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allan907 19th Oct 2012 00:59

So, we got the UN Security Council seat. Big deal. Stand by for a few days of strutting and preening from Gillard and Carr et al.

Wonder if Kruddy thinks he's up for the gig? Wonder if Jooliar thinks it would be a good place to park him out of the way?

500N 19th Oct 2012 01:34

"Stand by for a few days of strutting and preening"

You can say that again !

Who started this whole thing off anyway
(trying to get a seat on the Sec council ?)

Captain Sand Dune 19th Oct 2012 01:54

AUSTRALIA has scored a surprising and emphatic win in its bid for a seat on the United Nations Security Council, coming well ahead of its opponents Luxembourg and Finland with 140 of a possible 193 votes.
"Let me just say to you, it is always good to see Australia win," said Foreign Minister, Bob Carr, stepping out of the UN’s Great Hall in New York shortly after the vote.
"This was a big, juicy, decisive win. And it’s very, very sweet."
The vote means Australia will serve for two years as one of 10 non - permanent of the Security Council, joining the five permanent member nations in influencing crucial decisions about military interventions across the world.
International aid agency Oxfam says Australia has a chance to make a real difference to world peace following its election to the United Nations Security Council.
Oxfam Australia executive director Andrew Hewett urged Australia to make the most of its rare but brief stint at the most powerful table in the world.
"But Australia needs to hit the ground running with a clear vision if it wants to make a real difference to the peace and security of women, men and children around the world.''
So Oxfam gives policy advice to Australia now?

For historical reasons, Australia was grouped in the Western Europe & Others category, and was pitted against Luxembourg and Finland in a secret ballot for two seats of the five available seats.
Insiders had expected Finland, which began its campaign for a seat in 2001, would win easily, especially as Australia only joined the bid in 2008, when Kevin Rudd was still prime minister.
After five years and $25 million, Foreign Minister Bob Carr went into the Great Hall just before 10am (1am AEDT) saying he was "nervous" about Australia’s chances.
$25 million!!! For 2 years, that’s $34,246 for every DAY!!

Just after midday (3am AEDT), the vote came in.
The announcement that Australia had come in first must have shocked Finland, whose leaders had seemed certain they would get one of the two seats.
Instead, Luxembourg got 128 votes and Finland 108. The two nations then went to a runoff vote, Luxembourg winning with 131 votes to Finland’s 60.
Other countries which won seats on the day were Rwanda, Argentina and South Korea.
The five-year campaign to lobby for a seat on the Security Council cost $24 million, which Senator Carr said was money well spent.
So now it’s $24 million. Make your minds up boys!

"It was a modest amount to pay for us to get the endorsement of 140 countries out of 193,'' Senator Carr told the Seven Network this morning.
That’s your opinion Bob. I reckon most taxpaying Australians would beg to differ!

Mr Carr said Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s work at the UN this year had been influential, and he also acknowledged Mr Rudd for initiating the bid in 2008.
"I want to note the vindication of Kevin Rudd to enter this ballot at this time," Mr Carr said. "It was much criticised but his judgment has been vindicated."
Mr Carr said he would not engage in any "shallow mischief making" as to whether Mr Rudd would seek to claim it as a personal victory.
Really Bob? So why mention it then?

