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prospector 5th Aug 2012 00:45

Does the Australian munificence know no bounds??? Will you soon be Australiastan???

Acting Prime Minister Wayne Swan said the current situation regarding asylum seekers cost money.

"When (Opposition Leader) Tony Abbott decides to put his wrecking ball through public policy, say no to a compromised solution, say no to offshore processing - that costs money," Mr Swan said.
Who was it that put a wrecking ball through a policy that was working??

"The Gillard government has turned our Department of Immigration into a travel agency," he said
Asylum seekers cost Australia NZ$90m | Stuff.co.nz

allan907 5th Aug 2012 02:24

Here's a little gem from the backwaters of the illegal immigrant problem.

My wife is an artist and she is a member of the local arts society.

Yongah Hill is the latest immigrant detention centre to open. It's near Northam in WA. This place is designed to house about 1200 single males (it is currently limited to a max of 650 following local protests). Money was no object in setting up and running this centre (it takes some of the spotlight away from Christmas Island). However with 650 testosterone fuelled inmates sculling around with nothing to do the following appeared in the arts society newsletter:

*The Detention Centre people are looking for artist volunteers who may care to give a 2 hour period of their time, possibly over a couple of weeks, teaching some form of art to the detainees. Unfortunately, at the moment, their budget does not extend to paying for art teachers, but the clients are very willing to do art and craft classes. If you are interested, please contact ************************** to discuss the above.
My bolding and colouring.

It can readily be argued that, unless you are a Ken Done or something similar, artists are numbered in the richest sector of the population. So while money is no object for anything else to do with immigrants the system cannot find the odd hundred bucks to pay struggling artists to lend their expertise. :ugh:

Socialist policies at work :yuk:

Andu 5th Aug 2012 04:55

I've just spent an entertaining 20 minutes scanning through Larry Pickering's site (The Pickering Post). The comments, which I'm assuming are not moderated(!), are even more entertaining than the articles.

MattGray 5th Aug 2012 08:11

Day 35 of the "Carbon Tax" and at last the long predicted Armageddon is upon us. :{

Whyalla and Port Pirie might have survived but the rest of the world is paying a heavy price for the ‘carbon tax’. Tony Abbott has at his disposal an arsenal full of weaponry to prove that the Julia Gillard inspired Armageddon is upon us.

Just take a look at what has happened since the introduction of this shattering ‘tax’:

An Australian digger has been wounded in Afghanistan.
A Qantas passenger was put on hold for 15 hours.
A BHP executive has had to give up his bonus.
Demand for locally produced 4WDs has plummeted.
A globe blew in my garage.
My football team has lost more games than they’ve won. No link provided.
A backpacker has been blinded by ‘Bali booze‘.
There has been an outbreak of influenza in the Hunter Valley.
My mate Russell’s footy tipping has gone downhill.
I keep getting in the wrong line at the checkouts at the supermarket.
I spilled some wine – something I’d never done until that damn tax.
A Swedish diplomat has been expelled from Russia for dropping a teddy bear. What country isn’t affected by the carbon tax?
Oil prices have jumped.
I’ve had a tooth removed.
Australia has had it’s worst showing at the Olympic Games in living memory. See below:

There’s a clear correlation between the carbon tax and the run of tragedies that have befell us.

The evidence is overwhelming.

Has anyone else noticed it?

glad rag 5th Aug 2012 09:05

Hmmmm I take you are trying to make some sort of point Mr Grey?

I think, with the evidence that keeps on appearing, the Carbon Tax fiasco will be on the back burner for now [and having seen your Prime Ministers speech introducing the Tax, really, are there that many deaf Australians that she had to keep repeating herself?? or was that for those whom English is not their mother tongue???] .

Captain Sand Dune 5th Aug 2012 09:44

I've just spent an entertaining 20 minutes scanning through Larry Pickering's site (The Pickering Post). The comments, which I'm assuming are not moderated(!), are even more entertaining than the articles.
Thanks for the heads up!! Funny stuff. The man needs his own TV show.

