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Buster Hyman 2nd Aug 2012 12:45

Andu. Some posters on here, that are in denial, are ready to run to the hills and mount a guerilla war against those that can see right through their vacuous responses.

prospector 3rd Aug 2012 00:13

THE former union official and alleged bagman for a financial scandal linked to the then boyfriend of Julia Gillard wants to give evidence for the first time to police and prosecutors about his role and the conduct of others.
Getting interesting.

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parabellum 3rd Aug 2012 00:13

Well said Buster:ok:

MattGray 3rd Aug 2012 01:31

United Nations — Kofi Annan announced Thursday that he will step down as the U.N.-Arab League special envoy on Syria at the end of the month, citing “name-calling” and “finger-pointing”

Must be contagious as both “name-calling” and “finger-pointing” along with direct and indirect snide personal attacks have become quite the fashion around here lately.

MattGray 3rd Aug 2012 02:06

Meet Charlie Lynn.
Charlie is a former army major with 21 years service. During his army career he served in Vietnam, Singapore/Malaysia with the ANZUK force and as exchange officer with the United States Army.

A good bloke who does a lot of charity work and has done the Kokoda Track over 60 times.

Always puzzled me what a decent fellow like him was doing mixed up with the Liberals.

But the stench eventually became too much for a man of principle like Charlie -

Lynn told me he would write his resignation letter at a point on the Kokoda Trail where 68 Aussies died fighting for what they believed in. Imre Salusinszky ‏@Imresal

AFAIK Charlie is still in PNG but no surprise that his Liberal "mates" are already planning to tip a bucket of muck over him. :yuk:

Liberals vow to sink the slipper in if MP Charlie Lynn resigns

THE knives are already out for Liberal MP Charlie Lynn, with colleagues labelling him "the Peter Slipper of the NSW parliament" and threatening to unleash a dirt file if he follows through with a vow to quit the party and join the crossbenches.

Mr Lynn, who is in Papua New Guinea where he runs tours of the Kokoda Track, has said he will be handing in his Liberal Party membership as soon as he returns to Australia and sit with the Greens, Shooters and Fishers and Christian Democrats in the NSW Upper House.

The Vietnam veteran, a member of the Legislative Council for 17 years, is resigning over a decision by the NSW Liberal Party to endorse a number of property developers as candidates to run for Fairfield council in September. Source The Hun

CoodaShooda 3rd Aug 2012 02:34

Yes Matt

Politics is indeed a dirty business, regardless of which party you are observing.

But the Liberals crass behaviour does not provide an exoneration for labor.

As for name calling and finger pointing, I refer you to the videos of Federal Parliament Question Times since the 2007 election and, in particular, draw your attention to the "avoid the question but vilify the questioner" strategy adopted by those on the Treasury Benches.

Their behaviour also does not exonerate the Libs but does bring to mind the exhortation regarding stones and glass houses.

MattGray 3rd Aug 2012 02:41

But the Liberals crass behaviour does not provide an exoneration for labor.
And what pray tell Cooda mate does that have to do with me????:confused::confused::confused:

500N 3rd Aug 2012 02:44

"and sit with the Greens, Shooters and Fishers and Christian Democrats in the NSW Upper House."

I somehow can't see him supporting the Greens, more likely the CD's
based on the person who inspires him (Lt Col Honner).

Having him support the Shooters and Fishers wouldn't be a
bad thing as it would give them more numbers to screw the Gov't.

allan907 3rd Aug 2012 02:48

A master class in finger pointing, accusations and dishing the dirt:

500N 3rd Aug 2012 02:49

If Rudd hadn't have been such a pig headed individual who wanted to control
everything when it didn't need to be controlled that tightly, he might have taken the Labor party to great things.

And before I get blown out of the water, I am not a rampant one eyed
Labor supporter

We seriously need some good, solid leadership in this country at the Federal level.


MattGray 3rd Aug 2012 03:08

More cracks in the Liberal ranks after Abbott desperately tries to repair what he wreaked last week in the China Shop.