Australia had downplayed its chances of winning a seat, with those close to the lobbying saying they expected they would go to run-off battle with Luxembourg after Finland won easily.
But Australia’s Ambassador to the UN, Gary Quinlan, said at a press conference after the vote that the 140 countries that had voted for Australia had all given, and kept their word, in the secret ballot.
"People voted the way they told us they would vote," said Mr Quinlan.
Parliamentary secretary Richard Marles, also in New York, said the key to Australia winning the seat were the Pacific nations, Africa and the Caribbean nations, who had all pledged their support for Australia.
Mr Marles promised that Australia would also represent them at the Security Council.
Australia now joins the 10 non-permanent countries that will vote along with the five permanent UNSC members, China, France, UK, Russia and the US.
The permanent members retain the power of veto, meaning that one of them can stand in the way of taking military action or imposing heavy sanctions if they so decide.
Mr Quinlan said the job of the Security Council was much wider than the veto power that tended to dominate news. He said the UN currently had 130,000 troops across the ground and 15 peacekeeping missions.
He said Australia would begin observing meetings and then take its seat on January 1. He expected there would be 1500 informal and formal meetings over the coming two years.
The last Australian Ambassador to the UN, Richard Woolcott, who served on the UNSC from 1985 to 1986, said non-permanent members could have real influence on world affairs, and said three such nations were key to ending the Iran-Iraq conflict during his tenure.
Australia has served on the UN Security Council of four previous occasions.
I love how the Australian meeja report this like a win for a sporting team.
Well, now what? I guess Labour will crow about this as a win for Australia. To be fair, I expect the Libs would have as well.
When it comes to the UN, my cynicism grows. What are we going to get for our $25 million investment? Right now, all I anticipate is more expenditure and grandstanding pollies.

500N 19th Oct 2012 01:58

More gun control.

I hate the UN, WOFTAM.

gupta 19th Oct 2012 02:24

So we're right up there with Argentina & Rwanda. Rwanda????

CoodaShooda 19th Oct 2012 02:48

Not to mention Azerbaijan, Guatamala, Columbia and Togo.

We're really in the Big League now.

(I wonder how much labor is prepared to offer for my vote.
What would it be worth for a male, white, Anglican, Australian-born, middle class, private sector employed, privately health insured voter living in a long term, stable marriage with a person of the opposite sex and earning more than $80,000pa to give his vote to Julia and Co? :E)

Fubaar 19th Oct 2012 03:14

Another 74 plus a crew of three have turned up off Ashmore Reef. That fearsome risk of being sent to Nauru has all the hopefuls seriously re-considering their options, doesn't it? - not!

Meanwhile, suicide attempts on Nauru as people despair after encountering "cruel, bureaucratic indifference" to their need to get to Australia withiout delay. (From today's 'Age'.)

500N 19th Oct 2012 03:40

At this rate, we ship 100 to Nauru, leave them for 6 months to a year,
with returns and suicides, we might only have 10 - 20 left to start processing :ok:

Maybe it will work !

Takan Inchovit 19th Oct 2012 04:36

(I wonder how much labor is prepared to offer for my vote.
What would it be worth for a male, white, Anglican, Australian-born, middle class, private sector employed, privately health insured voter living in a long term, stable marriage with a person of the opposite sex and earning more than $80,000pa to give his vote to Julia and Co? )
Youse' minorities are all the same! :ok:

Clare Prop 19th Oct 2012 04:51

Someone I know put their "right to vote in an Australian election" up for auction on ebay...ebay didn't like it and took it down.

Fubaar 19th Oct 2012 05:02

I know I shouldn't be surprised, (after all, the UN is known to be about as corrupt as corrupt can get), but still I'm gob-smacked that there's absolutely no attempt to hide the fact that Australia spent - pick the amount, 24, 25, 40 million - and overall, apparently over 3 BILLION dollars BUYING (I'd make so bold to say "bribing our way to") a bloody seat on the Security Council.

...and Bob Carr says that whatever we spent, it was "cheap". Give me a break. The inmates really have taken over the asylum.

Buster Hyman 19th Oct 2012 05:47

What are we going to get for our $25 million investment?
You're assuming that the $25 million is all we'll have to spend. Let's see the final tally at the end of our term eh? :suspect:

owen meaney 19th Oct 2012 05:58

Another word for Maquarie dictionary to alter to Newspeak

Andu 19th Oct 2012 06:49

..and Bob Carr says that whatever we spent, it was "cheap".
No, our Bob said that 25 million was "a modest amount".

I'm sure there are quite a few of us who'd wince having to pay out even 1% of that "modest amount".

