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parabellum 2nd Aug 2012 08:20

So 250 about-to-become unemployed from the choclate factory and another 150 earlier this week from a motor parts factor, my, my, is there no stopping this 'booming' economy?:hmm:

Haven't seen Penny Wong on TV for ages, has she fallen from grace? They used to trot her out so regularly to spout the party line too.

CoodaShooda 2nd Aug 2012 08:31


If the "ultimate judges" you refer to are the voters, the polling suggests that they don't have a high opinion of Abbott either.

They seem to be judging labor on it's performance rather than on the opposition's utterances.

I think it was Richo who recently said that labor needs to stop focussing on AbbottAbbottAbbott and concentrate on providing good governance.

Given that most here have been saying that since someone uttered the first
"12 years of neglect", its hard to disagree with him.

Labor is in government (not opposition) and can only win from here by offering something worthwhile to the electorate (and I don't mean cheap bribes). They will not win by continuing to focus a lemming-like attack on the opposition.

But by all means, keep it up and keep this thread interesting. :E

MattGray 2nd Aug 2012 08:42

And the amount of Carbon being discharged into the atmosphere has decreased by what amount??
The climate change thread is thataway ----------------->

SOPS 2nd Aug 2012 08:44

Answer the question Matt.

Clare Prop 2nd Aug 2012 08:53

Matt I am fascinated to see how people like yourself, who seem to follow a particular party no matter what; think.

If you could tell me why Labor people think that Craig Thompson et al= OK and Tiggy Forrest et al = evil, without mentioning the leader of the opposition in your reply, that'd be great. :ok:

Cheers. Clare.

allan907 2nd Aug 2012 08:56

With news like this one can hardly blame the true believers still left on here for retreating into their corners and spitting and snarling defiance with their "hyperbowl". It's a fruitless effort but it's the only course open.

Julia Gillard's leadership has been rocked by her party's own polling, which reveals Labor would be wiped out in half the states and territories at a federal election.

The internal Labor polling, leaked to Seven News shows Labor would be left with no seats in Queensland, the Northern Territory, Tasmania or Western Australia.

The secret Government polling shows Labor's two-party preferred vote in Queensland has collapsed from 45 percent at the 2010 election, to just 36.

While in Tasmania, home to the bellwether seats of Bass and Braddon, it's plummeted 17 points to 44.

The results are even worse than previous polls and make confronting reading for the senior ministers, federal executive members and state secretaries on its distribution list.
Clare and SOPS on past performance I wouldn't hold your breath. As they say in Yorkshire - there's nowt but hot air coming from that chimney :}

MattGray 2nd Aug 2012 09:01

Peter Lord and Linda Goldspink-Lord have engaged solicitor Mark McDonald and barrister Terry Tobin QC, to take legal action against Seven, WIN and The Illawarra Mercury over their coverage of the 13-year old teenager's death on the family property near Wollongong.

Media coverage included the broadcast and publication of images of the deceased teenager lying on the ground -- obtained without the family's knowledge using long lenses and helicopters.

The Mercury ran a photo of Molly lying face-down under a sheet with her legs and feet visible, while her mother knelt beside her in great distress.

allan907 2nd Aug 2012 09:06

Breathtaking change of tack Matt

But you probably won't get any argument from anybody on here about some of the more reptilian press people.

MattGray 2nd Aug 2012 09:12

Opposition leader Tony Abbott has delivered one of his most strident criticisms of Prime Minister Julia Gillard by calling her heavy use of eye make-up a ‘cruel and vicious taunt over the carbon tax.’

Abbott was referring to the prime minister’s appearance at the NSW state Labor conference where she took to the podium wearing heavy make-up, prompting the opposition leader to brand her ‘a ginger-haired panda.’

‘Just days after introducing the most onerous anti-family, gay-friendly, pro-asylum seeker tax in Australian history the Prime Minister chose to sneer at voters by appearing in public with several kilograms of carbon smeared around her eyes!’ fumed Abbott.

Abbott said that while he had hitherto resisted commenting on the prime minister’s personal appearance, he could not accept her ‘heavy use of mascara as a weapon to taunt suffering Aussie taxpayers.’

The opposition leader said that private research commissioned by the Liberal Party showed that since the carbon tax’s introduction on 1 July over 200,000 people, including entire rural communities, had been vaporised or eviscerated by mysterious forces.

‘How do you think friends and relatives of the missing feel when they see the prime minister satirising their loss by plastering her face with carbon dust?’

Rebuffing calls to back his claims by releasing the names of towns and individuals who had disappeared, Abbott urged the media to focus instead on the ‘callous ways in which the Prime Minister and other members of the government are mocking the suffering of ordinary Australian families’.

Abbott said that Gillard’s behaviour invited comparisons with former Prime Minister Ben Chifley’s 1946 decision to engage a kabuki ensemble and serve sushi at a reception for former prisoners of the Japanese during World War II and of Gough Whitlam’s installation of bigger ceiling fans at The Lodge in the weeks after cyclone Tracy devastated Darwin on Christmas Day in 1974. Source Votesmart

SOPS 2nd Aug 2012 09:19

Its time for the ignore function.

allan907 2nd Aug 2012 09:23

5. If your thread/post is inane, offensive, whining, repetitive, provincial, boring, panders to the lowest common denominator or is of the 'Agony Aunt' variety it will be deleted.

