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Worrals in the wilds 6th Jan 2013 09:42


Worrals, I've heard on the ABC that the Labor Pardee (and Liberal Party too, I'm sure) strategists have marginal seats so tightly under scrutiny that they know which streets in those marginal seats to target with their teams, so I think your argument might not hold water.
No doubt. The Labor Party's biggest problem is that their 'supporters' frequently lie to them. Targeting people with electoral crap is very different from convincing them to commit fraud. Even with all the scrutiny they often get surprised. Woodridge was a key local example; a high welfare area with a lot of immigrants should have been a safe Labor seat but it wasn't.

So was Ashgrove. Every pre-election poll predicted either a Labor victory or a close call, when in fact Newman won it comfortably. I know a few swinging voters in that electorate and they got heartily sick of being targeted by teams from both sides. :ugh:In both cases the polls were completely wrong.

I question how accurate the polls are. My understanding is that they still generally rely on phone surveys and door knocking (which skews the age/gender response) and only a few hundred respondents at most. Again, a few hundred out of 90,000 is not always representative, particularly when 80% of Australians always vote the same way.

IMHO one of modern politicians' greatest failures is their slavish devotion to the polls. It drives a lot of media soundbite crap that doesn't actually mean anything, and makes them all look like a bunch of insecure desperados. They seem to assume that the whole system is far more scientific than it actually is. It's like trying to develop meaningful predictions from Twatter. :hmm:

Dark Knight 7th Jan 2013 00:24

Labor's menacing tax memo to the world
 
Labor's menacing taxmemo to the world

Alexander Liddington-Cox Published7:30 AM, 7 Jan 2013
Perhaps the most maddening thing about Treasurer Wayne Swan’s back down on a budget surplus for 2012-13 is it forces us to ask whethers ome of the damage that’s been inflicted on Australia’s reputation among international investors in pursuit of that goal was ever necessary.

Much has been made about how little the minerals resource rent tax will raise for government coffers and thus help deliver a surplus that's no longer coming. Indeed many column inches have been devoted to how commodity price fluctuations ensured that a reliance on this tax device to deliver in this financial year, or any year, in any meaningful sense was clearly idiotic the day it was suggested.

It was this tax device that, when announced in its originalform as the resource super profits tax, raised serious questions about Australia’s sovereign risk, particularly in the world’s financial capital, NewYork. These questions can best be addressed with a change of government, even if it’s a government that will be led by one of the most unlikeable and uninspiring leaders in Australian political history.

But in a strange way, the MRRT of 2010 is less of a problem for Australia’s international reputation as an investment destination than the lesser known changes to the withholding tax made as part of the May budget.

The government announced its intention to raise the withholding tax on foreign investors in managed funds to 15 per cent from 7.5per cent.

The argument is that these rates tend to apply to wealthy investors who can afford it, plus it would bring Australia’s rates into line with international competitors. Both these points are correct and it should be noted that this rate used to sit at a much higher 30 per cent.

So sure, the tax would be doubled, but it’s still half what it used to be. What’s the problem?

There are actually two problems here and neither can be easily addressed, no matter what Swan has conceded about the budget’s bottom line.

Firstly, it was terribly communicated to international financials – just like the RSPT, or was that the MRRT? Sources in New York’s banking industry indicate that big institutions are still somewhere between puzzled and infuriated with this meddling without consultation.

Secondly, it’s a complete about-face on what Labor was telling us in 2008. It was the then Rudd government that cut the withholding tax from 30 per cent, to 15 per cent and then 7.5 per cent, all the while making a big deal about how it was sending a message to the world that Australia is a place for investment – a terrific message, particularly when the investment world is in such a mess.

The MRRT was a bigger tax policy blunder for the country, no question. But global financials were concerned about it on behalf of their mining clients, almost all of which were always going to be able to meet their obligations, mining tax or not. Besides, the swift amendments made by the freshly installed Prime Minister Julia Gillard via closed talks with BHP Billiton, Rio Tinto and Xstrata ensured that the thing wouldn't raise much more than dime.

By contrast, the withholding tax changes mean that these financial firms have to go to clients across their organisation and tell them,“Hey, remember when we said you should invest your cash in Australian infrastructure and construction because they’ve got their head screwed on straight? We were wrong and your return is seriously compromised. Oh, and if you're still keen at 15 per cent, the Australian dollar is in a terrible mess."