Peter Reith says the Coalition's foreign investment plan is 'crazy, stupid politics'

BY: BEN PACKHAM AND LANAI VASEK From: The Australian August 03, 2012 12:26PM

FORMER Howard government minister Peter Reith has condemned a Coalition plan to increase scrutiny of foreign investment in agricultural land and enterprises as against the national interest.

The plan, ........ has also been attacked by Labor
Anyone want to run a book on how many days Abbott has left as Liberal leader?

500N 3rd Aug 2012 03:23

Crazy stupid politics ? Really

I think you'll find a fair few voters would say otherwise.

Selling them resources is one thing but selling them the farm
is a completely different kettle of fish IMHO.

Food to China (and other countries) could be one of the biggest exports
if we put out mind to it.

The Chinese have been buying up farms by stealth in Victoria and NSW
(not sure of other areas) and it needs to be kept in check.


prospector 3rd Aug 2012 03:36

The Chinese have been buying up farms by stealth in Victoria and NSW
(not sure of other areas) and it needs to be kept in check.
The same thing is happening on this side of the Tasman, and quite often quite openly as well as by stealth Seems an exceedingly short sighted policy to sell them the land rather than what our own people can produce off the land and sell to them.

500N 3rd Aug 2012 03:45

Yes, I had read that. Short sighted is an under statement !

We'll both be castigated on here now for saying these thing !!!:O

MattGray 3rd Aug 2012 03:57

Yes, I had read that. Short sighted is an under statement !

We'll both be castigated on here now for saying these thing !!!
Make that three of us.:ok:

Everybody seems to have conveniently forgotten that it was none other than the oft reviled Bob Brown of the Greens who first broke the issue.

But my point was more about the growing disunity in Liberal/Coalition ranks.

500N 3rd Aug 2012 04:24

"But my point was more about the growing disunity in Liberal/Coalition ranks."


Yes sorry, I wasn't clear in my post, I was having a go / disagreeing
with Peter Reith.

All good:ok:

eagle 86 3rd Aug 2012 04:38

Cracks in Liberals equals chasms in labor.

MattGray 3rd Aug 2012 04:58

If ever there was any doubt about the Liberals absolute financial ineptitude, try to get your head around this little gem from the bumbling Qld Public Works Minister.

Dr Flegg announced on Tuesday that the government would sell three caravan parks which permanently house 220 families.

He said the parks were part of the Public Works portfolio, and the undisclosed profits would be directed to reducing the public housing waiting list.

Currently 30,000 Queenslanders are waiting for public housing, and 10,000 are considered homeless.

Dr Flegg said the previous government had sold off more than $60 million worth of public housing and his government was not doing anything new.

"It is a rework of the portfolio of public housing, as has been an ongoing feature for many, many years," he told reporters in Brisbane.

"If you want to see it as an asset sale, then I can understand that."

"(But) these aren't really an asset; they're losing money. They're more of a liability."

The mind boggles. Not only that he said it but that The Hun published it.

Never mind as well, the breathtaking hypocrisy of Can-do Campbell and his Treasurer Tim Nicholls who solemnly promised to be different to Bligh and not to sell assets in their first term and to take any proposals to an election to secure a mandate from voters.

Broken election promises from a Liberal leader? :confused:


500N 3rd Aug 2012 05:02


I do agree to an extent but that is partly due to Labor being a bigger target
where more chasms can occur.

Not saying the Libs are the bees knees but with a few exceptions,
they haven't that much on the table for them to get themselves in
a knot over and cause a break up.

Buster Hyman 3rd Aug 2012 05:32

I think they're a bigger target because they've gone against their core values & forgotten their beginnings. Aligning with the Greens has compromised their standing and whilst true labor voters will not abandon them, no matter how bad they smell, they've probably lost the swinging voters.

As for the farms, well that's a typically Australian problem. We have no self belief. (Perhaps that's just limited to Canberra?) How often have you seen Aussies go offshore because they can't get the support they need here to market an idea? It's the same with the food bowl idea. "Too hard", "Can't be done", whatever the excuse, there's a wealth of land here that could be opened up to agriculture, that only lacks a willingness to try. If we built desal plants in arid areas & popped a Nuclear generator next to it, it'd work. Unfortunately, there are elements around that have probably feinted reading that & will be up in arms over the risks to the Well Hung Green Spotted Tree Frog!