True Believers are sounding rather shrill of late........:E

priapism 5th Aug 2012 09:52

Haven't noticed any change to the climate in the last 35 days either MG.

What I have noticed is my water, power, gas and council rates go through the roof.

allan907 5th Aug 2012 09:53

The AWU scandal involving Gillard, Wilson and Blewitt has got legs. They'll be running around like headless chooks in Canberra.

What would be real justice would be to see Gillard as our disgraced ex-Prime Minister being carted off for a spell in one of Her Majesty's finest establishments to serve out a fraud sentence.

Some would say that would be appropriate given her efforts whilst an MP.

Andu 5th Aug 2012 10:22

I have to admit, to me, (and I suspect, quite a few others), the thought of Jools doing the 'perp walk' in cuffs, blanket over head or not, has some appeal. (She's done a sorta dress rehearsal already, [being carried off to a waiting car by the cops], on Australia Day. :) )

If it ever comes to pass, you'd have to admit, it'll make one hell of a miniseries.

I wonder... could the walls they're currently putting up around 'Chateau Altona' be to keep her in rather then to keep others out? Australia's own little Devil's Island?

SOPS 5th Aug 2012 12:29

Well, a new week is about to start. Lets see how many boats arrive this week and how much more of a mess Jools and Co can get thenselves into.

EffohX 5th Aug 2012 22:56

Seven days and a wakey until we see Angus Houston's committee's report.

Why do I feel that this report will prove to be about as "ground breaking" as a wet lettuce leaf slapped against dry clay?

500N 5th Aug 2012 23:02

If the Gov't spent as much money on things that needed to be spent on
instead of molly coddling Asylum Seekers and sucking up to the "Lefties,
Greenies and general do gooders in our country", then we might actually
start moving forward on things that would make this country even better
- and be able to afford to take in more people.

eagle 86 6th Aug 2012 00:00

Sorry can't agree - temperature in my loc are -3 deg overnight - oops sorry that's normal. As MG does not appear to live in Oz I can't see how he can gauge the effect of the tax.

Andu 7th Aug 2012 02:26

Labor's primary vote up 5% over the last two weeks. Julia Gillard completely out of the public eye over the last two weeks, (despite WaY-ne 'SpringsGooseSteen' and Craig 'Whyalla Wipeout' Emerson doing their damnedest to make the second tier leadership of the Party look like complete imbeciles). Something similar occurred while JG was overseas for an extended period earlier in the year.

Hmmmm.... Am I the only one who suspects there might be a tenuous link somewhere in among those stats?

Meanwhile, how many boats packed with new Labor voters have arrived while the Australian mainstream media has been focused entirely on the hunt for those elusive gold medals and naval-gazing about WaY-ne Swan's musical roots?

If you thought things couldn't get worse, wait until Swan takes over as leader. God help us all. 'Whyalla Wipeout' will become 'Allover Wipeout'.

500N 7th Aug 2012 02:53

Saw the polls and had the same thought (that Jooooolia had been absent from the front pages). Maybe she has come home to hear me into the Altona castle !!!

allan907 7th Aug 2012 03:00

Oh bugger! That means it's only a question of time before a certain someone logs on to post another fatuous thread about how it's all downhill for Abbott from here and Gillard is assured of a famous ALP victory. :hmm:

Buster Hyman 7th Aug 2012 03:43

Here he comes now Allan...


Takan Inchovit 7th Aug 2012 09:24

There are none so blind ...

The Prime Minister has called on state governments to rein in electricity price rises, saying the price hikes of the past four years cannot continue.
PM tells states to cut electricity costs - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

... and don't mention the "C" tax. :rolleyes:

Anthill 7th Aug 2012 14:54

Interesting to see that if an election were held in Qld tomorrow, the ALP would win. Campbell Newman would also lose his seat.

Campbell Newman's Popularity Dropping In Ashgrove, Poll Shows

500N 7th Aug 2012 16:25

Thought that was quite interesting re "Campbell Newman".

The knight in shining armour not shining so brightly now ?

hellsbrink 7th Aug 2012 16:53

How long has he been in charge there, 3 months or something?