It’s embarrassing for them. The spectre of the RSPT just reinforces the questions in their minds about Australia’s reliability.

Granted, international financials have rightly been brought down a few rungs after the global financial crisis. They can no longer expectto get everything they want from governments around the world or demand to have a direct line to relevant ministers on minute policy details before they’remade public.

But the unconvincing performance of Australia’s economy, the primary reason for our budget deficit, illustrates how desperately we need international investment.

For that we need the confidence of major multinational financial institutions and a proper discussion about how to fix the budget’s structural problems, rather than random tinkering with tax rates and a shuffling of spending forwards and backwards.

Between the MRRT and withholding tax changes, the first has been significantly weakened. Between the ALP and the Coalition, the judgement is yet to come – but the withholding tax decision is unlikely to do Labor any favours.

Alexander Liddington-Cox is BusinessSpectator's North America Correspondent.

Any further comment would be superfluous?

Andu 7th Jan 2013 03:40

Eileen currently being interviewed on Sky. Quite obviously the word the McTurdan spin team decided was the catchword of the day is "communidee". She mispronounced that one word twenty bloody times in as many seconds.

Am I the only one who shouts abuse at the screen when the woman appears on screen?

Captain Dart 7th Jan 2013 03:51

Probably, the rest of us just reach for the 'mute' button.

Krudd was dreadful to listen to, but her Lllayba Pardee accent in that braying voice takes the cake.

Worrals in the wilds 7th Jan 2013 03:55


Am I the only one who shouts abuse at the screen when the woman appears on screen?
I regularly shout abuse at Roxon when she's on telly. My neighbours probably think I'm in an abusive relationship with someone called Nicola. :ouch::}

Croozin 7th Jan 2013 04:06

I'm so glad to see that it's not just me. My long-suffering wife, on (yet again) hearing me shout "God, I hate the sound of that woman's voice!!!" replies, with her irony meter off the clock: "Really, darling? Gee, I didn't know that."

I can't believe Gillard's spin team hasn't told her that her poll ratings would almost certainly go up five points overnight if she dropped the fake - for fake it is - "woirking (sic) class" accent.

So I suppose I should close in saying "Keep it up, EilEEn."

Fliegenmong 7th Jan 2013 04:06


Andu 7th Jan 2013 04:15

From the Piers Ackerman blog. (For those of you not familiar with Verity of Perth, she comes up with quite good poems relatively often.)


Two lovely weeks with family and friends
but the Christmas season has come to an end
And during that time we were all TV free

Not a sound nor I sight did I have time to see
That horrible woman whose voice shreds my nerves
I pray she will get the smack she deserves

We’ve watched her behaviour in shock and disgust
And we have to replace her with someone we trust
Tony Abbott’s the man we want in her place
For Julia Gillard’s a bloody disgrace

When I see her I just have to walk from the room
But soon she’ll be told to fly off on her broom
I far too polite to call her a bitch

But I WILL go so far as to call her a witch
and a few other things sometimes enter my head
that I privately think of Ms Gillard The Red

How are we going to get through this year
and the horrible lies we’ll undoubtedly hear
The rudness, the shrieking, the nasty smug pride
This is a woman I cannot abide

With the help of the media they might even get in
But I tell you if Labor by any chance win
I’ll be the one who’ll be taking a boat
to a place in the world that is very remote

But on second thoughts - NO - I will take up the fight
and pursue them from office with all of my might
There’ll be plenty like me who feel just the same
Who are desperate to put an end to their game

Ms. Gillard The Red we cannot endure
We’ll do all that we can this nation to cure
Each day she remains things can only get worse
We must put and end to this terrible curse

She and her cohorts will have to depart
Their behaviour in office has broken our hearts
We have to make sure that it comes to an end
and long years in the desert they surely must spend

Verity of Perth (Reply)
Mon 07 Jan 13 (02:22pm)

Capt Casper 7th Jan 2013 07:46

Love this letter to the Editor - The Australian - 4 Jan.

Labor ministers are like my Christmas lights; half of them don't work and the ones that do aren't very bright.
Fabio Scalia, Winsor, Vic.