MattGray 3rd Aug 2012 05:59

Ironically the post mortem for the recent Melbourne election which the Greens should have won, suggests that principled voters are deserting the Greens in droves because the party voted federally en bloc with Tony Abbott on the asylum seeker bill. :yuk:

There are some levels to which not even a self respecting huggy fluff will stoop.:}

eagle 86 3rd Aug 2012 06:10

I cannot decipher where you are located but your posts indicate only a scant knowledge of the core of Oz politics.

500N 3rd Aug 2012 06:26

I cannot decipher where you are located but your posts indicate only a scant knowledge of the core of Oz politics.

Vancouver, British Colombia if I remember correctly.

On that subject, what are you doing commenting on Aussie politics
from BC ? Or are you an Aussie just over there for a while ?

No self belief - spot on.
Desal - what a WOT&M
Dead right re land that could be deeloped - if we had water.

Three things spring to mind.
1. Why a pipe has never been built from FNQ or NT to catch
the run off from the "wet"
2. Why the river just south of the Qld Border that run off into the sea
haven't been block the water sent the other way. It isn't that far in distance
and the hills aren't that high just there.
3. Why the rivers in Nth Qld haven't had water pumped the other way as well.

If this was done a long time ago, before all the crap studies / impact statements that now need to be done, we'd be set. Now they will never happen as the Greenies will oppose it.

"Well Hung Green Spotted Tree Frog!"
Agree, we have one near where I live, it's called the Growling Grass Frog !!!

MattGray 3rd Aug 2012 06:33

I cannot decipher where you are located but your posts indicate only a scant knowledge of the core of Oz politics.

MattGray 3rd Aug 2012 06:49

On that subject, what are you doing commenting on Aussie politics
from BC ?
I'm not in BC today mate. My job takes me around the globe too often to keep adjusting the location.

But since it appears to be such an important matter to some here :rolleyes: I'll get around to neutralising it one day.

eagle 86 3rd Aug 2012 07:00

Personal abuse MG?

MattGray 3rd Aug 2012 07:10

BACKSTABBING, branch stacking and backroom deals were once the domain of the NSW Labor Right. But throw in illegal tape recordings and ballot rigging and you have the Liberal Party's new-look political playbook.

A highly embarrassing secret recording of the conversation of two Liberal Party figures, one a staffer for a state MP, has sparked a flurry of legal letters and an internal inquiry by head office.

The recording reveals the extent of the backroom machinations in which endorsements for friends and relatives to be elected to local council are given in return for larger political favours such as backing certain candidates for Parliament and the state executive.

Separately, the Herald has learnt that ballot rigging has reached the highest levels of the party's political machine.

The governing body of the party has been informed that at least half the ballot papers for last year's state executive election were collected from delegates and subsequently filled in by others. An internal party investigation found that at least another 50 ballot papers had been whited-out and redone.

Such is the concern about the integrity of the ballot, a resolution was passed at Friday's state executive meeting that an ''attendance ballot'' will be held for the state executive elections due later in the year. This means delegates will have to attend in person to have their vote recorded so that factions cannot subvert the process.

Friday night's state executive meeting also took the unusual step of disendorsing all Liberal candidates for Fairfield Council. Head office was concerned about Cr Frank Oliveri's close relationship with the former Labor MP Joe Tripodi, and the fund-raising activities of Cr Oliveri and Cr Joe Molluso. Cr Molluso attended party headquarters on Friday morning and was pressed to present the books for the South West Business Forum, of which he is the registered public officer. The forum collected $50,000 at a Liberal fund-raiser in 2007, of which only $2250 went to the party.

Cr Molluso declined head office's request to inspect the forum's books. As a result, the state executive decided not to run any endorsed candidates for Fairfield Council. Cr Molluso may run as an independent, but Cr Oliveri has announced he will not recontest the local government elections due to ill health.

Party sources said the meeting also discussed the influence wielded by the state MP for Granville, Tony Issa, who has been described in the local press as the ''Graham Richardson of the Liberal Party''.

Mr Issa is also on Parramatta Council, but new regulations preventing state MPs from being on local councils mean he will leave the council at the September elections. But his likely successor is his son, Stephen, who has been endorsed to run in his father's ward.