500N 7th Aug 2012 17:04

I think it is 4 months.

hellsbrink 7th Aug 2012 17:04

Nice to see the locals are giving him a chance then.

500N 7th Aug 2012 17:21

I don't know why but I always thought his popularity wouldn't last.
Maybe because of the way he played the floods and then used it as a
spring board to get elected, plus he ran a hard campaign.

I think politics and the people are a bit all over the place at the moment
with Federal issues clouding state politics - Asylum seekers, GST,
Carbon Tax, Julia Gillard, Economy ..............

Just my HO.

hellsbrink 7th Aug 2012 17:42

Well, without looking into a lot of things, I guess you would have to look at HIS policies to see what the Queenslanders are thinking.

But, when looking at that "report", I spot something that shows they have used a bit of "journalistic licence".

Last night's survey of 661 residents by automated phone call polling company ReachTEL found the Liberal National Party was sitting on 42.8 per cent of the primary vote, 9 points lower than at the March election.

Labor's support was up 4.5 per cent to 41.1 per cent, while increases were also recorded for the Greens, Katter's Australian Party and "other".

The results should be interpreted with caution as the stated error margin for the poll means each figure could be up to 3.7 percentage points higher or lower than the true result.
So, on the PRIMARY vote, more of the 661 people questioned, not including the "margin for error" which I do not understand as surely ASKING people over the phone gives you a definite answer, would vote Liberal.

Move to the "two party preferred" vote and you see that figure has been extrapolated. In other words, they took the figures they had, with the unexplainable "margin of error", and made up the final figure. That "margin of error" could change their result completely, but that is not reported.

So how can that newspaper, or even ReachTEL, say, for certain, that, based on that poll of a VERY small number of people of their choosing (not random), that Campbell Newman would definitely LOSE an election if it were held today?

parabellum 7th Aug 2012 21:42

Monday nights Q & A from Queensland was a disgrace, it became a party political broadcast on behalf of the ALP, the chairman made no effort to reign in Emmerson or anyone prepared to speak out against Newman. It would appear that whilst they realised that Bligh left them with billions of debt they couldn't understand why Newman had to introduce austerity measures!:rolleyes:

500N 7th Aug 2012 21:49

I think Newman is being punished for being hard
and making some hard but needed decisions.

Andu 7th Aug 2012 22:40

I said at the time he launched his (let's face it, 'unique', from outside Parliament) bid to be Qld Premier, Campbell Newman's choice of a seat was quixotic, to put it mildly. It was always a given that he would have to introduce some very unpopular policies to redress the excesses of the Beattie/Bligh blight years, and therefore also a given that holding a marginal seat like the one he chose would be a big ask in any subsequent election. (Let's face it - it was far from certain he was going to win his seat at the last election.)

Back to matters Federal: Larry Pickering has upped the ante even more with his latest offering:

IS THE PRIME MINISTER A CROOK? - Politics - The Pickering Post

If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd be recommending Larry Pickering employ a food taster.

RJM 7th Aug 2012 23:17

I was just about to post that link, Andu. I hope Pickering's right, for his sake as well as ours. He doesn't pull any punches...

WA Premier, Brian Burke, Alan Bond and Laurie Connell all served time. The infamous Wilson/Gillard alliance emerged from the ashes of the WA Inc. scandal.

That Royal Commission did nothing to eradicate the next wave of corrupt union gangsters.

AWU boss, Bruce Morten Wilson was part of that new wave. Julia Eileen Gillard was later to become his pregnant girlfriend and partner in further crime.

Buster Hyman 8th Aug 2012 00:03

It is a gripping saga and we have the full story... a story that will cause a Government to fall.
Well, get on with it then!!!!

Fubaar 8th Aug 2012 00:42

My thoughts exactly, Buster. Pickering's playing at politics as bad as the rest of them rather than trying to solve the problem if he's holding back whatever he has to release it in teaser instalments to keep his blog's hit numbers up.

