smoking as a break, however, smoking is what causes the damage, its easier to wean yourself off of the inhalators and the nicotine input when you are repulsed by smoking, the smell the damage to the body of inhaling carcinogens.
Thats if you do find yourself using them as a replacement for a cigarette.
The upshot is.. find what works for YOU.
Advice of don't do this or that is pretty much pointless. if sticking your head in a bowl of cold water stops you from having a cigarette, then do it.
For me, i tried a couple of different methods that worked for other people and didn't work for me. I went out bought a pack of inhalators, haven't smoked since. I do keep one on me and if the occasion arises that i would have one, like after a pub lunch, or sitting in traffic on the motorway, it works and i have no desire for a cigarette.
uh huh. But one'll kill ya, the other wont ! 
You know what.. your doing fine. At this point, you have made the decision to give up. That's obvious, you started this thread about quitting, you're just trying to find the most effective way.
You've broken the psychological dependence, now it's just the physiologocal dependence.
Good for you. you'll do it.
Anyway thats an aside.
The medical problems associated with cigarette smoking are significant as is the damage to the lungs. Future Mrs. Wayne will gladly expound the damage to lungs and cardiovascular systems for you better than i ever will.
If you have done 3 days, then you have made a start, but something has caused you to revert back.
Stress, irritation, frustration, boredom... ???
The effects of withdrawal of nicotine from the system of a smoker can be significant.
Personally, this time around I tried patches and also zyban, the patches worked to replace the nicotine but was left fiddling with may hands a lot. Zyban dealt with the mood swing effect.
Yes I use the inhalator. it gave me the replacement for smoking as a break, however, smoking is what causes the damage, its easier to wean yourself off of the inhalators and the nicotine input when you are repulsed by smoking, the smell the damage to the body of inhaling carcinogens.
Thats if you do find yourself using them as a replacement for a cigarette.
The upshot is.. find what works for YOU.
Advice of don't do this or that is pretty much pointless. if sticking your head in a bowl of cold water stops you from having a cigarette, then do it.
For me, i tried a couple of different methods that worked for other people and didn't work for me. I went out bought a pack of inhalators, haven't smoked since. I do keep one on me and if the occasion arises that i would have one, like after a pub lunch, or sitting in traffic on the motorway, it works and i have no desire for a cigarette.
Don't get me wrong i'd prefer it, but being so dependent on something isn't it switching one habit to another?
You know what.. your doing fine. At this point, you have made the decision to give up. That's obvious, you started this thread about quitting, you're just trying to find the most effective way.
You've broken the psychological dependence, now it's just the physiologocal dependence.
Good for you. you'll do it.
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the 3 days was more like 2.
can't function without that morning coffee and its accomplice and i just cracked.
i felt i was also overdoing the inhilator and at that point realised i was way too weak to give up. My willpower was shameless.
i also tried Champix but the nausea was cruel. might try those again.
yes the change of lifestyle is a massive point. the morning coffee, watching tv, long journeys....
the general word given here is that you have to want to quit and i believe thats true.
as is everyone having their methods.
a friend of mine on 20 a day woke up one morning and just stopped. wtf?
thanks so much for the words though. Its great to hear from people who've been there
can't function without that morning coffee and its accomplice and i just cracked.
i felt i was also overdoing the inhilator and at that point realised i was way too weak to give up. My willpower was shameless.
i also tried Champix but the nausea was cruel. might try those again.
yes the change of lifestyle is a massive point. the morning coffee, watching tv, long journeys....
the general word given here is that you have to want to quit and i believe thats true.
as is everyone having their methods.
a friend of mine on 20 a day woke up one morning and just stopped. wtf?
thanks so much for the words though. Its great to hear from people who've been there
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w2k24, we're all obviously better off not smoking than smoking but let's have some perspective on this.
If you quit entirely, it means a weight gain of 5 to 8 kg.
If you use patches or nicotine chewing gum, your chances of quitting are about 11%.
There is acupuncture but, as others here point out, like with other techniques, you need the mindset, or determination, to quit. Otherwise put it on the backburner until you've solved other more pressing inner issues with yourself.
In conversaiton wtih a lama who is a traditional Tibetan physician, he said that up to five cigarettes a day may be a good thing.
Mao Zedong, Zhou Enlai and Ho Chi Minh are but three five-pack-a-day smokers who lived to ripe old ages.
