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Like This - Do That 1st Dec 2012 09:24

Originally Posted by Worrals
many of the new style 'bikies' are a bit more high profile and a lot less brainy

And starting to be a little more culturally diverse .... (not trying to 'dog whistle' but facts are facts).

If this attack was seaborn (a dodgy proposition given the fauna) then do we return to 'boom nets'? Can't help thinking that this modus operandi is a 'one off' due to any sensible anticipation of an inevitable knee-jerk response.

Is it time that DoD took a proposal to the Minister that a UK-style MoD Police be established? Or is the outsourced Chubb / Serco model just too attractive to any government on a cost basis? I find it dismaying that a notional 'ring of steel' (in the form of a repaired 6" cyclone wire fence and some extra 'Safe Base Bravo' signs) appears to have been the sole response to the wake up call we had a couple of years ago.

People who care have considered what needs to be done; I am dismayed that the bean counters and spivs and powerbrokers and APS mandarins are being out-thought by opportunistic blaggers.

CoodaShooda 2nd Dec 2012 00:29

A 40yo male has been arrested while attempting to escape from a Darwin apartment wherein police recovered the 2 shot guns and 12 Brownings.

They are still trying to determine whether he was the assault party but believe there is more than one perp involved.

No word yet on his ethnicity or group affiliations. :E

For the mathematically inclined with an interest in the asylum seeking issue - it appears staff working in the Transport & Escort unit at the detention centres are paying $1600/week in income tax. Doesn't seem to be a bad stipend.

MTOW 2nd Dec 2012 02:10

Two boats intercepted off Christmas Island

Two boats intercepted off Christmas Island
December 1, 2012

Two boats carrying 147 people have been intercepted off Christmas Island.

Thirty-four passengers and two crew were found on board the first vessel, detected north of the island on Friday night, Border Protection Command says.

A second vessel carrying 109 passengers and two crew was detected nearby, also on Friday night.

The passengers and crew have been transferred to Christmas Island to undergo security, health and identity checks.
It's like a cracked record. The same headline, over and over and over again.

prospector 2nd Dec 2012 03:02

And very likely a well trained fifth column liberally scattered among them.

MTOW 2nd Dec 2012 03:33

Nah, I suspect they don't start their training until after they join the congregation at Lakemba mosque and learn about all the "inequalities" they "suffer" in "kuffur downunda" aka Australia.

gileraguy 2nd Dec 2012 05:37

first post in this thread

The only thing that Wong says afterwards are words to the effect that "these events are part of the past."

Worrals in the wilds 2nd Dec 2012 06:54

A 40yo male has been arrested while attempting to escape from a Darwin apartment wherein police recovered the 2 shot guns and 12 Brownings.
I'm not smelling Master Criminals here. :E
As for the wages, not every one shares your love of the tropical north ;), particularly when the work carries a constant threat of violence, politically motivated decisions, outsourced contracts and bad media. That's without considering disease; word around the campfire is that there have been some BIG Comcare payouts in the past wrt this. :eek:

Personally I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, no matter what the wages are. And I actually like the tropics. :)

Fliegenmong 2nd Dec 2012 11:28

Talking of Ethics...
Hasn't the LNP been caught out wanting for lack of ethics within QLD....

Disgraceful bunch of arse clowns, and what is so surprising, really telling is how fast they have fallen to bits,nepotism, cronyism so on and so forth...

Caltobiano, Ros Bates, the Alex Douglas Fiasco, Hoppers defection to the KAP......The 'Ol river Eel Newman sure is the red bogans best running partner.....

Sad really........

Flying Binghi 2nd Dec 2012 11:39


it has certainly been a WTF time in QLD of late..:eek:

Apparently one more little detail to sort then full steam up the straight line..:cool:


Squeaks 2nd Dec 2012 20:18

Party Time, Prime Minister? Only 6 months to your ominous prediction :ugh:

ASYLUM seekers in Indonesia have swung into party mode and labelled Julia Gillard a "hero" after learning they will receive welfare payments and rent assistance should they make it to Australia by boat.

The wannabe citizens are ecstatic the government has conceded detention centres are beyond maximum capacity and that asylum seekers would need to be released into the community while their applications for refugee status were processed.