Captain Sand Dune 7th Jan 2013 08:02


FORMER Speaker Peter Slipper could face the possibility of a jail sentence if found guilty of offences after being summonsed to appear in court over allegations he rorted his Cabcharge entitlements.
After an investigation lasting nearly nine months, the Australian Federal Police said it had served Mr Slipper with a summons "in relation to three offences of Dishonestly Causing a Risk of a Loss to the Commonwealth".
The alleged offences would breach the Commonwealth Criminal Code, if proven, and carry a maximum penalty of five years imprisonment.
The legal setback for Mr Slipper comes just a few weeks after the former Speaker had a major victory in the Federal Court when allegations of sexual harassment were thrown out.
Those allegations were brought by a former adviser, James Ashby, who also alleged that he witnessed Mr Slipper signing blank Cabcharge dockets during several visits to Sydney in early 2012.
The AFP, after an initial investigation, referred matters to the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions.
In a statement, the DPP said it could "confirm that the AFP have sworn an information and summons which alleges three offences against section 135.1(5) of the Criminal Code (Cth) in relation to allegations concerning the use of Cabcharges by Mr Slipper".
The DPP said it would be "inappropriate to comment further" as the matter was before the Canberra Magistrates Court.
The former Speaker has been forced to repay more than $20,000 during the past decade in relation to family travel and other entitlement perks.
Is his slipperiness (is that a word?!) running out?

Clare Prop 7th Jan 2013 08:14

I guess a lousy 50 grand from N. Toxin wasn't enough to make this one go away either.

Andu 7th Jan 2013 10:27

What's the bet they'll find some obscure legal technicality surrounding those three charges making them void or not able to be proceeded with and Slippery Pete will remain true to his name?

That, or a very mild slap on the wrist involving repayment of a minor amount of money, about one squillionth of the amount he's rorted over the years in expense claims?

Fliegenmong 7th Jan 2013 12:00

That, or a very mild slap on the wrist involving repayment of a minor amount of money, about one squillionth of the amount he's rorted over the years in expense claims?

Regrettably I reckon you're right Andu, the man is a disgrace....has been for years.....the difference being that when he was a disgrace as a Liberal party member that was fine.....and fully endorsed by the Liberals.....he freely resigned as a member so as to retain his new found position as speaker......because like any polly , either side, he's only in it for himself....Slipper, for me, sums up what the Liberals are all about............which is essentially what the Laborites are all about..........and regrettably it ain't about betterment of country...but short term gain, essentially political KPIs!......

Never forget the Mad monk said to the independents "I'll do anything for your support", never did he say "I need your support for the betterment of the Country" an amatuer gaff, conveniently glossed over by the 'Main stream media'...no surprise there! ........ It would not surprise at all if slipper still attends BBQs at Abbott's Humble abode :rolleyes:

Clare Prop 7th Jan 2013 12:55

Can anyone confirm that one of the conditions of the Liberal and National merger was that sitting members would not be challenged, in which case Slipper's pre selection was guaranteed?

Buster Hyman 7th Jan 2013 12:58


Never forget the Mad monk said to the independents "I'll do anything for your support"
Makes you wonder how far the red witch bent over to get their support AND the watermelons... :yuk:

Croozin 7th Jan 2013 19:42


Can anyone confirm that one of the conditions of the Liberal and National merger was that sitting members would not be challenged, in which case Slipper's pre selection was guaranteed?
I believe you're right, Clare P. As I recall, there had been a pretty serious move in the local branch to get rid of him for some time, (led, or at least actively supported, by the local paper?**), but head office overruled them.

Worrals' insider comments about the problem children within the Qld Nats (and Libs?) at State level might have had some bearing on this matter. Perhaps Worrals could comment?


** If my recollections about the local paper are correct, it's apparently the opposite in Rob Oakeshott's electorate, where the local Port Macquarie rag just lurrrves him to bits and he can do no wrong.

1DC 7th Jan 2013 20:00

Looking at you Weather forecasts from here in the UK, if you are still in the fire fighting business BUSTERthen be careful during the next few weeks..

Sorry about the thread drift but I know he is a contributor here..

Croozin 7th Jan 2013 20:02

The article below would seem to confirm your comment, Clare Prop.