The issue is not smokng per se, but tar and nicotine as two industrial molecules among others that we ingest daily. There is something called potentialization, whereby the cumulative effect of Molecule A + Molecule B is far greater than the simple sum of their individual effects because they develop synergy. So add ciggies to the electromagnetic radiation from your cockpit and industrial cleaning liquids in the cabin or friendly neighbourhood cellphone tower AND TO your wife's (or husband's) favourite air freshener and your aftershave/perfume, and the cocktail gets really potent.
Nobody really wants to investigate this somehow.
The alarming thing about this anti-smoking neurosis is that it becomes just one more tool of dividing folks among each other. In its extreme form, there is the hype about second hand smoke being worse than the first hand version. To issue such a startling assertion, the FDA had to lower the threshold of statistical significance because otherwise it would have had nothing to say. Even more absurdly, it forces a reader to conclude that, if s/he has to live in a smokers' environment, the only way of reducing lung cancer risks is... to become a first hand smoker.
Another alarming thing is that it makes smokers a lightning rod for fears about pollution that also comes from motor vehicles, production plants and, um, military/aircraft. How many packs a minute would it take to pollute as much as a heavy motor vehicle in a day?
By the way, the risk of emphysema is greater than that of lung or throat cancer.
If you quit entirely, it means a weight gain of 5 to 8 kg.
If you use patches or nicotine chewing gum, your chances of quitting are about 11%.
There is acupuncture but, as others here point out, like with other techniques, you need the mindset, or determination, to quit. Otherwise put it on the backburner until you've solved other more pressing inner issues with yourself.
In conversaiton wtih a lama who is a traditional Tibetan physician, he said that up to five cigarettes a day may be a good thing.
Mao Zedong, Zhou Enlai and Ho Chi Minh are but three five-pack-a-day smokers who lived to ripe old ages.
The issue is not smokng per se, but tar and nicotine as two industrial molecules among others that we ingest daily. There is something called potentialization, whereby the cumulative effect of Molecule A + Molecule B is far greater than the simple sum of their individual effects because they develop synergy. So add ciggies to the electromagnetic radiation from your cockpit and industrial cleaning liquids in the cabin or friendly neighbourhood cellphone tower AND TO your wife's (or husband's) favourite air freshener and your aftershave/perfume, and the cocktail gets really potent.
Nobody really wants to investigate this somehow.
The alarming thing about this anti-smoking neurosis is that it becomes just one more tool of dividing folks among each other. In its extreme form, there is the hype about second hand smoke being worse than the first hand version. To issue such a startling assertion, the FDA had to lower the threshold of statistical significance because otherwise it would have had nothing to say. Even more absurdly, it forces a reader to conclude that, if s/he has to live in a smokers' environment, the only way of reducing lung cancer risks is... to become a first hand smoker.
Another alarming thing is that it makes smokers a lightning rod for fears about pollution that also comes from motor vehicles, production plants and, um, military/aircraft. How many packs a minute would it take to pollute as much as a heavy motor vehicle in a day?
By the way, the risk of emphysema is greater than that of lung or throat cancer.
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whoah.
Now that is a perspective.
Its nowhere near your extent but i know whilst trying to give up, the mind grabs actual advantages of smoking in order to try and weigh up the pain of quitting.
other than that i'm stuck for a response for that.
refreshing post for someone who enjoys the cig with no intention..
Now that is a perspective.
Its nowhere near your extent but i know whilst trying to give up, the mind grabs actual advantages of smoking in order to try and weigh up the pain of quitting.
other than that i'm stuck for a response for that.
refreshing post for someone who enjoys the cig with no intention..
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how to quit smoking in 20 days
hello everyonei am 26 years old and i started smoking at 19 and to tell you the truth i smoked 25 cigeretes a day...but i got my 1 class medical in germany..to know how just read the rest .....