They would be given financial and housing support - as well as free basic health care - a massive boost from their current financial status in Indonesia where many are struggling to afford food.

However the asylum seekers, based in Puncak, 80km from Jakarta, said they feared Liberal leader Tony Abbott would be successful in his bid to become prime minister.

"Mr Abbott is not good for refugees and asylum seekers, he does not like us, he is not really a nice man," said Zia Haidari, a 25-year-old Afghanistan man who has attempted - unsuccessfully - to travel to Australia by boat seven times.

"Ms Gillard seems to understand how we feel and is trying her best.

"Abdulah Sulamani, 41, heaped praise on Ms Gillard: "She is a hero, you are lucky to have this woman for your country."

Solo mother Fatemeh Khavari, 30, told News Ltd she did not have enough money saved to travel by boat to Australia and had spent time living homeless and hungry in Indonesia with her six-month-old son.

Labor's announcement was music to her ears.

"If I can get this free money and house when I come to Australia this will make life very easy for me," Ms Khavari said.

"It is very hard right now for us, I cannot afford to buy milk formula, we are very hungry. Me and my child need the generosity of the Australian people.

"If that doesn't happen my baby may die."

Ms Khavari - whose reasons fleeing Iran were "private" - said the other factor to draw her towards Australia was free medical care.

"I cannot afford to have vaccinations for my baby so I can get this in Australia.

"The praise directed at the prime minister may be unwelcome by its recipient, with voters unlikely to be impressed with the notion asylum seekers think they are coming to a country with soft laws.

A new monthly record was set in November with 2443 people arriving on boats and Ms Gillard was asked yesterday if she would bring back temporary protection visas and tow boats back to Indonesia.

The government last month announced thousands of asylum seekers threatened with processing in Nauru and Manus Island would be released in the community in Australia on bridging visas with almost $440 a fortnight plus help to pay rent.

It is understood the government is aware large numbers of asylum seekers are rushing to get on boats in Indonesia before the monsoon season and are undeterred by the government's pledge to keep them waiting in the community for protection visas for up to five years under a "no advantage" test.

Ms Gillard said TPVs and tow backs were not policy options hours before the government announced 75 people on two boats had been rescued by the Navy off Christmas Island.

"This is a complicated issue for our nation, for nations around the world," Ms Gillard told Channel 10.

"Anybody who says that there is a simple fix to you is not telling you the truth. It takes a range of policies, and we are putting that range of policies in place."

The desperation in the voices of asylum seekers in Puncak is echoed right throughout the village, where many asylum seekers come prior to embarking on the sea journey to Australia.

They eat their basic evening meals with rusty utensils scattered around. Their tiny bedrooms contain no blankets and sleep up to eight people. The days are dull with no ability to work as work visas from Indonesian officials are non-existent for the travellers.

It is this harsh reality of life in villages like Punchak combined with the arrival of news about Labor's policy backflip that is bringing about party fever and the desire to come to Australia as soon as possible.

Seventeen-year-old Adres, who does not have a surname listed on his passport, said when he arrived on Indonesian soil three weeks ago he planned to apply for refugee status through UNHCR.

But upon learning of the over-filled detention centres in Australia he was determined to travel by sea.

"This is good news for us, if we stay here and apply for status we might not be allowed into Australia, but if we come on boat we get the money and house," Adres said.

"This is a great thing and I am very thanking to the government in your country."

The Afghanistan teenager, whose father was killed in Pakistan, made the journey to Indonesia by plane. He saved for the journey and would use his money to engage people smugglers.

"It is a dangerous risk but worth it to get a new country with opportunities.

"This is party time."

Andu 2nd Dec 2012 20:52

I wonder if these people have any inkling of understanding how they were ambushed by journalist Jonathan Marshall when he interviewed them? Were the questions just a teesh leading?

Many in Queensland would be surprised to see the Courier Mail coming out with what amounts, (in many people's eyes, I would think), as an anti-Gillard piece.

