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SOPS 23rd Jul 2012 13:15

What ever Matt is smoking...I want some. I was on an overnight in Sydney two days ago, homeless Australians on the street begging.

News reports show "refugees" on Xmas, logged on to the internet, learning how to claim benifits from CentreLink (or what ever its called)

Australians ( I mean, those born in Australia) with disabilities, struggle to get help from CentreLink. (And I have first hand experience of this)

I was born in Oz nearly 60 years ago, but had "trouble" getting through Brisbane Airport Customs last night, because my Australian passport would "not read".

I think I should hop on a boat....I think I might be better off...:mad::rolleyes:

hellsbrink 23rd Jul 2012 14:01

I was looking for something else and found this. Hope it doesn't offend someone... :E

http://phillthedill.files.wordpress....ster.jpg?w=614

SOPS 23rd Jul 2012 19:11

Latest Newspoll just realesed, Labor primary vote at 28 percent. Commentators on the weekend were saying that a poll number starting with a "2" would signal a leadership battle/election.
Lets wait and hope.

Andu 23rd Jul 2012 22:26

...and two boats yesterday.

How many today, I wonder?

Buster Hyman 23rd Jul 2012 23:35


The Labor opposition of the day led by Simon Crean with K.Rudd as Shadow Foreign Minister definitely did NOT support the assault on Iraq.
Australian Labor leader Crean backs Iraq war


Australian Labor leader Crean backs Iraq war

By Richard Phillips
1 April 2003


If there were any lingering illusions that the Australian Labor Party (ALP) opposed the US-led invasion of Iraq, they were dispelled last week by the comments of the party’s parliamentary leader Simon Crean.
Formally, the ALP disapproves of a war without United Nations endorsement. As the war was launched, the party supported motions in parliament calling for the immediate withdrawal of the Australian military from the Persian Gulf. Just days later, however, Crean indicated that this “opposition” would remain a purely token affair.
Speaking on ABC television on March 23, Crean declared: “The government’s decision to commit them [the troops] was wrong but we’ve got to be realistic about this. They are there, and what we’ve got to hope for, in the current circumstances, is that their task is completed quickly and successfully.”
In other words, on paper, the ALP continues to declare publicly that the war is “wrong”. In practice, however, it has no intention of insisting on the most elementary demand of any party opposed to the war: the immediate withdrawal of Australian special forces troops, warplanes and naval vessels from the Gulf....
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...t9z10CZUVoKANK

The Sultan 24th Jul 2012 01:02

Bob Carr?
 
Who is Bob Carr and why should any American give a s what he thinks? Sucking up to Romney will get you just as shrub got you. Last time I checked the US does not need anything from Australia. I think the US is better served supporting New Zealand who has cooler vacation spots and make better movies.

The sultan

RJM 24th Jul 2012 01:11

Foreign policy and wars notwithstanding...

28%! (Gillard's approval rating)

Something is going to give way very soon!

Dark Knight 24th Jul 2012 01:26

Returning to old issues and debates of the past???

However, if memory serves me correctly it was a Labor Government which introduced or fully supported mandatory detention of illegal entrants?

“Another Boat; Another Policy Failure” J Gillard PM. Do not hear her repeating that these days or was this just another `carbon tax faux pas’ (strange way to explain a blatant untruthfulness?)

The true problem is not about refuges it is about controlling one’s border, one’s country.

A country which cannot control its borders will lose it!

allan907 24th Jul 2012 02:13


Returning to old issues and debates of the past???
It's the only thing that the left have got. They've got bugger all to smile about in these dark days.

Tick, tick, tick, tick..........

28% and Abbott outpoints her as preferred PM :}

Red_Dog 24th Jul 2012 03:37

In the Red_Dog household, the mute button is automatically activated whenever the Red Ranga comes on screen, so I don’t get to hear her voice too often. (In the car, I simply switch stations, and if the radio is on in the house, I either endure it or leave the room [and if alone, I’ve been known to throw an epithet at the radio before I’m out of earshot],)
However, I am looking forward to hearing her make one speech - her concession speech. I won’t even mind if (or, far more likely when) she tells us that we sacked her because we are too dumb to understand the “wonnerful” things she tried to do for/to the country.
Julia, on the question of stepping down and fading into well-deserved political obscurity, to borrow a phrase from the election campaign of one of your revered predecessors, (you know, the one you and your immediate predecessor BOTH supplanted as the worst Prime Minister we’ve ever had) -“IT’S TIME”.

