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Clare Prop 1st Aug 2012 15:25

Here ya go.

John Button Lecture Video - YouTube!

Though I'd suspect that old Loose Windscreen has made enough dough now to be in the same financial league as Gina, Twiggy and co...doesn't being rich and succesful make you into one of the bad guys?

I can think of a few Midnight Oil songs that he could have been influenced by...but then we all know now that Garrett didn't mean a word of it.

allan907 1st Aug 2012 15:34

I can only presume that in Wayne's Wonderful World the sins of the rich and powerful (won by legal means) outweigh the sins of the rich and powerful won by the scheming illegal union barons.

That must be right because the Rhineharts, Forests, and Palmers of this world must be nasty bastards for risking their own money and creating jobs and wealth rather than the public spirited union officials who lie, cheat and rob the poor and impoverished who trusted them implicitly (and Greedy Gillard may well be in there somewhere).

Time for the cheerleaders to appear and tell us all that that is not so. :uhoh:

SOPS 1st Aug 2012 15:56

Ok is this a "i want to be the next PM " video or is it just c##p to make me throw up??

allan907 1st Aug 2012 16:33

They're both the same.

Be my guest http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c9...esCAINJ22Z.jpg

Fubaar 1st Aug 2012 22:25

Do you think the common thread behind this imbecility might be the ex-Blair advisor McTernan?

Some say he was behind the totally staged Australia Day 'race riot', and if so, it shows he is totally out of tune with Australian attitudes.

Is he telling these Ministers that this 'pop kultur' crap will work in their favour with Bruce and Shiela Public? I can't believe they're going off and doing it off their own bat. (I don't think Swan has the intelligence to come up with anything even remotely novel, let alone basing a speech on something so out of left (or should that be "Left"?) field as some fake working class multimillionaire Yank hasbeen pop singer.)

I did think that Clive Palmer was showing his 'out of touchness' when he said he took his 'inspiration' from Aussie pop groups "like Red Gum".

****ing Red Gum? The first word in their name describes their politics to a 't'.

500N 1st Aug 2012 22:33

Typical of the caliber of Politicians we have who "try" to connect
but always seem to fail badly.

Re the Asylum seekers, I asked a few friends and most have no problem
with Asylum seekers per se (most lived through the Vietnam refugees),
they just object to what is now occurring where we seem to need to
provide a taxi service and free benefits with no work.

Buster Hyman 1st Aug 2012 23:56

Well, this is where the latte' sipping lefties have no clue 500N. They wrongly assume that any opponents to the Red Witches plans are racist and don't want ANY refugees to come here.

The facts of the matter seem to contradict their insular views but, that is an inconvenient truth that they cannot accept.

500N 2nd Aug 2012 01:17


Agree. And because of it, people are afraid to speak up.

One of those I asked was my GF, who 3 years ago was horrified at
my extreme views of how to deal with the boats and she is a lefty
kinda teacher employed by a lefty council.

Even she now has changed her views and comes out with statements
at what she sees on the news about this whole thing is just wrong
- and not because I have tried to convert her, she just sees freeloaders
who are jumping the queue and getting no end of help doing it.

Both of us were born OS, her in NZ, self in UK.

(Still got to get her to go hunting but that's another matter !!! :O LOL)


eagle 86 2nd Aug 2012 01:36

It is not so much about whether these illegal immigrants are genuine asylum seekers or just wealthy people looking for a better life - the problem is that labor cannot protect our borders.
During my time in the mil I was involved in many exercises where the trigger was an "Orange" (it's not too hard to imagine who Orange were!) force landing on Oz shores and annexing part of the mainland. If this scenario was played out for real today labor would be crippled in trying to combat such an invasion.
PS There is evidence that Indon fishermen have landed and lived for a period of time on remote NW Oz coastlines.

500N 2nd Aug 2012 01:56


Before PC came into it, wasn't, I seem to remember the actual name
of the enemy home state was "Kamaria" or something like that.
I also strongly remember being told my Orders group map was
too close to reality in shape and location of "Kamaria":O

Agree re not being able to protect our borders but their are some
who do object to these particular A/S because of the way they are
queue jumping.

Re living undetected up north, it isn't difficult if you hide the boat
and don't get seen by the patrol planes. Every year I go days up there
without seeing anyone or anything.

Fubaar 2nd Aug 2012 02:02

eagle 86, the only difference to those old Kangaroo# exercises is that today, the current version of the Orange forces are annexing the northern and western suburbs of our major cities - and we're bankrolling them, for life, as they do so.