...or am I allowing my prejudices to colour my perceptions of this article? Maybe most Australians are like my good friend SHY and her boss Chrissy Milne and will be "happy clapping" along with the all those hopeful "New Australians" who are so looking forward to all that free stuff for life, courtesy of... oh, courtesy of those very same "most Australians"...

Worrals in the wilds 2nd Dec 2012 22:39

If you think the Courier is ALP biased try the Rockhampton Morning Bulletin :eek:. It makes the CM look positively pro-Liberal. :E

And no, I don't think the average Aussie agrees with SHY by a long shot. Refugees are the one federal issue that I hear discussed at the moment (far more than the carbon tax or the AWU thing) and none of that discussion has been pro boat people. In fact some of the things I've heard from self proclaimed 'nice' people have (IMO) been absolutely disgraceful. :sad:

Be that as it may, I think it's more damaging to the government than any other issue, particularly because it's annoying a lot of traditional Labor voters. The Courier also knows that, and they're in the business of selling papers; hence the anti ref article.

MTOW 2nd Dec 2012 23:24

I see some wag on the Pickering Post is referring to Julia Gillard as "the Crime Minister'.

Quite droll, I thought, and a tag that just might catch on.

CoodaShooda 2nd Dec 2012 23:40

As for the wages, not every one shares your love of the tropical north

As I understand it, its a national pay scale - no local allowances. :p Just our taxes at work.

And it's the semi-arid tropics, thank you very much. (That way we have two different types of weather to complain about. :ok:)

Does it help to have a criminal past to be an up and comer in the union movement? (Sorry Worrals, couldn't resist. :O)

Worrals in the wilds 3rd Dec 2012 02:33

As I understand it, its a national pay scale - no local allowances. Just our taxes at work.
That's surprising. Make it a twenty foot pole. :eek:
As for the article, would you mind posting or pming the whole thing? I'm relying on a smartphone at the moment and the Google News dodge doesn't seem to bypass the login screen on the mobile site. :sad:

CoodaShooda 3rd Dec 2012 02:52

PM sent.......

Worrals in the wilds 3rd Dec 2012 03:03

Cheers. :ok:
Wow! What a story...:eek: if it's true of course.
I'd be more worried about her being an F/A; you wouldn't want to complain about the service!:uhoh:

Croozin 3rd Dec 2012 03:57

I received the message below from a friend who normally steers about as far clear of politics as possible. Ms Gillard, you need to know that if this bloke is now forwarding this type of email, you're in deep doodah.

..Just in case your juices were actually thinking to vote for this lot again, please read carefully and don't skim the info......then send it to every person you know including all your teacher mates and who ever else you know who voted them in!

A SUMMARY OF SERIOUS STUPIDITY - Update November 2012 - makes a point.

(1) Admission that political advisers to the government have botched decisions resulting in a cost something in the order of $20 billion.

(2) Boat refugees that have chosen to skip Nauru and go home againgiven $3000 each by the government as “compensation”.

(3) The pursuit of a temporary seat for Oz on the UN Security Council has, to date, cost a reported $40 million.

(4) 1000 new cotton/rice farms have been permitted to open in the Eastern States during the last 12 months.

(5) A revenue shortfall tipped this year of $25 billion whilst the country’s borrowings exceeds $240 billion and continues to rise.

(6) Gillard announces a $6.5 billion School Education Funding plan but is unable to say how it will be funded

(7) Dental care plan for children announced by Plibersek at a cost of $2 billion but she can’t say how it will be funded either.

(8) The price of “spin doctors” presently employed by the Federal Labor Government now costing $150 million a year

(9) Each public service employee was given a bonus of $1000 to “head off industrial unrest” at a total cost of $33 million.

(10) $320 million was promised by Gillard at the Pacific Forum Conference to help increase the number of female politicians in the Pacific.

(11) The Treasurer suggested planning to further tax the nation’s $1.4 trillion superannuation funds in an attempt to balance his 2013 budget.

(12) Australian Funding for Indonesia – 2012/13 - $578.4 million.

(13) National Broadband Network way behind schedule and blown out by another $1 billion - total cost of the project - $43 billion. Expert opinion is that this cable system will be outdated long before it is finished being replaced by wireless broadband.