Says it all really.

CoodaShooda 2nd Aug 2012 09:28

Come on Matt
Give us the rest of the article.
(And thanks for the link. Can do with a laugh atm.)

Agree with the sentiment about the gutter press but surprised it didn't refer to Murdoch, Bolt and Blair. You tend to expect crap from 7, WIN and the Illawarra Mercury.

Clare Prop 2nd Aug 2012 09:36

Yep, wasn't holding my breath.

MattGray 2nd Aug 2012 09:48

Come on Matt
Give us the rest of the article.
(And thanks for the link. Can do with a laugh atm.)
Glad that someone enjoyed it Cooda. And I have no problem with the rest of it - that is why I posted the link. I always like to be even handed.

BTW have you ever noticed this?

Agree with the sentiment about the gutter press but surprised it didn't refer to Murdoch, Bolt and Blair.
Plenty remains to be said about Murdoch in the wake of Leveson.

SOPS 2nd Aug 2012 10:17

In regards to the leaked "secret"poll. Surely this will spur someone to do something. I mean no seats in 4 states,at all??? It will take them years to come back from this.

As I have said before, surely they will try and do something to make the train smash a bit smaller. Or will they just keep doing bad songs and refering to Bruce for "inspiration"?

allan907 2nd Aug 2012 10:28

Who's going to want to put their hand up and take responsibility for being in the chair when the train smash happens?

I could be wrong but I don't think that Rudd will want it. Apart from anything else if he does then the Coalition will immediately start a media blitz re-running all the quotes from February in which the members of his own party told us how crap he was.

As has been discussed previously there's always the possibility of a 'sacrificial lamb' such as Crean that might, just might, salvage a bit of respectability.

A few weeks ago Richo said that if the polls over the break start with a 2 then she's out. Well, the first one started with a two and she's still there.

I suspect that, like Mr Micawber, they will keep on hoping that "something will turn up" until the smash actually happens. The smash also may not be of their timing :E

Until then they'll keep up the self-delusion that it's simply a "good government" that is finding it hard to cut through to the masses.

It has also been said that the Australian voter isn't stupid. Unfortunately Gillard and her crew think that we are (of course there are some who simply fit the ALP description and fail to see through the smoke and mirrors)

PukinDog 2nd Aug 2012 10:52

Thought I should post this here, an excerpt from today's news. Check your attics and cellars folks....

"The Kelly family will now make arrangements for Ned's final burial," said
Ellen Hollow, the great grand-daughter of Kelly's sister Kate Kelly.

Considered by some to be a cold-blooded killer, Kelly was also seen as a folk hero and symbol of Irish-Australian defiance against the British authorities.

After murdering three policemen, he was captured in Victoria state in 1880 and hanged at Old Melbourne Gaol in November of the same year. But his body went missing after it was thrown into a mass grave.

The bodies in the grave were transferred from the jail to Pentridge Prison in 1929 and then exhumed again in 2009. His remains were formally identified last year, minus the skull which remains missing.

"We appeal to the person who has the skull in their possession to return it," said Hollow in a family statement.
This game of keep-away has gone on long enough. You know who you are, now give it back.

SOPS 2nd Aug 2012 10:53

Just listened to Richo on the radio. In his opinion, if Rudd is going to put his hand up (or is that get the knife ready), it will have to be by the end of September at the latest, in order to give himself some space prior to the next election.

He said, that he felt, that if it was later than this, Rudd would not make a challenge, as there would not be enough "breathing space".

We live in interesting times.

priapism 2nd Aug 2012 11:37

Rudd is not the answer. I forget who said it and where I heard it - possibly 3aw on the weekend- but an ALP member close to the pulse called in and explained that the ALP is in the s#@t because is Rudd is more popular with the electorate but very unpopular within the party. Unless Pickering, Jones ,Flint etc succeed in exposing the very suspect relationship Gillard had with the AWU I think she will lead the Party into oblivion at the next election. I reckon the hollow men of Parliament House will be working overtime to head this off. I think the opposition is keeping it in their pocket until the election date is announced.
Interesting political times ahead.

Andu 2nd Aug 2012 12:32

It's a bit like watching yet another spoof version of that Hitler in the bunker scene with added captions, isn't it?

Daily, the words in the captions change to suit the latest disaster, but the scene remains the same - a befuddled, confused, totally delusional leader - (the face may change - Gillard/Rudd/Crean/Swan[ Swan???[!!!)], but the storyline remains the same) - so deeply buried in her/his sycophantic bunker and so totally out of touch with reality that she/he believes the situation is redeemable.

Like Hitler, you're going to need something bigger and better than a V3 'superweapon' to salvage the situation that is totally of your own making, Jools.

That's unless your 'V3' is rigging the vote. However, if you try that, I really don't think people will buy it and you might find yourself with your very own Tahrir Square.

If it ever comes to that, I'll be there.

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