Monday, 07 January 201
Tony Abbott was wrong to defend Slipper


Peter Slipper had his pre-selection for the 2010 election guaranteed. One of the conditions of the merger of the Queensland National and Liberal parties was that sitting members would not be challenged.

From that point, 26 July, 2008, Peter Slipper stopped trying. He knew he was guaranteed another term. He is a grub, a drunk, a sexual predator and a reputed thief. He has no place in the Federal Parliament in my view.

Tony Abbott could not have disendorsed him if he tried. But he should have known about his proclivities., I did as a radio show host and a former resident of the Sunshine Coast. I broadcasted regular editorials about the grub Slipper on 4BC. He had then and he has now no place in our parliamentary system.

Tony is going to have to deal with this head on. The charges Slipper apparently faces relate to his actions while an endorsed, sleepy, often pissed member of the LNP team in the Federal Parliament.

This article has been sent to me today by a few very pro Labor people, obviously the Labor Party is backgrounding with this sort of stuff. And it is true. Tony was wrong to defend Slipper, no one did the wierd travel and purchases that Slipper did. It's indefensible.
Tony Abbott was wrong to defend Slipper - Michael Smith News

Buster Hyman 7th Jan 2013 20:06

Oh, I rarely get on this thread 1DC... :p

I was asked to go to Portland in VIC for 4 days yesterday, but couldn't go. Our truck is on Strike Team duty this week so who knows? They're getting hammered in Tassie & NSW at the moment though. :(

Worrals in the wilds 7th Jan 2013 20:14

Good luck to your guys. :ok:

Fliegenmong 7th Jan 2013 20:41

Makes you wonder how far the red witch bent over to get their support AND the watermelons...

Yeah!, Good point.....just a teensy weensy bit more I guess.... :p

Andu 7th Jan 2013 21:07

It's not an appealing image, is it?

sisemen 7th Jan 2013 22:51

We are on 45 - 47C today here in the west. Fortunately, very fortunately we don't have the same forecast wind strengths. It's 0800 and we already have 33C! Fully expect a call-out at some time today and it's not going to be pretty.

Worrals in the wilds 7th Jan 2013 23:37

Croozin, about all I heard was that he was a Problem, and a lot of sniggering when he changed allegiance to the effect of 'now he's all yours :E'. I didn't hear much in the way of specifics apart from the sexual preference that is now in the public arena and innuendo that he was a bit of a greaseball.

In fairness it's quite common to hear rumours about pollies' personal habits, and they're not always correct.

Private Partz 8th Jan 2013 00:09


Never forget the Mad monk said to the independents "I'll do anything for your support",
Yeah sure.... this gem came from the mouth of one Tony Windsor, well known for his unbridled hatred for the LNP. For those that didn't know or have (conveniently) forgotten, Windsor was elected by a largely conservative electorate, then promptly abandoned them to support the ALP minority government. He's the one that said the ALP would do a better job than the LNP. If anyone had "sold their arse" I would put my money on Windsor. I would suspect he's been bought off by more that just a few prioritized projects for his electorate.

So far the ALP have done a far better job of breaking faith with the electorate at large, ruining our economy and protecting criminals to name just a few of their dubious "achievements".

Croozin 8th Jan 2013 02:56

You couldn't make this up
 
Photos Of Asylum Seekers On Manus Island


Tablet computers for asylum seekers on Manus Island have had their camera functions removed days after Fairfax Media published photographs of life in the island's camp.
The photographs, which were sent from the camp to the mainland without the knowledge of the Department of Immigration, showed conditions there are very basic.
They're given tablet computers? Give me strength!

And people wonder why they continue to come here in droves? How many boats have arrived since Jan 1st? I've heard of only two in the MSM. I'd be betting there have been more.

Fubaar 8th Jan 2013 04:08


They're given tablet computers?
You start to see why each boat that arrives costs the taxpayer, on average, 12.8 million dollars.

prospector 8th Jan 2013 06:21


They're given tablet computers?

And which of the pollies has friends in the supply of tablet computers? I do not know, but I am sure if one dug deep enough one would find out a link somewhere.