(14) Failed Pink Batts Insulation Scheme – Cost $3.45 billion plus $424 million extra to repair the mess left by Minister Garret’s inefficiency.

(15) An audit has revealed that the $540 million government scheme to boost literacy and numeracy in schools has totally failed.

(16) An enquiry has revealed that the $16.2 billion “Building the Education Revolution” (BER) programme (administered personally by Gillard) has totally failed. A number of schools destined for closure & demolition in the near future had new buildings erected during the scheme.

(17) A headline from Adelaide ’s “The Advertiser” in 2009 … “OUR FUTURE MARKED BY RISING RIVERS OF RED INK”

(18) The cost of recording the first round of Carbon Tax commercials was $350,000 followed by $340,000 for the second round. That’s $690,000 before buying any airtime. Estimates also heard that the Government is planning another round of advertising to sell the Carbon Tax Labor promised not to introduce. And in anticipation of that, the creative advertising agency involved has had its contract increased by 50% to $3 million.

(19) A planned National Disability Insurance Scheme … $10 billion – promised but unfunded.

(20) Planned Child Care Subsidies …. $1.4 billion – promised but unfunded.

(21) The Immigration Department revealed that about $2 million has been spent flying 260 asylum seekers from Christmas Island to Nauru – averaging more than $7,600 per asylum seeker.

(22) Nineteen lawyers worked on the Government’s defence of the Slipper/Ashby case at a cost of $780,000 to date.

(23) A portrait of Peter Slipper in his “Speaker’s Robes” destined to hang in the halls of Parliament has been commissioned at a cost of $30,000.

(24) Bureaucratic Excesses: The Department of Agriculture, Fisheries & Forestry spent $21,000 on a single dinner. The Department of Industry spent $75,000 on just five coffee machines.

(25) Fair Work Australia has so far spent more than $1.8 million on external legal and accounting advice for its investigation into the rorting of Health Services Union funds.

(26) $79,700 was spent building three fake kitchens for the Government’s Carbon Tax advertising campaigns. Using real kitchens would have cost $5,000 a day.

(27) More than 10,000 asylum seekers arrived by boat so far this year – five times as many as Wayne Swan estimated when framing his Budget. The budget estimate of $1.1 billion was based on an average of 450 arrivals per month but actual arrivals are running at 5 times more on an average of 2,400 per month.

(28) While departmental officials refused to be drawn on the cost of the Budget blow-out we do know that in 2011/12 every boat that arrived cost taxpayers $12.8 million, or more than $172,700 for every person on board.

(29) The present Social Security and Welfare Budget for 12 months is, in round figures, $131 Billion. Assuming that there are 3 million Australians eligible for this that equates to $43,885 per person per annum. The current age pension is $15,132 per person per annum so the question remains – where does the other $28,753 go? Surely not administration?
Meanwhile Gillard has vehemently stated her opposition to pension increases for non-Labor voting pensioners. (”Sieg Heil Comrade mate?”)

(30) Gillard announced a whitepaper – “The Asian Century” - where Asian languages will be taught in all Australian schools for us to “better communicate with our Asian neighbours”. The cost will be $6 billion which is, again, unfunded whilst an implementation strategy has yet to be formed. Fact: As there are many Asian languages and dialects most Asian business transactions are presently conducted in English.

(31) Gillard announces her “Plan to Save the Murray ”. Quote: “We can deliver the extra water by investing $1.8 billion in infrastructure, water efficiency and fixing constraints like raising low bridges so more water can flow.” Unquote.

Raising bridges so more water can flow ???? Can somebody tell the fool that bridges, no matter how high or low, do not normally restrict water flow?)

(32) Water Fact 1: Gillard has “found” 450 billion litres of water at a cost of $1.8 billion to “Save the Murray ”.

Water Fact 2: Cubby Station is licensed to take 460 megalitres a year from the river. 460 megalitres = 460 billion litres so, by closing Cubby Station the problem is solved & $1.8 billion is saved. Where do we send our account?

(33) Further Fabulous Failures: (a) Grocery Watch
(b) Fuel Watch.
(c) $1 billion Cash for Clunkers failure.
(d) 450 GP Super Clinics promised …. Only 3 delivered.
(e) $2.1 billion promise of a “Laptop for every child”.
(f) $275 million “Green Loans” debacle.
(g) $534 million Solar Panel Rebate suddenly withdrawn.
(h) Promise to build 222 Child Care centres – abandoned.

