VISION THREAD (other than colour vision)
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Ok, thanks very much for your post, it helped a lot. Looking at the amount of text in it it seems like you spent quite a bit of time doing it so i'm grateful for that. Thanks!
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FAA Option
To apply for an FAA issued medical certificate:
1. Download FAA Form 8500-7;
2. Have an examination with an eye doctor, and request they completely and legibly complete the 8500-7; and
3. Bring the completed 8500-7 along with you, when you have an examination by an FAA designated Aviation Medical Examiner (AME).
The AME will submit your examination findings and eye evaluation report to Aerospace Medical Certification Division (AMCD).
If you otherwise meet medical standards, the AMCD will likely issue a student pilot and medical certificate with the limitation “Valid for Student Pilot Privileges Only,” and authorize a Medical Flight Test (MFT).
If you demonstrate the ability to safely operate the aircraft during the MFT, the AMCD will likely issue a “Statement of Demonstrated Ability” (SODA) and medial certificate.
Please see:
http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8500-7.pdf
Guide for Aviation Medical Examiners<br>Decision Considerations
Guide for Aviation Medical Examiners<br>Application Process for Medical Certification
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1. Download FAA Form 8500-7;
2. Have an examination with an eye doctor, and request they completely and legibly complete the 8500-7; and
3. Bring the completed 8500-7 along with you, when you have an examination by an FAA designated Aviation Medical Examiner (AME).
The AME will submit your examination findings and eye evaluation report to Aerospace Medical Certification Division (AMCD).
If you otherwise meet medical standards, the AMCD will likely issue a student pilot and medical certificate with the limitation “Valid for Student Pilot Privileges Only,” and authorize a Medical Flight Test (MFT).
If you demonstrate the ability to safely operate the aircraft during the MFT, the AMCD will likely issue a “Statement of Demonstrated Ability” (SODA) and medial certificate.
Please see:
http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8500-7.pdf
Guide for Aviation Medical Examiners<br>Decision Considerations
Guide for Aviation Medical Examiners<br>Application Process for Medical Certification
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Do you intend on going Commercial?
If so then you might as well go for a Class 1 from the outset - to be sure you CAN get one come the point of starting commercial once you've done private flying...
It would be a nightmare to find out that you can gain a class 2 - complete your private training then apply for a class 1 and realise you cannot get one!
You will have to go to Gatwick for your initial (assuming you are in UK)
I've been through it all in the last year with Medical - where I failed Class 1 due to astigmatism (-3.75)
I had this corrected by lasik in March 2008 and gained my Class 1 in June 2008
From your prescription details They don't seem too bad - the figures seem to be within CAA limits for VA..... obviously they will need you to see 6/9 or better in each eye individually and 6/6 with both together.
If you need glasses to achieve this then it is acceptable.
Reply here or PM me for more information about my experiences
Do you intend on going Commercial?
If so then you might as well go for a Class 1 from the outset - to be sure you CAN get one come the point of starting commercial once you've done private flying...
It would be a nightmare to find out that you can gain a class 2 - complete your private training then apply for a class 1 and realise you cannot get one!
You will have to go to Gatwick for your initial (assuming you are in UK)
I've been through it all in the last year with Medical - where I failed Class 1 due to astigmatism (-3.75)
I had this corrected by lasik in March 2008 and gained my Class 1 in June 2008
From your prescription details They don't seem too bad - the figures seem to be within CAA limits for VA..... obviously they will need you to see 6/9 or better in each eye individually and 6/6 with both together.
If you need glasses to achieve this then it is acceptable.
Reply here or PM me for more information about my experiences
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Hi All,
My left eye is ok (+2) but it's within limits but my right eye was said to be +5/+5.25 but after a second shot i was able to read the 6/9 line.
Would you think this was dodgy? My local doctor who is an AME gave me my class 2 but he wasn't able to say whether or not I would get the class 1.
What do you think? Also, if I went to an ophthamologist and he said I was fine, gave the results and a cover letter would I still have the tests in Dublin for the class 1 for the eye done again or would they look at the letter and say "ok"??
All feedback will be gkladly appreciated.
Fireoff
My left eye is ok (+2) but it's within limits but my right eye was said to be +5/+5.25 but after a second shot i was able to read the 6/9 line.
Would you think this was dodgy? My local doctor who is an AME gave me my class 2 but he wasn't able to say whether or not I would get the class 1.
What do you think? Also, if I went to an ophthamologist and he said I was fine, gave the results and a cover letter would I still have the tests in Dublin for the class 1 for the eye done again or would they look at the letter and say "ok"??
All feedback will be gkladly appreciated.
Fireoff
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Hi
First of all - with all the fraud thats going on in the world there is no way a Regulatory Body who grants Medical Certification is going to just look at somebody's letter and say "OK" and give a Class 1 Based on that alone... they would have to test you themselves too..... what's to say you weren't in collusion with your AME and had paid him to say you were ok...... then you crashed the plane because your eye sight wasn't up to standard??