Fliegenmong 8th Jan 2013 09:05

" Tony Windsor, well known for his unbridled hatred for the LNP. For those that didn't know or have (conveniently) forgotten, Windsor was elected by a largely conservative electorate,"

The largely conservative electorate seemed not to know of his unbridled hatred of the LNP....why did they not vote for the LNP candidate, rather than the independent Windsor? :confused:

"I would suspect he's been bought off by more that just a few prioritized projects for his electorate."

So a win for his constituents then? :hmm: You say it like it's a bad thing :p

Captain Sand Dune 8th Jan 2013 09:10


why did they not vote for the LNP candidate, rather than the independent Windsor?
My Mrs voted for the LNP candidate while I "knew better" and voted for Windsor.................bugga............:sad:

Worrals in the wilds 8th Jan 2013 09:48

Youchie.
We all learn. :O:}
So out of interest, what's the mood in the electorate? Yay for Tone or lynch mobs at the ready?

I've heard that come the next election, the good people of Port Macquarie are waiting for the Honourable Mr Oakeshott with a tame shark and some chum in case the shark gets distracted, but that's only what I've heard.

What's the vibe in New England?

Fliegenmong 8th Jan 2013 09:52

Clearly Mr Abbott thinks we're all utterly daft!! :mad:

Federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott pledges $1b to Gateway Motorway upgrade and no extra toll point | The Courier-Mail

"Oops sorry, in a worse situation than we thought, can't do it"......how come the compliant 'MSM' don't ask him how he intends to pay for this infrastructure if the Country is so broke? And without new tolls?? :hmm: C'mon!! For sure it is not a 'gospel truth'..... a lie in other words........maybe add it to that 10 Billion black hole from last election??? :hmm: :D

Andu 8th Jan 2013 10:05

Where's your outrage over all of the many unfunded Labor promises, Fliegs? NDIS, NBN to name just two.

Being just a teesh selective, aren't we?

One area I do share your outrage is Tony Abbott's imbecilic "full pay whatever that pay is maternity leave" promise. I for one am hoping that that's one of his "non gospel" promises.

Worrals in the wilds 8th Jan 2013 10:10

Let the 'promises' begin! :E
I get frequently outraged. It's one of my nicer traits :}. However, Fleig's valid point is that both sides will be rolling out the cheque book for every two bob cause in the country if they think it will score them votes. Labor aren't alone in this.

EDIT: I'm in the inner city tonight up north, but I smell bushfire...:ooh: They're getting closer. They've already gotten too close to too many people in Tassie, NSW and Victoria, which makes all the political bickering a bit irrelevant.

Never mind the political BS because it is mostly BS, much as we enjoy tussling about it; never mind the media and all their crap.

Watch out for yourselves and may there be rain, lots of it.

Fliegenmong 8th Jan 2013 10:35

Andy, indeed I'm being selective! Just trying to bring some balance to the thread really!.....The Newman performance here in QLD has been utterly woeful, and if it is anything to go by at a Federal level....the nepotism, lies, deception....disgrace

Though you would have to agree, 'pledging' 1 Billion on (admittedly necessary) infrastructure, without tolls, is well.....:rolleyes: A non core, non gospel truth

I see a lot of charitable community causes I would like to get involved with....rural fire fighting, meals on wheels etc etc. But I cannot because I am at work everyday, slaving my ar$e off to fund such ridiculous initiatives such as tablet computers to queue jumpers (FFS I don't even have a tablet computer!!!) but the trouble is.....the opposition does nothing to warrant my support....nothing!

I know work-no-choices will come around again, in another guise, the 'scrapping' of which again will be another non gospel truth, how stupid does Abbott think I am?

While we're on the work-no-choices subject, I note some here find it convenient to dismiss it as "Here we go again Work Choices Blah Blah". Except it wasn't 'Blah Blah' for those who had devoted so much for so long to companies that couldn't screw them over fast enough!

The Congo line of Suckholes, as Latham so inelegantly put it, remain in the LNP, and fail to present to me a viable alternative (Or any viable or believable policy)

Doesn't mean I'm supporting the red bogan, just not such a blinkered ideologue to observe the bigger picture, and how it will impact on my family :ok:

Bon Giorno 8th Jan 2013 12:12



Quote:
Never forget the Mad monk said to the independents "I'll do anything for your support"

Makes you wonder how far the red witch bent over to get their support AND the watermelons...
In reality Buster Gillard offered them less than Abbott.

