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rgbrock1 9th Apr 2015 17:43

US Politics Hamsterwheel v2.0
 
Lonewolf made me do it. :}

So, to start off this new thread any comments on the announcement of Rand Paul to his running for the GOP nomination?

How about Ben Carson's up and coming announcement as well?

Or are we already resigned to the Jebster?

11Fan 9th Apr 2015 17:54

Dude, had you posted 53 more times on that old thread, (assuming I didn't post), you would have been the highest poster.

Go check it out. Just hit total number of posts.

rgbrock1 9th Apr 2015 17:58

But dude, the thread no longer exists. At least so I've been told.

vulcanised 9th Apr 2015 19:42

At least this one doesn't try to redirect to Neverland.

Yet.

con-pilot 9th Apr 2015 19:48

Okay, I'll jump in with a wrong prediction. Par for the course for me.

Anyway, looks like the Democrats have a one trick dog and pony show for 2016 and its name is Hillary. So other than 'I'm an Indian' Warren, do the Democrats have anyone else that can or will run in 2016?

As Hillary is getting pretty tarnished.

As for the Republicans?

McCain again? No way.

Romney? Nope.

Ran Paul? A maybe...

Scott Walker? A real long shot, don't think so.

Cruz? Dead in the water.

Ben Carson? A long shot that could pull it off.


So, a Hillary vs Paul?*


In any case, I think Hillary has so much baggage that even the MSM cannot ignore or cover all of it up. Even though NBC is trying its best.




* I blew it big time in 2008. Had Hillary vs Rudi. :\

Lonewolf_50 9th Apr 2015 20:40

I'd vote for Ben, but we have yet to see what skeletons some enterprising political operative will drag from his closet.

The game is now afoot!

Rand Paul: my response to him is "meh."

Hillary: no, madam, you are not entitled to the Oval Office.

airship 9th Apr 2015 22:06

If this reincarnation of US politics etc. is to have any more sense than the last one, you must all first arrive at a consensus on:

What represents the good, the bad and the ugly?

For starters: Republicans or Democrats; Russians or Americans; Socialists, Communists, Capitalists or anarchists; Israelis or Palestinians; pro-gun or anti-gun; Christianity, Islam or Jewish; Catholics or Protestants; non-believers, Christians, Mormans or Muslims - monogamous or not...

I'll take a guess that few here are willing to make any effort to re-examine their own positions. Beginning with all the US Republicans, 100% capitalist, pro-gun, pro-Israel, Christian and (mostly monogamous) for whom all real beer comes from either Milwaukee or Missouri... :p

I'll leave y'all to fight it out amongst yerselves mi amigos:


MTOW 9th Apr 2015 22:39

An outsider's view: unless some unpalatable skeletons do appear from his closet, the GOP would be crazy not to put Ben Carson up as Veep - and if he handles that thankless job as well as he's handled himself in this public speaking to date, he might just be a contender for the top job eight (or even four?) years later.

And anyone but a late middle aged white guy, particularly if he's Mormon, as their presidential candidate.

West Coast 10th Apr 2015 04:58

I've been thinking the same. With BC in the number 2 position, the far right box will be checked. These days, you don't go from private citizen to President without a stop or 12 in govt service of some, sort so he's not gonna be the top name on the ticket in the general election.

A plus is he's a reletive unknown and hopefully not too many skeletons.

rgbrock1 10th Apr 2015 12:48

Let us not forget Mr. Chris Christie who seems to be making motions now for a run. If that happens we would conceivably have a GOP nomination field containing:

1. The Jebster
2. Ben Carson
3. Chris Christie
4. Rand Paul

So, with the 4 names above, who would YOU choose?

PS: airship? Real beer does NOT come from either Milwaukee or Missouri. Real beer comes from Das Vaterland. Jawohl!!!!

tony draper 10th Apr 2015 12:56

Does it make any difference? I been reading some secret organization called the illuminators or summat just tells em what to do.:E

rgbrock1 10th Apr 2015 12:59

Tony D.