Croozin 19th Oct 2012 08:39

I wonder how much Rawanda had to cough up for its seat? Not 24 mill, I'd be guessing. A couple of bags of blood diamonds?

Clare Prop 19th Oct 2012 10:49

Add on the costs of all the asylum seekers they let in to look good with the UN.....

Fliegenmong 19th Oct 2012 10:57

What would it be worth for a male, white, Anglican, Australian-born, middle class, private sector employed, privately health insured voter living in a long term, stable marriage with a person of the opposite sex and earning more than $80,000pa to give his vote to Julia and Co?

EXACTLY my predicament Cooda!!.....'cept the earning 80k part!! Trying to, but well South of that, way South of that in fact :sad: And I know a coalition gummint will ensure I can earn less again whilst doing the same and/or more work!......

The Q about what has the gummint done to warrant support is , well, maybe the pensioners ...didn't they get a bigger increase in pension than they ever did under the Howard gummint with Rudd? After they marched nude or something?? :eek:

Anyways, similarly a question could be posed, what has the opposition done to warrant support?.....nothing.....yet someone somewhere posted 'At least give them a chance'.....yeah right, the last chance they had was to screw us over as best they could!

Of course the libs will say we'll keep our powder dry until election time....fair enough...
Repeal the Carbon Tax?? Bet you Brisbane to a brick they will not! The reason will be that it is now too firmly entrenched to remove....and to 'ice' it, it will be the previous governments fault ..... Big Yawn, Ho Hum... etc etc...

The Howard / Costello fiasco of a f*(ked up government ensures that I will never vote for them ever again, Red Bogans Bullshit has ensured I will not be voting for them either

I hope what WITW said was not true, I'd hate to see the man in the hat get caught up in it all (Yes, I know who his Dad was etc etc)

And the boats?? what friggin boats?? I couldn't give a flying f&*k about boats I never see, boats that never directly concern me, boats miles out off friggin anywhere....As a Queenslander, I want to know what Campbell Newman is doing about the cost of living?..nothing....increasing the cost of living with his tolls, and damaging small business by reducing the amount of money available to it by increasing the states unemployment? Smart state my @rse.....and the gentleman (?) in the speedos has a similarly inept and incompetent approach??

Costello's woeful performance as treasurer should not be forgotten by the electorate.....and the same people advising Swan were advising costello should also not be forgotten by the electorate

It is said we get the government we deserve....I don't! I don't deserve this current bunch of @rse clowns, and as a

'male, white, Anglican, Australian-born, middle class, private sector employed, privately health insured voter living in a long term, stable marriage with a person of the opposite sex'

I don't deserve to be so cruelly discarded as a contributing member of society as a coalition government will discard me

Buster Hyman 19th Oct 2012 12:14

Could it be?

Could Fleigs have typed something I agree with? Neither side warrants our support, neither has covered themselves in glory, but we probably still lean our traditional ways.

Will the Coalition repeal the Carbon Tax? Doubt it. Did the ALP repeal the GST? Nope. Pigs at the trough.

I couldn't give a flying f&*k about boats I never see, boats that never directly concern me, boats miles out off friggin anywhere
That's just head in the sand stuff. We're indirectly supporting a people smuggling industry by not having strong borders. Personally, I want the boats stopped, and a proper, humane, dignified, and safe system that accommodates refugees. Genuine refugees.

The Q about what has the gummint done to warrant support is , well, maybe the pensioners ...didn't they get a bigger increase in pension than they ever did under the Howard gummint with Rudd?
Not my pensioners. What the left hand gave, the left hand took away. Its a traditional demographic that the ALP couldn't give a flying f**k about & his "generosity" was seen for what it was, a grubby vote grabbing opportunity from a grubby little man.

CoodaShooda 19th Oct 2012 14:21

And the Hamster Wheel merrily brings us back to the "none of the above" box on the ballot paper. :E

I'm apparently everything the labor government despises (short of being a mining billionaire). So I can't support a self-declared enemy.