(34) $38.5 million spent for a pro-mining tax advertising campaign.

(35) The gross Australian Federal Debt as at August 31st 2012 was A$244,325,881,000. ($244.3 billion) and continues to grow at $100 million a day. (That’s two hundred & forty four billion, three hundred & twenty five million, eight hundred & eighty one thousand dollars!)

(36) A random quote from “The Punch”. Headline quote: “Gillard & Swan are Failures, Not Leaders.” Quote from the text: “Mr.Swan has undermined Australia ’s international standings and jeopardised our economy. He should have been sent to the back bench, not made Treasurer & Deputy Prime Minister.” unquote.

(37) And we won’t even mention the 3 or 4 year “protection” given to Craig Thomson by Gillard …..Thomson being the Health Services Union man who, by his statement, “had his credit card stolen” by “someone unknown” to “pay for prostitutes” and then “put back in his wallet again” …… several times in fact!!

AND FINALLY, AN OBSERVATION! Her behaviour demonstrates that she knows that she is going to get tossed out at the next election so is making as many “promises” as possible to throw back at Abbott from the opposition benches. You can hear the dorsal nosed whine now, “If you hadn’t dismissed us from government you would have had a Child Care subsidy scheme now (or a Dental Plan or a School Education Funding plan etc.etc.etc. whine,whine,snivel,snivel” …..

That’s if the unions don’t do a “Rudd” on her too!

Clare Prop 3rd Dec 2012 04:13

MTOW, I have also seen her referred to as the Slime Minister and Sub-Prime Minister....

Meanwhile how about we get a parrot, teach it to say "Sleaze and Smear! Abbott!! Sleaze and Smear! Abbott!" and put it, all alone, in the house of reps. Same unlistenable screeching noise, same effectiveness when it comes to running the country, TV networks could just get file footage instead of bothering with interviews, much much cheaper.

But those who want to see JG out before the next election, be careful what you wish for, at least some people in her electorate voted for her :confused: NO-ONE voted for Carr Crash (or his missus, who apparently represents us Australian women overseas and is therefore entitled to a huge amount of taxpayers money :confused:) but he could concievably be the next PM. SO perhaps we should be glad that the GG has a huge conflict of interest and will not do anything about any of this.

I just want her remaining tenure to be as unbearable for her as possible so that she can get the karma she deserves in return for all the union members she and her cronies have ripped off ...and waiting for her and the ALP to be completely destroyed so that something NEW can come along that is honest and relevant and truly representative of Australians today. A party that would welcome a judicial enquiry into unions, for a start.

Croozin 3rd Dec 2012 05:12

Clare P, whilst not disagreeing with your premise that Carr the Despicable might "do a Gorton" and switch to the Lower House to take the Crime (sic) Minister's job, we can all take heart that to do so, he (or more accurately, the Faceless Men of Sussex Street) would have to:-

(a) find a safe Labor seat for him, and

(b) convince/coerce whoever it is who's currently holding that safe Labor seat to step aside.

From where I'm sitting, I think they'd have more trouble with (a) than with (b). And that's not to say they'd have an easy time with (b). There aren't too many Harry Jenkins out there.

I'm glad to see from your comments that I'm not the only one who was outraged at Carr's comments that the taxpayer should be happy to fork out the $100,000+ his wife's travels have cost said taxpayer since Carr became FM because, (to paraphrase Carr's comments), she's Asian, and therefore demonstrates how wonderfully politically correct Australia is to have a senior politician married to an Asian.

How incredibly, insufferably patronising, (some would say RACIST), for someone in Carr's position to say such a thing. It's on a par with the Left making allowances for governments (and terrorist organisations!) run by "other than white" races in not demanding the same standards of them as they do for "people like us". The current darlings of the Left, the Palestinians, in particular the murderous Hamas, come immediately to mind.