That's the Illuminati. Yes, it's all one big fat conspiracy. :}

Tying this in with that 'other thread' perhaps there's a big black hole which hovers over Washington DC sucking all brain cells out of those who live in either the White House or the Capitol building. :}:E

Lonewolf_50 10th Apr 2015 13:13


Originally Posted by airship (Post 8938371)
I'll take a guess that few here are willing to make any effort to re-examine their own positions.

That would include thine own self.

As for the reference to the Spaghetti Western, the entire American political class is The Ugly.

West Coast 10th Apr 2015 16:24


So, with the 4 names above, who would YOU choose?
Too early yet. Have to listen while they tear each up.

West Coast 10th Apr 2015 16:26


I'll take a guess that few here are willing to make any effort to re-examine their own positions.
Kinda like Obama was against gay marriage until he was for gay marriage? No politics, just an evolution of opinion, right?

obgraham 10th Apr 2015 20:25

I like Ben Carson. Man of integrity with a great personal story.

But by what stretch of alternative imagination is he qualified to be President?

Lonewolf_50 10th Apr 2015 20:54

He's as qualified as a certain "community activist" turned senator. :}
(Grenade pin has been pulled ... )

ORAC 10th Apr 2015 20:59

Rashomon Meets Rouhani, or Oh, Obama Youíve Done It Again!

Lonewolf_50 10th Apr 2015 21:12

The first third of the article was OK.
Once he got past the dumb blond joke, it went down hill.
His in print performance of analingus upon Dr Kissinger and G. Schultz (both able diplomats, sure) was where he began to go wrong.
On the other hand, some of the points he made were valid in terms of how Iran is fitting in, or not, with its neighbors and the world's leading.

Too much of that hit piece was just yelling at Obama, and not a sober analysis of the deal -- which is yet to be released in final form -- in detail.

PS: The Kissinger Schultz article was pretty good.

West Coast 10th Apr 2015 23:08


He's as qualified as a certain "community activist" turned senator.
(Grenade pin has been pulled ... )
Lets hope we collectively learned a lesson. Getting harder and harder to find a white person who admits they voted for him, and I'm asking Californians.

Dea Certe 10th Apr 2015 23:41

Voted for who, West Coast? Obama? Where are you hanging out? Right now, let's take a look at who's on the block for the Right...Ted Cruz.? Tom Cotton? Rand Paul? Scott Walker? I realize these aren't the first string or surely Hilary will win.

Truth to told, I think it's calculated to make Jeb look good.

We are living in scary, scary times.

MTOW 10th Apr 2015 23:50

I'd like to see the GOP put Carson up as their VP candidate. And as I said in my earlier post if he handles that office as well as he's handled himself in his brief dip into public life so far, he might well be a contender for the top job a few years down the track.

Would Rubio be considered too young for the #1 spot? He ticks a lot of boxes the GOP really needs to seriously consider to be seen to be ticking if they want to step away from their traditional 'rich middle aged protestant white guy' as their preferred candidate. Minorities, among swinging voters, have become far more important today than they once were.

I don't know if Rubio would be as flawed a candidate as so many other hopefuls are, but surely, unless he's found to be a serial killer, whatever his flaws, he'd be preferable to Hilary Clinton. As an Australian, I see in her disturbing parallels to our recent (and I can assure you, extremely painful) experience with a very flawed female leader. Would the USA survive (and remain as anything even slightly resembling the world power it once was) another four or eight years of leadership like it has had over the last six years? (As - again as an outsider - I suspect would continue more or less the same under Hilary Clinton as it has under Barak Pbama.)

Rand Paul, I think, is just a bit (should that be 'waaay'?) too radical to attract the middle of the road voter. Some of his ideas might actually be necessary to fix the current US malaise, but I don't think a lot of Americans would be willing to endure the pain that those ideas would bring with them if they were ever implemented.

cavortingcheetah 11th Apr 2015 01:16

Go NRA!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy48nSH5MDI

West Coast 11th Apr 2015 01:58


Voted for who, West Coast? Obama? Where are you hanging out?
Well, he was the community organizer. As far as hanging out, in a county that went for Obama. Have a feeling they learned however.

obgraham 11th Apr 2015 03:20

So West, Lonewolf: Do you think we should do that again? (Vote for a guy with no leadership experience, like Carson)

As usual, this is shaping up to be a "hold your nose" choice. Hillary may as well start picking out her White House China set.

fitliker 11th Apr 2015 03:36

Will she pick Michelle or Oprah as a running mate ?