The one thing that's remained the same is that the 'Blue' forces don't have a hope in hell of stopping them. At least, back then, we put a pretense that we were resisting, but as I remember it, even then, the operative word was 'notional'. We couldn't even run a helicopter operation within the exercise area at Shoalwater Bay without declaring the fuel dump at Sam Hill as 'non tactical' or some such term, and the Mirages from Townsville could offer 'notional' air cover only - i.e., they could sit overhead at 30,000' for ten minutes, but didn't have the fuel to come down and sort any Orange air forces out and have enough fuel to make it back to Townsville. On K1, the Huey 01 aborted a major helicopter insert of troops when the Hueys encountered Orange forces FJs on the way in and the Mirages refused to come down to deal with them. This refusal by a mere Flt Lt mission commander to fly six slicks on into a condition red airspace caused utter consternation at Blue forces HQ and severely buggered up their war game.

So one might be tempted to ask: what's changed? When it comes to border protection today, 'notional' seems still to be the operative word.

500N 2nd Aug 2012 02:05

What ever happened to the Jindalee Over the Horizon Radar,
that you beaut, all singing and dancing can pick up anything
on sea and flying well before it gets to our waters ?

allan907 2nd Aug 2012 02:17

Doesn't work too well with wood - the original stealth material - which is what this current wave of border invaders are equipped with.

Jindalee is designed to deal with a proper military threat - ie stuff made out of metal.

500N 2nd Aug 2012 02:29

I thought it was able to pick up a whole load of things
like sea states and wave heights - and stealth aircraft.

It was a long time ago that I read info on it so thanks
for correcting me.

Slasher 2nd Aug 2012 04:07

A mate of mine once got himself a four page "fold & tear" Kamarian passport
in Derby issued by the ground boys of the RAAF there during that Exercise.

He now lives in Denam on the Kamarian isle of Tarasum and organises highly
lucrative boat rentals to Oz.

MTOW 2nd Aug 2012 04:25

Two boats (so far) today. that's five for the month... and it's only the 2nd.

Should we run a book? What're the odds? I'm going for between 50 and 55 boats for the month. OK, if I can only have one number, make mine 53 boats.

SOPS 2nd Aug 2012 06:31

I will go for 15 boats in the first week of August, and 74 for the month.

It has become time for the GG to force an election on the grounds that the government can no longer protect Australia from invasion.

allan907 2nd Aug 2012 07:00

There was a letter in the West Australian today from one of dwindling band of ALP supporters writing in defence of Jooliar's lie to the electorate.....

"it is a woman's prerogative to change her mind"

God help us! Because nothing will save the Governor General (to paraphrase someone like Jooliar and which ought to be a repeated action :E)

MattGray 2nd Aug 2012 07:24

Day 33 of the Carbon Tax and the sky still hasn't fallen. :ok:

Whyalla still standing.

No reports of whole communities vaporised.

And in tonights Invention Test Tony heads up the Blue Team.

Oops - looks like he's dishing up the same tired old bull again.
Still you have to admit he does know his audience. :}

Just how long the ultimate judges will continue to swallow it remains to be seen. Latest polling already showed a dramatic turnaround in the number spitting it out.

With the 2013 election still a loooong way off that countdown timer is going to need plenty of rewinding.

prospector 2nd Aug 2012 08:17

Day 33 of the Carbon Tax and the sky still hasn't fallen.

And the amount of Carbon being discharged into the atmosphere has decreased by what amount??

parabellum 2nd Aug 2012 08:20

So 250 about-to-become unemployed from the choclate factory and another 150 earlier this week from a motor parts factor, my, my, is there no stopping this 'booming' economy?:hmm:

Haven't seen Penny Wong on TV for ages, has she fallen from grace? They used to trot her out so regularly to spout the party line too.

CoodaShooda 2nd Aug 2012 08:31


If the "ultimate judges" you refer to are the voters, the polling suggests that they don't have a high opinion of Abbott either.

They seem to be judging labor on it's performance rather than on the opposition's utterances.

I think it was Richo who recently said that labor needs to stop focussing on AbbottAbbottAbbott and concentrate on providing good governance.

Given that most here have been saying that since someone uttered the first
"12 years of neglect", its hard to disagree with him.

Labor is in government (not opposition) and can only win from here by offering something worthwhile to the electorate (and I don't mean cheap bribes). They will not win by continuing to focus a lemming-like attack on the opposition.

But by all means, keep it up and keep this thread interesting. :E

MattGray 2nd Aug 2012 08:42

And the amount of Carbon being discharged into the atmosphere has decreased by what amount??
The climate change thread is thataway ----------------->

SOPS 2nd Aug 2012 08:44

Answer the question Matt.