The pregnant business is a distraction and perhaps should be downplayed, if only because it will give the Gillard supporters the chance of manufacturing a Red Herring in using it to drag the attack off on a tangent.

Pickering must have something pretty substantial backing up is allegations. If he didn't, Gillard's hit men lawyers whould have shut him down by now. I just hope he's very health-aware and doesn't fall ill or meet with an accident.

CoodaShooda 8th Aug 2012 00:54

I just hope he's very health-aware and doesn't fall ill or meet with an accident.
Gillard may well be considering the same thing. Even if an innocent accident befell Pickering, it will send the conspiracy theorists running and throw fuel on the fires already lit.

And to quote myself from 25 July

The final nail in the coffin of brand labor will be the fallout from the union corruption enquiries, which I think we will find is only just starting

RJM 8th Aug 2012 02:37

union corruption enquiries
What enquiries? Labor is still shielding Craig Thomson who has yet toi be dealt with after years of investigation and there's not much being said about the HSU's other problems. Labor certainly isn't talking.

CoodaShooda 8th Aug 2012 02:56

Media enquiries, Pickering enquiries, Bolt enquiries, Alan Jones enquiries, internal enquiries (although they are usually conducted to clear the guilty) eventually lead to police enquiries, parliamentary enquiries and ultimately royal commission enquiries. :p

And the longer they roll on, the greater the associated stench in the noses of the general public.

The biggest danger to Australia is the damage that might be done by a trapped and desperate group of criminals who currently hold the keys to the Treasury. Vengeance can be a strong motivator.

I wonder whether the 5% jump in labor's popularity will disappear now that the Prime Minister is getting back on the front page?

Also waiting for the libs to do something monumentally stupid to throw public opinion back towards labor. It seems to be in their DNA.

RJM 8th Aug 2012 03:05

Let's hope you're right, Cooda.

Buster Hyman 8th Aug 2012 04:11

Also waiting for the libs to do something monumentally stupid to throw public opinion back towards labor. It seems to be in their DNA.
:D:D Probably true

allan907 8th Aug 2012 09:56

Oh what tangled webs they weave.......


Andu 8th Aug 2012 10:12

National Broadband Network revenue to fall as costs hit $37.4bn
by: Mitchell Bingemann
From:The Australian
August 08, 20126:11PM
TOTAL capital expenditure for the National Broadband Network has blown out by $1.4 billion to $37.4bn as construction-timetable changes push up the costs of Labor's flagship project.
gee, whoda thunk it?

EffohX 8th Aug 2012 10:22

Have the boats stopped arriving? Or has Wayne 'Springsteen' Goose's antics kept the new arrivals "out of sight, out of mind"?

I was interested to hear this afternoon that JUlia Gillard was "celebrading" the victory of the two Australian gold medal winners today (and tells us we shoud all be "celebrading" along with her). CelebraDing? Both the poor women had to endure phone calls from la Gillard contradulaDing them on their "vicDorees".

God I hope Larry Pickering isn't spinning us a yarn, but really does have impossible to ignore, hard evidence that will get this woman out of our lives forever - and PDQ.

I cringe to think of the photos op. with her that her minders will force upon the Olymic medal winners when they return.

CHAIRMAN 8th Aug 2012 12:24

Heard on the wireless today Julia bleating about State Govt's ripping off the 'poor electrical consumer', and she intends to 'bring them to account'.

Also looked today at my latest electric light bill and noticed, buried at the bottom:
'Qld Competition Authority estimates a a 2012-2013 carbon price impact on domestic price tariff 11 as 2.4 c/kWh etc.etc.'
This represents an increase of more than 10% of the bill I just paid from 20/4/12 to 19/7/12 (most of it seemed to be about 20c per kWhr)
BTW, my bill just paid is $665.00 for the quarter.

She HAS to be joking. Who the hell is trying to kid WHOM:ugh::ugh:

Bring on a federal election.............anyone other than Labor would win hands down. The Jedi religion/party has more credence and support than the current lot...........including of course the watermelons, and their independent clingers/on.

In over 40 years of voting, I have never, ever had a clearer focus on what party should NOT be running our country.

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