I'm not for one minute suggesting you would do that but my point is that to safeguard themselves from litigation the authority would do their own tests!
With regards to your 6/9 reading ability after a second shot... you would probably need to be able to prove it on your first shot to get through a CAA medical - you won't get a second shot at seeing traffic in the air!!!
I believe the limits is +6 therefore you may just be within limits...... have a look at the authority website medical / eye sight requirements to be sure.
J
First of all - with all the fraud thats going on in the world there is no way a Regulatory Body who grants Medical Certification is going to just look at somebody's letter and say "OK" and give a Class 1 Based on that alone... they would have to test you themselves too..... what's to say you weren't in collusion with your AME and had paid him to say you were ok...... then you crashed the plane because your eye sight wasn't up to standard??
I'm not for one minute suggesting you would do that but my point is that to safeguard themselves from litigation the authority would do their own tests!
With regards to your 6/9 reading ability after a second shot... you would probably need to be able to prove it on your first shot to get through a CAA medical - you won't get a second shot at seeing traffic in the air!!!
I believe the limits is +6 therefore you may just be within limits...... have a look at the authority website medical / eye sight requirements to be sure.
J
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Many thanks for that.
I think it would be wise maybe to go and see the IAA's ophthamologist 1st before doing the whole class 1 and failing and paying a couple hundred more.
I looked and the regulations for long-sighted are +5 so if I was +5 and on the border will they pass me?....im not outside but i am on the limit?
I think it would be wise maybe to go and see the IAA's ophthamologist 1st before doing the whole class 1 and failing and paying a couple hundred more.
I looked and the regulations for long-sighted are +5 so if I was +5 and on the border will they pass me?....im not outside but i am on the limit?
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They may well pass you -
THe problem is that when you have an eye test you have one reading... then if another optician did it again 5 mins later you would no doubt be around 0.25 different in prescription..... and again 5 mins later there would be a change again.....
What I did was had to book the full Medical......... and ask for the eye test FIRST so that if i failed I would get a refund for the bits i didnt have done... However i DID fail but was advised to carry on for the full medical to make sure i could pass the rest with no problems before getting my eyes sorted....
I had told them i was considering LASER SURGERY although it is against their recommendation...... so what they said was "If you are going to go ahead with laser surgery its your choice we cannot guarantee a medical for you at the end of it....but would it not be wise then to have the full medical now incase you spend on correcting your eye only to come back and fail medical on something you did not otherwise know about...."
I thought this was them trying to gain the extra cash from me... but it does make sense!!
JON
THe problem is that when you have an eye test you have one reading... then if another optician did it again 5 mins later you would no doubt be around 0.25 different in prescription..... and again 5 mins later there would be a change again.....
What I did was had to book the full Medical......... and ask for the eye test FIRST so that if i failed I would get a refund for the bits i didnt have done... However i DID fail but was advised to carry on for the full medical to make sure i could pass the rest with no problems before getting my eyes sorted....
I had told them i was considering LASER SURGERY although it is against their recommendation...... so what they said was "If you are going to go ahead with laser surgery its your choice we cannot guarantee a medical for you at the end of it....but would it not be wise then to have the full medical now incase you spend on correcting your eye only to come back and fail medical on something you did not otherwise know about...."
I thought this was them trying to gain the extra cash from me... but it does make sense!!
JON
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Yes and Yes.....
BUT i had laser surgery for ASTIGMATISM .... NOT myopia!
My Refraction was only -1.75 so well within the limits.... however my astigmatism as -3.75... limit was 2.00
The reason HIGH myopia patients aren't granted Medicals is due to the risk of Retinal Detachment..... a Very Short Sighted person's risk of the retina becoming detached is high due to the shape of the eye....
Having laser surgery although would correct the vision would NOT remove / eradicate the risk of retinal detachment..... and this is why the CAA say that they would still base decisions on the PRE operative refraction results in some cases where it was high......
It is not always the fact that you can see with correction that is important.
JON
BUT i had laser surgery for ASTIGMATISM .... NOT myopia!
My Refraction was only -1.75 so well within the limits.... however my astigmatism as -3.75... limit was 2.00
The reason HIGH myopia patients aren't granted Medicals is due to the risk of Retinal Detachment..... a Very Short Sighted person's risk of the retina becoming detached is high due to the shape of the eye....
Having laser surgery although would correct the vision would NOT remove / eradicate the risk of retinal detachment..... and this is why the CAA say that they would still base decisions on the PRE operative refraction results in some cases where it was high......
It is not always the fact that you can see with correction that is important.
JON
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I think its better to be Long Sighted than Short.... however you would need to clarify that with the CAA / IAA whoever your authority is....
With LONG sightedness - you "could" be eligible for Laser Surgery but again this would need to be discussed. Their immediate answer will be is NOWAY YOU CANT HAVE LASIK.... but they said that to me - then i Had it and told them and asked them to see me again to re evaluate and i was granted the medical class 1..