Clare Prop 2nd Aug 2012 08:53

Matt I am fascinated to see how people like yourself, who seem to follow a particular party no matter what; think.

If you could tell me why Labor people think that Craig Thompson et al= OK and Tiggy Forrest et al = evil, without mentioning the leader of the opposition in your reply, that'd be great. :ok:

Cheers. Clare.

allan907 2nd Aug 2012 08:56

With news like this one can hardly blame the true believers still left on here for retreating into their corners and spitting and snarling defiance with their "hyperbowl". It's a fruitless effort but it's the only course open.

Julia Gillard's leadership has been rocked by her party's own polling, which reveals Labor would be wiped out in half the states and territories at a federal election.

The internal Labor polling, leaked to Seven News shows Labor would be left with no seats in Queensland, the Northern Territory, Tasmania or Western Australia.

The secret Government polling shows Labor's two-party preferred vote in Queensland has collapsed from 45 percent at the 2010 election, to just 36.

While in Tasmania, home to the bellwether seats of Bass and Braddon, it's plummeted 17 points to 44.

The results are even worse than previous polls and make confronting reading for the senior ministers, federal executive members and state secretaries on its distribution list.
Clare and SOPS on past performance I wouldn't hold your breath. As they say in Yorkshire - there's nowt but hot air coming from that chimney :}

MattGray 2nd Aug 2012 09:01

Peter Lord and Linda Goldspink-Lord have engaged solicitor Mark McDonald and barrister Terry Tobin QC, to take legal action against Seven, WIN and The Illawarra Mercury over their coverage of the 13-year old teenager's death on the family property near Wollongong.

Media coverage included the broadcast and publication of images of the deceased teenager lying on the ground -- obtained without the family's knowledge using long lenses and helicopters.

The Mercury ran a photo of Molly lying face-down under a sheet with her legs and feet visible, while her mother knelt beside her in great distress.

allan907 2nd Aug 2012 09:06

Breathtaking change of tack Matt

But you probably won't get any argument from anybody on here about some of the more reptilian press people.

MattGray 2nd Aug 2012 09:12

Opposition leader Tony Abbott has delivered one of his most strident criticisms of Prime Minister Julia Gillard by calling her heavy use of eye make-up a ‘cruel and vicious taunt over the carbon tax.’

Abbott was referring to the prime minister’s appearance at the NSW state Labor conference where she took to the podium wearing heavy make-up, prompting the opposition leader to brand her ‘a ginger-haired panda.’

‘Just days after introducing the most onerous anti-family, gay-friendly, pro-asylum seeker tax in Australian history the Prime Minister chose to sneer at voters by appearing in public with several kilograms of carbon smeared around her eyes!’ fumed Abbott.

Abbott said that while he had hitherto resisted commenting on the prime minister’s personal appearance, he could not accept her ‘heavy use of mascara as a weapon to taunt suffering Aussie taxpayers.’

The opposition leader said that private research commissioned by the Liberal Party showed that since the carbon tax’s introduction on 1 July over 200,000 people, including entire rural communities, had been vaporised or eviscerated by mysterious forces.

‘How do you think friends and relatives of the missing feel when they see the prime minister satirising their loss by plastering her face with carbon dust?’

Rebuffing calls to back his claims by releasing the names of towns and individuals who had disappeared, Abbott urged the media to focus instead on the ‘callous ways in which the Prime Minister and other members of the government are mocking the suffering of ordinary Australian families’.

Abbott said that Gillard’s behaviour invited comparisons with former Prime Minister Ben Chifley’s 1946 decision to engage a kabuki ensemble and serve sushi at a reception for former prisoners of the Japanese during World War II and of Gough Whitlam’s installation of bigger ceiling fans at The Lodge in the weeks after cyclone Tracy devastated Darwin on Christmas Day in 1974. Source Votesmart

SOPS 2nd Aug 2012 09:19

Its time for the ignore function.

allan907 2nd Aug 2012 09:23

5. If your thread/post is inane, offensive, whining, repetitive, provincial, boring, panders to the lowest common denominator or is of the 'Agony Aunt' variety it will be deleted.

Says it all really.

CoodaShooda 2nd Aug 2012 09:28

Come on Matt
Give us the rest of the article.
(And thanks for the link. Can do with a laugh atm.)

Agree with the sentiment about the gutter press but surprised it didn't refer to Murdoch, Bolt and Blair. You tend to expect crap from 7, WIN and the Illawarra Mercury.