I've never been a fan of Abbott and Bishop and I think Turnbull would be a disaster as PM.

And my local contenders, those who I have to consider giving my vote to, make Stephen Conroy appear to be colossus among men by comparison.

WTF do we have to do to get some candidates who can instil confidence and garner respect?

500N 19th Oct 2012 14:32

I see Rupert Murdoch tweeted "WHO CARES" about Australia getting
a seat on the council.

And that it was going to cost us billions in the long run.

Captain Sand Dune 19th Oct 2012 20:14

"Defence experts" (whomever they are) have stated that Asutralia should have "modest and realistic" expectations of its seat on the UN Security Council. :hmm: Tending to agree with Mr Murdoch on this one.

WTF do we have to do to get some candidates who can instil confidence and garner respect?
Get Lee Kwan Yu in on a 15 year contract.

Buster Hyman 19th Oct 2012 22:23

I'd like to see what Hockey could do Cooda, but otherwise, I lament the low calibre of all of them in CBR.

I like the cut of LKY's gib!

Andu 20th Oct 2012 00:24

You couldn't make this up. A repeat of the live cattle exports fiasco. Yet another bill for the Libs to cover after/if they get in.

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TAXPAYERS may be exposed to millions of dollars in compensation as a result of the Gillard government's decision to ban the Abel Tasman super-trawler for two years.

Seafish Tasmania, the proponent of the 143m-long ship, has legal advice that suggests it has a good case to overturn the federal ban - imposed by federal Environment Minister Tony Burke last month - on the grounds of procedural unfairness.

Croozin 20th Oct 2012 01:00

The reality versus the spin.






18 October 2012

Border Protection Command intercepts vessel

HMAS Darwin, with assistance from HMAS Larrakia, both operating under the control of Border Protection Command, intercepted a suspected irregular entry vessel north of Ashmore Island on Wednesday.

Initial indications suggest there are 74 passengers and three crew on board.

The vessel was initially detected by HMAS Darwin, operating under the control of Border Protection Command.

For operational and safety reasons, Border Protection Command will now make arrangements for the passengers to be transferred to Darwin, where they will undergo initial security, health and identity checks and their reasons for travel will be established.

People arriving by boat without a visa after 13 August 2012 run the risk of transfer to a regional processing country.
Not a very big one, it would seem.

priapism 20th Oct 2012 02:11

Seems like Maxine McWho is about to tip a bucket of poo on to the current Government. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
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Captain Sand Dune 20th Oct 2012 06:41


Sister v sister! I wonder if "sexism" will re-defined now!:E

CoodaShooda 20th Oct 2012 08:06

She's reportedly accused Gillard's office of being sexist for leaking the questions she asked when researching the book and implying that Rudd is the ghost writer.

I think (hope) that this outpouring of faux outrage will signal the beginning of the end for political correctness in Australia. There has to be a limit to the amount of crap even laid back aussies will put up with.

If they keep going along this path, it will become electorally suicidal to be seen to be PC. :rolleyes:

Worrals in the wilds 20th Oct 2012 12:46

It always was, wasn't it? :E None of them were particularly PC.
I don't know why the last two idiots think being PC is so frightfully important. :E Judging by the opinion polls, Sportsbet and the word 'round the campfire, it isn't. More of a hindrance than anything.
IMO Aussies dislike PC more than anything. They're not against the basic principles of a fair go even if you look a bit weird/eat strange food/ subscribe to a different set of religious holidays, but PC? Electoral napalm. :ouch:

The current mob have been listening to their clever friends in the media; the same media that has two major telly networks in dire financial straits because they have nothing on that you'd want to watch or haven't already watched via nefarious download methods :uhoh:, not to mention the Australian Bolshevik Channel that tells you everything you knew they thought already...