Worrals in the wilds 3rd Dec 2012 06:48

I'm glad to see from your comments that I'm not the only one who was outraged at Carr's comments that the taxpayer should be happy to fork out the $100,000+ his wife's travels have cost said taxpayer since Carr became FM because, (to paraphrase Carr's comments), she's Asian, and therefore demonstrates how wonderfully politically correct Australia is to have a senior politician married to an Asian.
I was totally p'd off with this too. It displayed what a dinosaur he is.

Andu 3rd Dec 2012 07:15

Yup. Me too. I found myself asking: "Does that mean, by extending Carr's twisted argument to its logical conclusion, that if his wife had been Caucasian, the taxpayer should not have been expected to pay for her first class world travels?

They are so deeply into the trough, and have been at it so long, they've lost all idea of commonsense. Pigs at the trough or kids in a candy store. Take your pick of a description. Slipper is so visible because he is a bit more outrageous than average, but they're all at it. Whatever you choose to call them, one thing remains the same - you and I are the bunnies bankrolling the mongrels. On both sides of the House. I get particularly steamed when I hear of the travel rorts they continue to pull post retirement. Why in the world should the taxpayer continue to bankroll their travel (and other expenses) on top of their over generous pensions after they've retired?

SOPS 3rd Dec 2012 07:29

And meanwhile, everything is going along really well in the rest of Australia, with news that the iconic Australian brand, Rosella, is in receivership.

But that's all ok, we will just keep spending 13 million a boat, and handing out money willy nilly to our "new arrivals"

I hope SHY and co have a happy clappy christmas.:ugh:

sisemen 3rd Dec 2012 09:45

I guess that a lot of people are thinking....

she'd have to be courtesy of Australia Post to hook up with 'radio voice' like that
I guess that the problem actually lies with Carr who still doesn't see his wife as "Australian" - and that's more racist than anything that anyone on here can dream up.

Clare Prop 3rd Dec 2012 09:50

I got the impression he was saying she was multicultural therefore somehow MORE Australian than an Anglo, or presumably aboriginal, lady. I would love to hear what Bess Price thought of that remark.

Radio voice :D

Fliegenmong 3rd Dec 2012 10:06

Can anyone post what this $13M per boat consists of? Someone said it was without factoring all the free stuff my taxes provide post interception....so how is the 13 mill arrived at?

Does it include the costs of training all the RAN crew that intercept them? The depreciation value of the Naval assets? Just curious as to how each illegal leaky boat carrying 50 odd towel heads, or Sri Lankans, or whatever war torn nation they come from, how it amounts to 13 Mill. per boat....not including (in the 13 mill) the money spent housing them in detention centers, slaughterhouses, or whatever the hell they refer to them as....

Just curious...

Fliegenmong 3rd Dec 2012 12:36

Just doesn't seem to pass the 'reasonable test' ....that's all

Worrals in the wilds 3rd Dec 2012 14:51

Hadn't heard about Rosella. :sad:

They are so deeply into the trough, and have been at it so long, they've lost all idea of commonsense. Pigs at the trough or kids in a candy store.
Spot on the money. This is the problem with professional pollies; they see privileges as rights. There was something incredibly offensive about the way he justified his expense claims because his wife talks to women. Can't he do that? Or does he think it's outside his job description? :confused: Does his wife have an existence outside being Mrs Carr, or is she just some sort of appendage?

Fliegs, I also thought it sounded expensive. Maybe it's the ALP PR budget per boat as they try to counter the bad publicity :\:}. If so, a word to the wise; gonna need a lot more than 13 million...:ouch:

CoodaShooda 3rd Dec 2012 20:03

he justified his expense claims because his wife talks to women. Can't he do that?
There's probably a fear that his innate pomposity might lead to him being accused of being condescending if he talks to a woman and thus lay him open to allegations of misogyny. As far as labor's concerned, there's only room for one misogynist in Parliament.

Buster Hyman 3rd Dec 2012 20:44

Illegal boat arrivals, what it really costs

Boat arrivals in Australia since 1976 – Parliament of Australia

Not seeing the $13 mill per boat anywhere but, according to this, Howard spent over $1 billion in the 5 years between 02-07. This Government has spent that in this year alone!!! That makes it around $200k per person by my reckoning.