Clare Prop 2nd Aug 2012 09:36

Yep, wasn't holding my breath.

MattGray 2nd Aug 2012 09:48

Come on Matt
Give us the rest of the article.
(And thanks for the link. Can do with a laugh atm.)
Glad that someone enjoyed it Cooda. And I have no problem with the rest of it - that is why I posted the link. I always like to be even handed.

BTW have you ever noticed this?

Agree with the sentiment about the gutter press but surprised it didn't refer to Murdoch, Bolt and Blair.
Plenty remains to be said about Murdoch in the wake of Leveson.

SOPS 2nd Aug 2012 10:17

In regards to the leaked "secret"poll. Surely this will spur someone to do something. I mean no seats in 4 states,at all??? It will take them years to come back from this.

As I have said before, surely they will try and do something to make the train smash a bit smaller. Or will they just keep doing bad songs and refering to Bruce for "inspiration"?

allan907 2nd Aug 2012 10:28

Who's going to want to put their hand up and take responsibility for being in the chair when the train smash happens?

I could be wrong but I don't think that Rudd will want it. Apart from anything else if he does then the Coalition will immediately start a media blitz re-running all the quotes from February in which the members of his own party told us how crap he was.

As has been discussed previously there's always the possibility of a 'sacrificial lamb' such as Crean that might, just might, salvage a bit of respectability.

A few weeks ago Richo said that if the polls over the break start with a 2 then she's out. Well, the first one started with a two and she's still there.

I suspect that, like Mr Micawber, they will keep on hoping that "something will turn up" until the smash actually happens. The smash also may not be of their timing :E

Until then they'll keep up the self-delusion that it's simply a "good government" that is finding it hard to cut through to the masses.

It has also been said that the Australian voter isn't stupid. Unfortunately Gillard and her crew think that we are (of course there are some who simply fit the ALP description and fail to see through the smoke and mirrors)

PukinDog 2nd Aug 2012 10:52

Thought I should post this here, an excerpt from today's news. Check your attics and cellars folks....

"The Kelly family will now make arrangements for Ned's final burial," said
Ellen Hollow, the great grand-daughter of Kelly's sister Kate Kelly.

Considered by some to be a cold-blooded killer, Kelly was also seen as a folk hero and symbol of Irish-Australian defiance against the British authorities.

After murdering three policemen, he was captured in Victoria state in 1880 and hanged at Old Melbourne Gaol in November of the same year. But his body went missing after it was thrown into a mass grave.

The bodies in the grave were transferred from the jail to Pentridge Prison in 1929 and then exhumed again in 2009. His remains were formally identified last year, minus the skull which remains missing.

"We appeal to the person who has the skull in their possession to return it," said Hollow in a family statement.
This game of keep-away has gone on long enough. You know who you are, now give it back.

SOPS 2nd Aug 2012 10:53

Just listened to Richo on the radio. In his opinion, if Rudd is going to put his hand up (or is that get the knife ready), it will have to be by the end of September at the latest, in order to give himself some space prior to the next election.

He said, that he felt, that if it was later than this, Rudd would not make a challenge, as there would not be enough "breathing space".

We live in interesting times.

priapism 2nd Aug 2012 11:37

Rudd is not the answer. I forget who said it and where I heard it - possibly 3aw on the weekend- but an ALP member close to the pulse called in and explained that the ALP is in the s#@t because is Rudd is more popular with the electorate but very unpopular within the party. Unless Pickering, Jones ,Flint etc succeed in exposing the very suspect relationship Gillard had with the AWU I think she will lead the Party into oblivion at the next election. I reckon the hollow men of Parliament House will be working overtime to head this off. I think the opposition is keeping it in their pocket until the election date is announced.
Interesting political times ahead.

Andu 2nd Aug 2012 12:32

It's a bit like watching yet another spoof version of that Hitler in the bunker scene with added captions, isn't it?

Daily, the words in the captions change to suit the latest disaster, but the scene remains the same - a befuddled, confused, totally delusional leader - (the face may change - Gillard/Rudd/Crean/Swan[ Swan???[!!!)], but the storyline remains the same) - so deeply buried in her/his sycophantic bunker and so totally out of touch with reality that she/he believes the situation is redeemable.

Like Hitler, you're going to need something bigger and better than a V3 'superweapon' to salvage the situation that is totally of your own making, Jools.

That's unless your 'V3' is rigging the vote. However, if you try that, I really don't think people will buy it and you might find yourself with your very own Tahrir Square.

If it ever comes to that, I'll be there.

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