On Holroyd Council, Stephen Issa's close friend Joe Rahme has rolled the sitting Liberal councillor Gregg Ritchie. Cr Ritchie said last night he had complained to the state executive about ''backroom deals which could tarnish the Liberal Party brand''.

Not so successful in the weekend's preselection battle for the Hills Council was Ryan Williams. His running mate was to be Cr Greg Burnett, but he pulled out last week following allegations reported in the Herald that he had embezzled $285,000 by forging cheques at a previous employer's. Cr Burnett has denied any wrongdoing.
No comment necessary!

parabellum 3rd Aug 2012 08:04

And now Shorten can't even behave himself in a pie shop! The stress of being a stalwart within a totally failed party and government must be getting to him.

SOPS 3rd Aug 2012 08:12

What did Shorten do?

CoodaShooda 3rd Aug 2012 08:27

Stormed out telling the Asian lady behind the counter that she had lost his business after, he thought, she said that a pie heated in a microwave would be "...soft, like Julia Gillard".

She says he misunderstood her accent because she said "It will be soft. I like Julia Gillard."

Shorten has been reported as having now apologised.

However, you have to wonder whether he didn't get it right the first time. :E

Buster Hyman 3rd Aug 2012 08:41

500N. My FIL said only one thing was needed to save a lot of water in Victoria, covered irrigation chanels. He also thinks we need to stop water hungry crops such as rice & cotton. He used to be a farmer in Central Vic, so I reckon he's got a fair idea of what to do, unlike the Watermelons who wouldn't even know what the second gearstick on their Range Rover was for! :ugh:

MattGray 3rd Aug 2012 08:42

Bill Shorten Vindicated.

Microwaved pies slammed as “unacceptable” by local connoisseurs

In light of claims by Carlton North shopkeeper Annie Wong that Workplace Relations minister and notorious Pies supporter Bill Shorten had firmly rejected her offer of a microwaved gourmet pie, subsequent Rudd-style confusion about her expression of confidence in the Prime Minister Julia Gillard and the subsequent release by Ms Wong of vision of the Minister entering her fine establishment,investigators went in search of the whole story.

It seems Mr Shorten must be accustomed to copping an earful about the Prime Minister. And his response suggests he’s not backward in coming forward in defending Red Rooster, as some Liberal staffers refer to the Rudd replacement.

Now that’s all very well, and we’ll leave aside the question of whether shopkeepers should be spying on law-abiding customers and releasing the vision to the press, to ask the big question of the day:

Is a microwaved pie an acceptable substitute for a correctly oven-heated offering?

In the interest of journalism, we attended “Carlton North Foods” and can sensationally reveal that a microwaved gourmet pie is no substitute for the traditionally heated alternative.

The manufacturers of Bocastle gourmet pies, whose global headquarters is in Brunswick, conveniently nearly adjacent to the Brunswick KFC, confirmed this in an off-the-record briefing.

“Yes, you can microwave a Boscastle pie, but we don’t recommend it,” a senior Boscastle source confirmed.

They’ll end up softer on workplace deregulation than Tony Abbott after a National Civic Council alumni reunion, it seems.

And certainly softer than the hard-men of Melbourne’s TV media – wearing TEN network garments – who descended on the venue, struggling to cope with the very accommodating Ms Wong’s customer video recording system, the menus of which appeared to be in Chinese.

They seemed to be devoting their not apparently mighty brain-power to the important question of extracting audio from the file or perhaps bringing in expert, possibly multi-lingual lip-readers in to figure out what Ms Wong said to Mr Shorten and what Mr Shorten said to Ms Wong.

Ms Wong is certainly diligent in her pursuit of internal security, maintaining no fewer than six cameras in her reasonably small store, in what is no doubt a constant battle with locals, thieves, debt-collectors and Collingwood-linked Pies-supporters.

The entrepreneur seemed to be glorying in the attention during the visit, urging shoppers to watch tonight’s news. Locals confirmed that the usually quiet shopping strip had been a media circus today. Many had assumed the store had been robbed such was the hubbub, although apparently Mr Wong is known to deploy rigorous counter-robbery measures of the kind that keep most in-the-know intending rogues at bay.