She was the superior negotiator.

End of.

Bon Giorno 8th Jan 2013 12:21


I guess a lousy 50 grand from N. Toxin wasn't enough to make this one go away either.
Since the Commonwealth settlement of $50,000 to Master Ashby (if that is what I can glean from the above) had nothing whatsoever to to with Slipper's current Cabcharges predicament I fail to see your point Clare Prop. :confused:

Bon Giorno 8th Jan 2013 13:26

The Tories campaign to reverse the perception among the female electorate that Abbott is nothing but an extreme conservative Catholic misogynist is now in full swing beginning with Peta's puff pieces. They were however strangely understated on her intimate connection to the Liberal's very own faceless men.

Where else but in the Liberals very own house magazines thoughfully provided on a daily basis at great personal loss by the man declared unfit to run a public company.

Peta who?


Remember back to late 2011, when Peta Credlin's name started to leak through the barrier that separates what the Canberra insiders know, from what the rest of us know? Peta Credlin is Chief of Staff to the Leader of the Opposition, a position not usually profiled in major national publications or Sunday papers. Then again, most political chiefs of staff aren't six foot tall "Glamazons", married to a Liberal equivalent of a “faceless man”.

Peta Credlin is interesting. She's the female gatekeeper to a man who faces a seemingly unbreakable perception problem with female voters. Ms Credlin, who also staffed former Opposition Leaders Brendan Nelson and Malcolm Turnbull, inhabits her position with personal determination, and with the support of her well-placed husband Brian Loughnane, Federal Director of the Liberal Party.

While Mr Loughnane has remained relatively invisible outside the dome that separates us from them, Ms Credlin has emerged, crossing from behind the scenes to front page news and minor celebrity. In November 2011, News Limited's weekend colour supplement ran a feature on Ms Credlin. She refused to be interviewed for the story, but let it be known with the Liberal Party that the story was "on". Prominent members of the opposition phoned the journalist Kate Legge to supply exceptional personal references no-one had asked for. Ms Legge concluded that:

"If Abbott stumbles, Credlin will suffer some collateral damage. While his numbers are sweet, she's rock solid. If he goes on to win, her name is on the chief of staff's door. If not, she may pursue political dreams of her own. She once sought the counsel of senior Liberals on a Senate spot. They think she'd be stunning."


Twelve months later, Abbott has stumbled and it may well be due to Ms Credlin’s campaign strategy; his relentless campaign of fear around the carbon tax has failed. His consistent negativity and absence of genuine policy have become noticeable, and his team seem to think that his best chance of reversing the trend is to appeal to women voters.
Yesterday’s News Limited papers feature a new, very personal interview with Ms Credlin conducted by respected political journo Samantha Maiden. Ms Credlin was interviewed at some length on Tony Abbott's supportive response to her attempts to fall pregnant using IVF. The story goes beyond hinting at a gentle, compassionate Tony Abbott.

Australian voters looked up from their Sunday brunches, took another sip of coffee and blinked away the dissonance. Surely this paragon of fairness and approachability that Ms Credlin describes, this generous supporter of Secret Female Stuff, is not the same man who parades his wife and daughters across News Limited's front pages to prove that he and The Women get on just fine?

Yes, it is Tony Abbott all right, Mad Monk and Life Member of the Boys' Club, who has cleared the Shandy Premix out of his personal bar fridge to make way for his Chief of Staff's hormones. It's a generous and discreet gesture in a series of generous, discreet gestures from Tony Abbott.

But no – don’t stop reading, at least, don’t stop reading without taking a few more moments to ponder why in the name of everything holy Ms Credlin would reveal these details. Why would any woman trumpet the whole thing across the national tabloids if not to enhance Tony Abbott's reputation with The Women?

Mr Abbott’s personal approval numbers have fallen below Julia Gillard's, and while the Coalition has plenty of fat left in their 2PP lead, the tumbling trend must be of concern to the Liberal Party, it’s leader Brian Loughnane, and Mr Abbott’s staff, led by Ms Credlin.

Regardless of how high the stakes might be, how many people of either gender would agree to reveal their personal reproductive details to the media to support their boss?