Will they be ordering fresh cigars from Obama new friends in Cuba for the next Clinton White house oral office ? :)

West Coast 11th Apr 2015 03:55


Will she pick Michelle or Oprah as a running mate ?
Well, there went dinner.

Obgraham

I would be wary of him on the top of the ticket. I wouldn't be surprised to see him as the number two. You gotta throw a bone to most every constituency. I think BC checks the box for the evangelical crowd while not running off the independent voters.

con-pilot 11th Apr 2015 18:15


Will she pick Michelle or Oprah as a running mate ?

Michelle's name has already been announced by some (NBC) about as part of a 'Dream Team'.

But one would think that even the Democrats are not that dumb.

But who knows?


Just remember, if you didnít vote for Obama you are a racist.

If you donít vote for Hillary you are a sexist.

11Fan 11th Apr 2015 19:27

Hillary is supposed to announce tomorrow I believe, but they already have the campaign buttons made.

http://forums.wakeboarder.com/files/button.jpg

con-pilot 11th Apr 2015 19:35

Now, now Fan. :=


Give the guy a break, after all he was closing in on Kennedy's record on the number of woman nailed in the White House. So with another four or eight years Bill may set a new record. :p

rh200 11th Apr 2015 21:10


Give the guy a break, after all he was closing in on Kennedy's record on the number of woman nailed in the White House. So with another four or eight years Bill may set a new record.
Actually I would be more worried about Hillary than Bill, I think she's got Bill jewels in a purse now. It wouldn't matter whether you had a son or daughter as an intern, they would both be fresh meat.:E

tony draper 12th Apr 2015 08:21

What's going on in Yemen? according to the News hundreds of American citizens have been abandoned and been told by their Government that they will not be coming to rescue and get them out? the USA is usually the first in heavily tooled up if necessary to get their own and many others out in situations like this?
Genuine question by a puzzled person not just trying to stir things up.:uhoh:

con-pilot 12th Apr 2015 17:17


What's going on in Yemen? according to the News hundreds of American citizens have been abandoned and been told by their Government that they will not be coming to rescue and get them out?
Must be Republicans still stuck there. :p


Okay, I'll get serious. It has been my experience that is situations such as this, the State Department give warning to US citizens in a country were things are getting out of control starting with, 'Ya'll just might think about leaving' to 'Get the fu<k out now!' and provide access to transportation.

After the final warning of 'Get the fu<k out now!' and you stay, you're on your own.

However, I am not up to speed about what is going on with the remaining US citizens in Yemen or why President Obama has abandoned them.

Dea Certe 12th Apr 2015 17:30

Who are this citizens in Yemen and why are they there? Things have been going to hell for quite a while. Are they there by choice? Aid workers? Religious aid workers? Out to provide health and education service and convert the heathens? (Yes, I'm teasing)

I worry for our soldiers, they have been in combat without end for years now. I hope all good Americans are support on the USOs and Wounded Warriors and making sure these brave men and women are getting the arms and support they need to do their jobs. And they care tney need when they come home. And jobs. And places to live. And medical care.

rh200 12th Apr 2015 23:38


Must be Republicans still stuck there.
You do realize, that if they don't get their act together, and start acting like conservatives, we will be stuck with another 8 years of hope!:{ opps strike that, I meant no hope:p

John Hill 12th Apr 2015 23:52

So it is true then, Hillary is going to be the next POTUS?

Fox3WheresMyBanana 13th Apr 2015 00:08

If we have to have another Clinton as President, there's only one sane choice...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...ghtwander.jpeg

John Hill 13th Apr 2015 00:16

So what dirt does the GOP have on Socks?

Fox3WheresMyBanana 13th Apr 2015 01:02

Intimate contact with underage girls?

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/200...ea_clinton.jpg

West Coast 13th Apr 2015 01:14

I can't wait till the first interview with tough questions. Get her off script and she falls apart. Talking points will get her through a NBC interview, hopefully there's some real journo's left that can grill her.

John, you should be concerned as well. She could be the de facto President of NZ as well.


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