When we initially asked Ms Wong what all the fuss was about she seemed reluctant to go into detail about the merits or otherwise of publishing video of customers or indeed the microwaving of pies. When we introduced ourselves as a media outlet, she was far more forthcoming, even offering to pose for a photograph. We declined.

In search of answers, we asked several passers-by, including “Jacqueline” from Carlton North for her opinion:

“Microwaved pie? F#@$% that, I’d rather eat sh*&,” she explained, hopefully figuratively.

Others expressed similar views, slightly less emphatically.

Peter, wearing a baseball cap, and apparently unburdened by pressure of work, told that the contents of the microwaved gourmet pie get “unacceptable, wouldn’t eat one, far too hot to eat, mate” raising the important issue about whether microwaved pies are safely consumable, potentially raising the spectre of the microwaved pie being used as a weapon in inner-urban instances of civic violence.

We attempted to conclude the matter by carefully choosing a heated pie – the Thai Chicken Curry – and a suspiciously indistinct meaty one, purely for the purposes of research.

We can also confirm the Minister has been vindicated by his rejection of the microwaved pie, the microwave does horrible things to the structural integrity of the snack, making the otherwise firm, flaky crust into an unpleasant soggy, difficult-to-handle mess.Unfortunately for the purposes of photographic comparison, in our eating frenzy, we’d manage to finish off the microwaved pie before snapping its soggy structures, the aftermath of it gives a fair representation though.

We finished both, naturally. Though not before spilling nearly half a litre of Pepsi Max on our iPad after reading here it had become THE political issue du Jour dwarfing even Liberal Party electoral corruption and ballot rigging. With apologies to VEXNEWS.

I16 3rd Aug 2012 09:28

Doing the rounds yesterday, Pickering vs Slater & Gordon. If true, what a shameful reflection on the nation. As if giving "loony tunes Swan" the keys to the cash tin isn't silly enough:


• Apart from having the sort of head you’d never get tired of kicking, AWU boss Paul Howes’ record of protecting workers’, interests is abysmal.

• Police can’t act without a complaint and there are no complaints coming from Howes or the HSU East’s Williamson. It is no secret as to why.

• When someone like the HSU East’s Kathy Jackson files a complaint, Bill Shorten shuts her down by placing the union in administration. Anyway, Craig Thomson is nothing but a small fish among schools of sharks in an ongoing feeding frenzy.

• Howes’ union crony and co-Rudd assassin, Bill Shorten, does nothing either. (Except to plead it's an isolated case.) In fact, he goes to extreme lengths to obfuscate the blatant theft.

• Left wing law firms have become union savvy and unions have become Left wing law firm savvy. Paul Howes, makes no effort to recover those stolen members’ funds. I wonder why.

• The Gillard Government is a creation of corrupt unions, is stacked with ex-unionists (more than 50 of them) and protected by corrupt union bosses. The people who could bring down this corrupt Government (Craig Thomson, Doug McClelland and Ian Cambridge) have either been dumped or promoted to the union controlled FWA.

• Oakeshott and Windsor will not walk the plank for the sake of this nation.

• As an official of the ARU I quickly learnt the modus operandi of major unions. It wasn’t pretty then... it’s grotesquely ugly now.

• The silence is deafening from the Left wing law firm, Slater & Gordon, as accusations continue to fly from credible sources.

• It seems strange that a law firm would not immediately sue or at least take out an injunction against its accusers. Well, here you go boys, I’ll make it easy for you.

• • You (Slater & Gordon) have been complicit in fraudulent activities involving AWU officials.
• • You aided and abetted union officials in the theft of funds rightfully belonging to AWU members.
• • You knew the accounts those stolen funds moved into and out of were fraudulent accounts set up by a certain Julia Eileen Gillard, your Partner.

• How’s that? Enough for you yet? Okay, here’s some more:

• • You aided and abetted a Bruce Morton Wilson in the dispersal of those stolen funds.
• • You represented your client (the AWU) in clear conflict of interest.
• • You provided a loan to Bruce Wilson when you knew the loan assisted in the fraud.
• • You have done nothing to recover or assist to recover funds misappropriated by your clients, Bruce Wilson and Ralph Blewitt.
• • You refuse to release documentation detailing the above.