i stoped smoking just like that ..i thought to myself it is enough and than i started a challanging experience..i went swimming every day for 1- 1,5 hours..and when i say swimming i dont mean staying in water and appreciating the nice bikinis but swimming according to a tough programme :
-30 min Breaststroke the speed doesnt matter at first (espacially after 5-10 years poison) i know it sounds crasy but believe me once you made it you will be able to do it every day
-5 min rest
-5 to 10 min freestyle with a pullboy between your legs
-5 min rest
-10 to15 min legs workout...use a board and do so like you are swimming freestyle
-5min rest
-5 to 10 min freestyle at this point you will most probebly release mucus and that is goooooooooood
dont forget to drink water (no cola) at least 3-4 L a day
back to your everyday behaviour ..try to eat healthy as much as possible..which means only vegetables and beans ..try a good fish ...a good turkey steak ..but please avoid fat..it makes you feel like you need a cigarette..AND BY NO MEAN ALCOHOL there is a good french saying ´ L´ alcool appele le tabac which means the alcohol makes you smoke more...and i am sure you know what i mean ... avoid smokers (friends).....if you keep living that way ..you will see that your body dont like the cigarette any more...yeah ok its right there is some iron will involved.....but believe me once you see how goood you do feel and how you are another person in bed with your lady
even in alldays live like catching the bus....even your smell....your skin gets better,,your teeth...actually everything my grandpa was involved in World war2 and he didnt get killed by a bullet but by that
cigarette...so take your decision ....still questions?..feel free to pm me the best of luck....
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I'm really trying to quit myself but I've fallen off the wagon several times, folks around me said I was very cranky and intolerant during my hiatus but I'll keep trying and just keep them away next time
I know that it is sooo hard but don't give up it will be worth it
I know that it is sooo hard but don't give up it will be worth it
As one who works on the inside, I can say, with hand on heart, that the only way to prevent yourself falling ill from the majority of the stuff that will eventually lay us to rest, is
a)choose better parents
b)stop smoking
We (health care professionals), enjoy fiddling round the edges, but , in all truth, we make little difference to the quality and quantity of life.
As an (ex) tabber, I can relate to the frustration of things. In all truth, the only thing that is going to stop you smoking, is you, yourself.
Good luck though. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that if you don't succeed you'll never succeed. Simply not true.
a)choose better parents
b)stop smoking
We (health care professionals), enjoy fiddling round the edges, but , in all truth, we make little difference to the quality and quantity of life.
As an (ex) tabber, I can relate to the frustration of things. In all truth, the only thing that is going to stop you smoking, is you, yourself.
Good luck though. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that if you don't succeed you'll never succeed. Simply not true.
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Someone once said to me “You smell like an ashtray” He did me a favour. I stopped smoking.
You can smell a smoker from the stink on his/her clothes from 2 metres away but smokers don’t realise that, as they live with the stink. Their houses, and cars, smell the same.
You can smell a smoker from the stink on his/her clothes from 2 metres away but smokers don’t realise that, as they live with the stink. Their houses, and cars, smell the same.
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Champix - side effects
Have quit for nearly a year now by using Champix. Never thought I would
Only side effects I had was three days of Nausea. Waves lasting several hours but strangly, it went as soon as it came. Small price to pay!
Friends of mine have experienced differing side effects ranging from none to constipation and depression (How nice!)
Just think though. is it worth it?
I asked myself this question.
Q. Would I give my son a cigarette?
A. No
Then why am I smoking?
You gotta want to do it though, no half hearted measures. Just gotta work out how to lose the weight gain. Guess it means getting off the sofa from time to time!
My advice - stick with it
Only side effects I had was three days of Nausea. Waves lasting several hours but strangly, it went as soon as it came. Small price to pay!
Friends of mine have experienced differing side effects ranging from none to constipation and depression (How nice!)
Just think though. is it worth it?
I asked myself this question.
Q. Would I give my son a cigarette?
A. No
Then why am I smoking?
You gotta want to do it though, no half hearted measures. Just gotta work out how to lose the weight gain. Guess it means getting off the sofa from time to time!
My advice - stick with it
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Champix
Use of this medication (Champix) by pilots and ATCOs has never been permitted by the UK CAA due to concerns about its psychomotor side effects
See: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1859/SRG_Med-Notification_Index.pdf
Also banned by the FAA !
See: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1859/SRG_Med-Notification_Index.pdf
Also banned by the FAA !
Está servira para distraerle.
Bladder cancer is an entertaining little side show. Smoking is the number one cause. TCCs (transitional cell carcinomas) can appear anywhere in the urinary system from bladder to kidney and even the troubled prostate. It seems as though this cancer can manifest itself many years after the cessation of smoking. It's almost as common now in women as in men and can be directly tracked to smoking trends. It's what is known as a field change disease which means that TCCs can and will arise at any time for years after the initial diagnosis and treatment. This makes bladder cancer virtually incurable and leads to the necessity for a cystoscopy every six months or so for the rest of the individual's life.