Andu 3rd Dec 2012 22:08

The figure actually quoted was an average of $12.8 million per boat. Given that we've had boats with six pax and boats with 200+ pax, I suspect they're very elastic figures, and whoever it was who published them would have done better to have quoted a "per individual asylum seeker" figure.

Whatever the figure, there would be few who say it was insignificant. Just one of the hidden costs won't show up for a few years - the patrol boats' actual versus planned life cycle. The Navy would have planned for those boats to have been at sea for 'n' days a year over a period of 'x' years, with major re-fits planned and costed years ahead of time. If reports I've read about major unserviceabilities and just straightout cases of 'buggered/worn out' across the fleet are even halfway true, the long-suffering taxpayer is going to be forking out for a new fleet of patrol boats many years earlier than expected.

Or, much more likely, we'll be too broke to replace them and we'll do without and the next crop of 'refugees' will have to get themselves to Christmas Island unassisted by HMAS MaxiTaxi.

sisemen 4th Dec 2012 00:06

It's going to be the one issue which will ensure that the ALP are sunk at the next election.

Most of the 'traditional' labor voters tend to be blue collar workers and they have decidedly fixed views on unfettered immigration whether it be legal or illegal. Unfortunately this view tends to be the complete opposite of the chardonnay intelligentsia of Sussex St and the universities.

Worrals in the wilds 4th Dec 2012 00:20

This has long been Labor's dichotomy, and I think a lot of the bogan voters feel that the uniwankers and huggies have had the upper hand for far too long. Of course the conservatives have to find common ground between the Libs and the Nats, so it's not all plain sailing for them, either.

Saltie 4th Dec 2012 03:14

I agree with you, Worrals. but unfortunatealy, too many of the disaffected working class can never bring themselves to vote for "the Tories", no matter how badly Labor performs. So they "punish" Labor by voting for the Watermelons a.k.a. the Greens.

God help us, if only they could see that that's like purposely going out to get yourself a fullblown dose of AIDS to punish yourself for catching a mild case of the clap off a toilet seat.

Sarah HansenHypenTwoDads might have been put on this earth for some purpose. However, to date, it seems to me that all she's done is deprive some unknown and hopefully far distant village of an idiot and to deplete, as yet for no purpose at all, Gaia's precious oxygen stocks. The same oxygen stocks she so jealously wants to protect from the rest of us. How old is she now? Sixteen? To think, if the crazies of South Australia give her three terms in the Senate, we, the poor bloody taxpayers, will be supporting her with her fully-indexed pension plus perks for upwards of sixty or seventy years. That's unless the end-of-the-world-she-so-often-predicts-unless-we-change-our-ways occurs in the meantime.

Clare Prop 4th Dec 2012 03:31

Apparently some of the cost of flying these people back is coming from the defence budget.

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

Meanwhile if you want a laugh go to Gillard's Farcebook page, it seems her moderators have been part of budget cuts as well :E

That Miss Piggy outfit really was a fashion faux pas, is her stylist a misogynistic nut-job? please, no more pictures of it!!!! :bored: :yuk:

sisemen 4th Dec 2012 04:50

Meanwhile if you want a laugh go to Gillard's Farcebook page,
Go on Clare post a link - you know you want to :E

gupta 4th Dec 2012 05:08

Craig Thomson: It's too late so drop the case | thetelegraph.com.au

Mr Thomson has told the court that he denies being issued with two credit cards
I thought he said that someone came into his house and took them, used them and then put them back.

Now he says he didn't have them in the first place.

And he expects someone to believe him:ugh:

SOPS 4th Dec 2012 05:14

I am sure this guy lives in some sort of parallel universe:ugh:

CoodaShooda 4th Dec 2012 05:26

I guess it would save the taxpayer some money if they suspended these proceedings and just waited for him to be picked up in the eventual Royal Commission trawl net.

Politically, he's dead in the water, the allegations against him will continue to taint labor while he remains and there's no chance of the HSU membership getting their money back.

More interesting are the charges laid against his former boss.

Takan Inchovit 4th Dec 2012 05:29

This has long been Labor's dichotomy, ...
... also the Slipper dichotomy?


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