And how much personal discomfort is there now for Ms Credlin - and Mr Loughnane - versus how much 'upside' for the Abbott campaign for the Lodge? Babies are lovely, yet reproduction, particularly assisted reproduction, is private. If Ms Credlin had wanted to discuss her experience as a female executive undergoing IVF, she could have done that in any number of newspapers, magazines and blogs. That Samantha Maiden – a specialist political journalist – wrote the piece is an indication of its purpose.

Just for laughs, let’s remove the personalities and the political context and see what happened: A senior executive with a high profile offered some support to a trusted advisor who confided that she had some special, discreet needs due to a medical situation. He treated her situation with respect and sensitivity…just as my boss would do, and has done. I'd like to think that most bosses at that level would do the same.

Now, let’s remove the emotion: By assisting Ms Credlin to undergo her IVF treatments in private, Mr Abbott ensured that he would not lose her services. Her other option was to take leave during the IVF process, which often lasts for months. Mr Abbott chose the option that best suited his needs as well as hers.

And who thought this story would be a good idea? Which communications professional thought that this story would soften Mr Abbott's image? It has very little relevance to Mr Abbott's unpopularity with women. IVF, pregnancy and babies are not exclusively "women's issues". Mr Abbott himself has referred to it as being about families, and it is, although in 2005, while he was Health Minister in the Howard Government, he advocated cutting government funding for IVF treatment:

TONY ABBOTT: Well, first, I'm not going to comment on pre-Budget speculation but I just do make the point that in any one year, 90 per cent of the women who are accessing IVF have three or fewer cycles.

The other point I make is that IVF treatment is not – it's very important obviously – but it's not life saving treatment. There is a sense in which it is an elective procedure and there has to some limit, speaking hypothetically, on what the Government is prepared to spend on things which are non-essential.

ALEXANDRA KIRK: Why does there have to be some limit?

TONY ABBOTT: Well, because if non-essential treatment is funded endlessly, medical costs blow out endlessly and responsible governments have to try to ensure that we give good value to tax payers as well as good value to patients.

So, what have we learned about Tony Abbott as a result of Ms Credlin's IVF story? He can be a caring boss who knows what's good for him. That's probably not going to impact the hundreds of thousands of women who are still concerned about Mr Abbott’s views on abortion, his reputation for misogynistic behaviour or his links with WorkChoices.

Whether the Samantha Maiden interview was Ms Credlin’s idea, or came from elsewhere, the decision itself should be examined by the Liberal Party. This interview is no more likely to improve Mr Abbott’s standing with The Women than the countless more photos with Margie and the girls would. If the Liberals are serious about addressing the problem with women, they should stop trying to appeal to women, and release some policies that appeal to voters.

Meanwhile, I wonder who is feeling like the bigger sellout after this interview went to print: Samantha Maiden, for disguising a genuine human interest story to write pro-Abbott propaganda, or Peta Credlin, for exposing her private struggles with IVF in a misguided attempt to promote her boss’s sensitive side.

This was followed up by a similar tearjerker from Pyne.

Newsflash - the ABC will be crossing later to bring you a live insider interview with the Parliament House cleaning ladies glowing reports on the LOTO's deep consideration for women by putting the toilet seat down. :yuk:

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Clare Prop 8th Jan 2013 14:09

OK BG I challenge you to prove you are not the very same poster who has departed this thread prviously whose style included a complete inability to answer questions, a very common ALP trait.

So answer me these and prove you are someone else.

Is there any member of the current government who would know one end of a fire hose from the other or do they just see bushfires as photo ops?

Did Nicola Roxon give James Ashby 50 grand of our money and if so why?

Can you justify the handouts given to irregular maritime arrivals compared to the help taxpayers who have lost everythiing in bush fires over the last few years get?


Re volunteering:
I had a look at the Emily's List site today and saw they had a section on volunteering. Ah good-o maybe they are not just a bunch of opportunistic wannabee commies and care about the community, thought I. But no, it was volunteering to raise money for...Emily's List people to get elected. A slush fund? :mad:

sisemen 8th Jan 2013 15:14


She was the superior negotiator.
In view of the reality of the situation I think it proves that Bob Brown was the superior one. One could actually question his sexual orientation given that he f**ked Gillard over. :E


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