Maybe their friends are mistaken and really don't have a clue what the average Aussie thinks, lives or breathes. :bored:

As for their right wing union 'heavies' (formerly so tough and respectable, for a given value of respectable :E), one is reminded of the old skipping rhyme...
Wah, wah, I lost my bra
I left my knickers in my boyfriend's car' :{:{:{
Once Were Unionists. :}

CoodaShooda 20th Oct 2012 14:33

and really don't have a clue what the average Aussie thinks, lives or breathes
Now, now. Mr McTernan has been visiting Australia on and off for the past 10 years and is highly regarded as a residential thinker, apparently.

(Although the last bit only applies to labor members in South Australia. Do they count in the overall scheme of things?)

Looks like the ACT election failed to deliver the overwhelming support for labor that some correspondents had predicted.

But, typical of Canberra, the party that scored the highest number of votes only got the second highest number of seats and the party with the most seats won't hold power because the party whose past supporters seem to have jumped ship at a great rate will still hold the balance of power.

Perhaps they should try a preferential voting system. (Although that would mean single member electorates, each the size of a postage stamp.)

allan907 20th Oct 2012 16:57

If even the ACT is swinging to the Liberals to tune of about 6 to 9% the writing is definitely on the wall for the Federal elections.

The watermelons are probably a bit miffed as well :}

MTOW 21st Oct 2012 00:38

ABC news this morning - Canberra local elections too close to call.

6% swing to the Libs, a 2% swing away from the Greens. (On that last stat. - there is a God after all.)

This will be causing panic in the halls of inner Labor. Canberra, made up mostly of Public Servants, is the inner keep of Labor heartland. If the Greens have lost 2% and the Libs have gained 6% there, even the most one-eyed Labor supporter will know that it translates into - at the very least - double those figure nationwide. All Labor can pray for is a major 'own goal' by the Libs, preferably by Abbott, (but Turnbull will do), and then call a quick election while everyone is outraged by whatever gaffe the Libs come up with. Myself, I think it'll have to a major one to swing a Labor victory, (even with 'vote early and vote often' and the dead rising to vote - as they will in certain seats), but it wouldn't be the first time the Libs have snatched defeat from the jaws of 'certain' victory.

Andu 21st Oct 2012 02:04

NBN Co lags behind schedule while bosses get ahead on bonuses

NBN Co lags behind schedule while bosses get ahead on bonuses
October 21, 2012
Stephanie Peatling

EXECUTIVES at the company building the national broadband network pocketed more than $600,000 in bonuses in 2011-12 despite the project running a year behind schedule.
The NBN Co annual report shows the company is spending 25 times more on executive salaries than it earned from selling broadband to customers.
The report also reveals about $500,000 in termination payments.
The opposition's communications spokesman, Malcolm Turnbull, said the report, released on Friday night, showed the roll-out of the network was a year behind schedule with 24,000 homes and businesses connected to the national broadband network at the end of last month - about 10 per cent of the company's original target.
"[Treasurer] Wayne Swan wrote an article today boasting he has empowered 'shareholders to help tame executive pay in the companies they themselves own','' he said.

''Australian taxpayers are the owners of NBN Co, and many of them may ask why executives are being paid six-figure bonuses when the roll-out is so far behind schedule and NBN costs so far above budget.''

Mr Turnbull also pointed to high spending on corporate travel and legal fees as further proof of the blowout in costs associated with one of the government's marquee infrastructure projects.

NBN Co boss Mike Quigley said in June he would forgo annual bonuses because of his objections to short-term incentive schemes. Last year it is understood he forfeited $314,000 in bonuses.

A spokesman for the Minister for Communications, Stephen Conroy, said the government did not comment on salaries but remained committed to its target of having construction completed or begun in 758,000 homes and businesses by the end of the year.
The federal government will release its budget update this week amid speculation it will need savings of up to $4 billion to maintain a surplus. Among the areas rumoured to be cut are university research grants and superannuation concessions.