• Is that enough boys, or should I go on? Come on, it's not that hard, surely. Sue me! You’re a law firm aren’t you? You can even give yourself mates’ rates.

• There are more than 250,000 people who will see this article via blogs, 10,000 viral emails, Facebook, “The Pickering Post and its Facebook. God knows how many they will share it with!

• I notice you have bumped up your TV advertisements to convince people of your newfound ethics”. Are you feeling the pinch?
• Waste of money I’d say. Oh, unless it’s not yours.

• What is it you say, “No Win, No Fee”? Well, you won’t win this one, so you,re home free. You can’t really lose can you?

• Oh, yes you bloody can... and you know it!

• You are a disgrace and menace to the industrial law you espouse, the people you represent and to the legal profession in general.

• Come clean or come get me, you thieving, degenerate shysters

parabellum 3rd Aug 2012 12:29

Wow! That is powerful stuff I16, the depth of the merde has just increased several fold if that lot comes home to roost.

Shorten purportedly used the 'F' word to Mrs. Wong so he is a long way from vindicated yet, just another socialist animal.

I16 3rd Aug 2012 12:50

On facebook followers of S & G are asking what are you going to do about this.... nothing from S & G so think that they know they are in a corner...anyone have a contribution from their fanclub

Andu 4th Aug 2012 04:46

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

INTERNAL documents from an exhaustive police probe into a union funds scandal in the 1990s show detectives suspected former Australian Workers' Union boss Bruce Wilson and his then alleged bagman, Ralph Blewitt, were "crooks" and wanted them criminally prosecuted over a $400,000-plus alleged fraud.

The documents from the police file include letters showing leaders of the powerful AWU, which remains the most influential industrial supporter of the federal Labor government, were deeply annoyed that the two men were not charged with criminal offences.
With Larry Pickering's throwing down of the proverbial gauntlet, Slater & Gordon must find themselves between a rock and a hard place and maybe even in need of disinterested legal advice :) . If they don't sue, they're admitting that his allegations have merit, which, in a less surreal world than exists in Canberra today, should be absolutely damning to both the company and all who were partners in the company at the time; but if they sue, and there's even a faint trace of a basis to Pickering's assertions, they risk all sorts of dirt being aired in court - dirt it might be safe to assume quite a few people currently in Canberra would prefer not see the light of day, if at all, then not for another 20 years or so, by which time everyone involved will be safely retired.

Slater and Gordon have yet to answer the question whether JG was sacked or whether she resigned not long after the Fitzroy property deal. One report is saying that JG was pregnant to Bruce Wilson during this period (not that I see that as being in any way germane to the corruption and thievery of union funds allegations). However, the fact that he just happened to have a wife and family already on the scene adds another dimension to her later dalliance with the "Whyalla Wipeout" pop star Senator, who was also married at the time. (The term "serial adulterer" also appeared in the same post .)

It will be interesting to see just how closely the Big End of Canberratown closes ranks over this to shut any investigation down. My guess would be that we'll see a repeat of the recent FWA findings - they'll form (yet another) committee which will dutifully report that all is (and was) well at Slater & Gordon.

"Everything's OK, nothing to see here, move on".

CoodaShooda 4th Aug 2012 08:06

Slater & Gordon has filed the "it was a long time ago and no-one employed by the firm now was employed back then and so no-one here has any knowledge of these matters" defence.

Which, when you think about it, is not unreasonable.

parabellum 4th Aug 2012 20:33

Maybe it will come down to prosecuting individuals against whom there is evidence? (Who will all use the Clinton/Murdoch defence of, "I cannot recall"!).

hellsbrink 4th Aug 2012 20:38

(Who will all use the Clinton/Murdoch defence of, "I cannot recall"!).
Until the first one(s) get jailed and the next one decides to sing like a canary.........

Andu 4th Aug 2012 23:28

Sorry, lads, you got it wrong with:

...who will all use the Clinton/Murdoch defence of, "I cannot recall"!
The defence in this case will be:

"Eye wus young and naive."

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