Keep in mind mine was to correct astigmatism - so my refraction WAS NOT in the 'at risk' category for retinal detachment which i think is they key issue here.
With LONG sightedness - you "could" be eligible for Laser Surgery but again this would need to be discussed. Their immediate answer will be is NOWAY YOU CANT HAVE LASIK.... but they said that to me - then i Had it and told them and asked them to see me again to re evaluate and i was granted the medical class 1..
Keep in mind mine was to correct astigmatism - so my refraction WAS NOT in the 'at risk' category for retinal detachment which i think is they key issue here.
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Amblyopia
Hello Robbie,
Try these people: Accuvision
I spoke to them on Thursday and they advised me they may be able to help people with Amblyopic (lazy eye) problems providing there is some form of correction present in the first place.
Best of luck, pm me if you wish.
Take care,
Nigel.
Try these people: Accuvision
I spoke to them on Thursday and they advised me they may be able to help people with Amblyopic (lazy eye) problems providing there is some form of correction present in the first place.
Best of luck, pm me if you wish.
Take care,
Nigel.
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Options if eyesight out of CAA limits
Hi all,
So just got the letter from the CAA saying that they can´t possibly accept me for a Class 1 as my right eye was outside of the short sight limit for class 1 prior to my LASIK surgery. My eyesight is now perfect 6 months post surgery.
Are there any other options for me to get into the RHS (preferably of a UK carrier), e.g training outside of the EU etc, or should I just deal with the bad news and start considering a new career?
Any help / encouragement much appreciated.
Thanks, Elliott
So just got the letter from the CAA saying that they can´t possibly accept me for a Class 1 as my right eye was outside of the short sight limit for class 1 prior to my LASIK surgery. My eyesight is now perfect 6 months post surgery.
Are there any other options for me to get into the RHS (preferably of a UK carrier), e.g training outside of the EU etc, or should I just deal with the bad news and start considering a new career?
Any help / encouragement much appreciated.
Thanks, Elliott
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Can these problems in my eyes disqualify me to renew the FAA class 1 medical ?
hi ,
iam having moderate conjunctivitis in both eyes , eye dryness , astigmatism , floaters and small cyst in both eyes ( but still my vision is 20/20 with correction )
note that when i went for my first faa class 1 medical i had all of those problems except the cyst ,, and i think now i have more astigmatism
so can those disqualify me to renew the Medical ?
and if any of you know's ,, what can increase those problems ? can smoking do ?
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iam having moderate conjunctivitis in both eyes , eye dryness , astigmatism , floaters and small cyst in both eyes ( but still my vision is 20/20 with correction )
note that when i went for my first faa class 1 medical i had all of those problems except the cyst ,, and i think now i have more astigmatism
so can those disqualify me to renew the Medical ?
and if any of you know's ,, what can increase those problems ? can smoking do ?
thanks
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Hello Nigel,
Do you mean that If it was corrected when I was younger? Then Yes. And apparently mine can also be corrected with lase surgery aswell becuase its due to excess (Long Sight) and I have a squint. But Ill try the natural method first.
Thanks,
Robbie
Do you mean that If it was corrected when I was younger? Then Yes. And apparently mine can also be corrected with lase surgery aswell becuase its due to excess (Long Sight) and I have a squint. But Ill try the natural method first.
Thanks,
Robbie
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They are really really cruel, seriously I cant believe they take your post op stuff, I have spoken to many who have been allowed, just write to them and say, give me an actual real reason as to why you cant give me a medical, my eyesights perfect now, do you really like hurting peoples dreams, you only get one life and I want to be a pilot, theres no issues with my eyesight, what do you propose I do?
Im in same situation as you, I can never ever become a Pilot becuase of CAA Diopter Limits. I also unluckily have an amblyopia in my left eye.
Good Luck and DO NOT take it from them, and try writing to the Cheif Medical officer.
Regards,
Robbie
Im in same situation as you, I can never ever become a Pilot becuase of CAA Diopter Limits. I also unluckily have an amblyopia in my left eye.
Good Luck and DO NOT take it from them, and try writing to the Cheif Medical officer.
Regards,
Robbie
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As far as I am aware and to what I have been told there is no risk for retinal detachment in people who have long-sight, the CAA limit is just there to make it fair for the short-sighters who cant be pilots, must be the reason, becuase I can understand for Short due Retinal Detachment.
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Hello,
I'm 34, not sure to be diagnosticated with KC.
Initial medical Class 1 approved. For renewal not sure...
Are you sure that JAA rejects pilots with KC stabilised and with 10/10
each eye ?
What's your story ?
Regards.
Laurent.
I'm 34, not sure to be diagnosticated with KC.
Initial medical Class 1 approved. For renewal not sure...
Are you sure that JAA rejects pilots with KC stabilised and with 10/10
each eye ?
What's your story ?
Regards.
Laurent.