Read more: NBN Co lags behind schedule while bosses get ahead on bonuses
The six figure bonus seems to be factored into the expectations of these senior executives, a certainty, just part of the salary package whatever their efforts actually achieve or do not achieve.

The same applied to the bankers during the GFC - after losing multi billions of dollars of shareholders' and depositors' money, they went to the taxpayers demanding bailouts and then quite happily voted themselves huge bonuses for all their hard work while they lost all that money.

The entitlement culture certainly isn't limited to so-called "traditional" mean street dole bludgers.

I don't see how the Libs will be able to undo this particular white elephant without causing the kind of pain (and possibly reaction) we're seeing now in Greece. And, of course, without having to pay major compensation to many who have jumped on the NBN bandwagon created by Labor.

Anyone heard if the Tamil pirates have called 000 yet demanding HMAS Taxi come and pick them up?

500N 21st Oct 2012 03:43

Not a very big one, it would seem.

Well, IMHO, taking two warships out of doing patrol work and using them as a Taxi Service is crazy. We are over using the ships as has been shown.

We don't need ships with huge guns on them to stop boats
and pick up survivors !

SOPS 21st Oct 2012 03:54

Will a 6% swing in Canberra, have the number crunchers looking at Julia's 'leadership again..or not? Ideas people?

Cacophonix 21st Oct 2012 04:00

We love you blokes but what can any of you say that makes sense in the real world?

Truth is nobody cares,


500N 21st Oct 2012 04:00

You need a viable alternative first !

Croozin 22nd Oct 2012 02:54


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should a cat among the pigeons, particularly at the ABC!

Call to privatise the ABC, SBS, Australia Post and Medibank Private
BY: ADAM CREIGHTON From: The Australian October 22, 2012 12:00AM
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THE commonwealth bureaucracy should be slashed in the interests of prosperity and efficiency, according to an Institute of Public Affairs report, which slams as "unsatisfactory and piecemeal" Labor and Coalition plans for public service reform.

The report, called Razor Cuts, Not Paper Cuts, calls for privatisation of the ABC, SBS, Australia Post and Medibank Private, cutting more than 44,000 jobs from the public sector.

Croozin 22nd Oct 2012 08:08

Cut and pasted from the Bolta bl*g, and oldie by a goodie.

Delete 'Obama', inster 'Gillard', delete 'U.S. Marine', insert 'Commonwealth cop', delete 'President', insert 'Prime Minister', delete 'America', intert 'Australia'. You get the idea. :)

I got this election prediction yesterday from a mate who lives in upper NY state:

One sunny day in the latter part of January, 2013, an old man approached the White House from across Pennsylvania Avenue where he’d been sitting on a park bench.

He spoke to the U.S. Marine standing guard and said, “I would like to go in and meet with President Obama.” The Marine looked at the man and said, “Sir, Mr. Obama is no longer President and no longer resides here.” The old man said, “Okay,” and walked away.

The following day the same man approached the White House and said to the same Marine, “I would like to go in and meet with President Obama.” The Marine again told the man, “Sir, as I said yesterday, Mr. Obama is no longer President and no longer resides here.” The man thanked him and again just walked away.

The third day the same man approached the White House and spoke to the very same U.S. Marine, saying, “I would like to go in and meet with President Obama. “The Marine, understandably agitated at this point, looked at the man and said, “Sir, this is the third day in a row you have been here asking to speak to Mr. Obama. I’ve told you already that Mr. Obama is no longer the President and no longer resides here. Don’t you understand?”

The old man looked at the Marine and said, “Oh, I understand. I just love hearing it.” The Marine snapped to attention, saluted, and said, “See you tomorrow, Sir”.
We can all only hope that we can also delete 'Jan 13' and instert 'Nov 12'.

parabellum 22nd Oct 2012 10:10

I've heard of robbing the rich to give to the poor but this is definitely the first time I've heard Swan & Wong advocating robbing the poor to give to themselves!

Buster Hyman 22nd Oct 2012 21:37

Is this Swan & Wong's swansong?

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