500N 24th Jul 2012 03:43

"Who is Bob Carr and why should any American give a s what he thinks? Sucking up to Romney will get you just as shrub got you. Last time I checked the US does not need anything from Australia. I think the US is better served supporting New Zealand who has cooler vacation spots and make better movies.

The sultan"


Bob Carr is a has been who has come back for a bit of the limelight.

However, on your second point, the US might not NEED anything from Australia but you can be sure it likes having Australia where it is and what it is, a nice, politically stable country that US troops and ships like to visit.

Oh, and don't forget that super secret installation, Pine Gap plus a few others,
all of which the US finds very useful to National Intelligence.

And don't forget we are a safe haven for US Warships, so much so that the US would dearly love to have a large sea base here.

And if we don't have anything the US needs, why are you now basing 2500 US Marines in Australia plus a heap of planes ????

US better served supporting NZ ? A bit hard considering most of your ships aren't allowed in NZ territorial waters :ugh:

criticalmass 24th Jul 2012 04:36

On a lighter note:-

What's the difference between the Australian television system and Julia Gillard?

624 lies-per-second!

eagle 86 24th Jul 2012 06:31

Are there sheep in Arlington Tx?
GAGS
E86

SOPS 24th Jul 2012 06:36

What have sheep in Texas got to do with anything?:E

On another note, I am sure that with a poll number of 28%, the backroom boys will be crunching numbers and leadership rumblings will begin in earnest again, no matter what Ms Gillard says or thinks.

If anyone (including KR) actually would want the job, thats another matter.

Edited to add..another boat with 160 on board just radioed to say the need "help":mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:, all the while the [email protected]@iots that are running the place in Canberra just dither with committees!!!!!!!!

Buster Hyman 24th Jul 2012 06:42


What have sheep in Texas got to do with anything?
The ALP want to know if they are eligible to vote.

SOPS 24th Jul 2012 07:22

And while I'm at it, one more question. Where is Mr Thompson?? Things have been very very quiet latley.

allan907 24th Jul 2012 08:11

I would refer you to the post by Squeaks at #1726 on page 87.



Alan Jones this morning, with names, dates, bank account details and the Welsh Witch's involvement.
Listen to the link and weep.

MattGray 24th Jul 2012 10:16

"Out, damn'd spot! out" wail the true blue believers, washing their hands and consciences of any responsibility for asylum seekers.



The flood of refugees, the spilled blood of innocent Iraqis has nothing to do with us Liberals they protest.

But anyway even if it was caused by the Liberal Government, then Labor was in cahoots as well, they claim.,

Let me repeat, the Labor opposition of the day led by Simon Crean with K.Rudd as Shadow Foreign Minister definitely did NOT support Australia's participation in the illegal invasion of Iraq, as anyone paying attention at the time would recall.

And attempts to re-write history citing alternative constructions from the loopy World Socialist Web Site, often described as an example of left-wing extremism, and by Glenn Beck, on numerous occasions while on air, as an example of "radical Islamists, communists, socialists" all working together can do nothing to change that fact.

Anyone who ever doubts that true blue Liberal believers dwell in a parallel universe need look no further than the extraordinary spectacle of them reduced to clutching desperately at left wing extremist straws in a failed attempt to make a case.

"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is" Churchill

Buster Hyman 24th Jul 2012 10:26

No prizes for second, but like Homer in Chocolate land, you never fail to amuse. "Too Socialist" eh? Comedy gold!

But, I guess there's not a lot of blood on Juliars hands, especially when the "asylum seekers" are drowning.

Good for you though Matt. When all the other True Believers have kept quiet in defending this embarrassing Labour Government, only the true zealots continue the diatribe. Bravo Sir!

allan907 24th Jul 2012 11:39


"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is" Churchill
Oh how true!

28% and Abbott ahead as preferred Prime Minister.

tick, tick, tick, tick.........


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