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allan907 30th May 2012 15:42

And how devilishly clever of the Gillard Government

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a figure of speech by which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect

bob johns 30th May 2012 22:25

bob johns
Childish behaviour it may seem (and with all the important stuff on the back burner ) one could well be forgiven for thinking so, but what about principle? Not a lot of that in this era and CT wouldnt have thought that stunt up all by himself now ,would he ?

CoodaShooda 31st May 2012 00:56


Agreed it was not a dignified display.

However a straw poll around the office today did not find any views critical of Abbott.

To the contrary, the consensus was he was trying to uphold a principle and that this was in stark contrast to Gillard labor's behaviour.

Pinky the pilot 31st May 2012 05:33

Seems to me that as the days go by and Labor's seemingly endless talent for screwing things up is now continuous and getting worse, that the attitude of their 'attack dog' Albo is getting more and more frantic.

On some of the brief excerpts of Parliament I have seen on the various news reports Albo has seemed nearly hysterical in his denunciations of the Opposition.

Maybe now even he is getting scared?:hmm:

he was trying to uphold a principle and that this was in stark contrast to Gillard labor's behaviour.
Cooda; Agreed.

david1300 31st May 2012 10:48

Back from my 2-week holiday on the Gold Coast - not quite sure what I did to earn it, but :confused::confused:

Anyway, here's my contribution for the day:

INDEPENDENT MP Andrew Wilkie says he has been treated like a pawn and his relationship with the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, will never be the same again.
Despite their landmark agreement on watered-down poker machine reforms this past week, the crossbench kingmaker said of negotiating with Ms Gillard: ''You do feel used. I am a pawn to be moved around the board.''

Read more: Wilkie: I'm a pawn on Gillard chessboard

Andu 31st May 2012 11:09

It's OK, david1300, she told him she still respected him the morning after.

To think that the man might have led troops into battle... I'm reminded of some German general's comment about British troops in WW1 - lions led by donkeys.

Clare Prop 31st May 2012 11:19

I've been contemplating the irony of Gillard bringing in skilled (?!) migrant John McTernan, a scot, as her spin doctor um sorry "Communications Director". Were no Australians able to fill this position? Perhaps none were prepared to sink that low or are the only ones qualified already on her front bench?

Also wondering if said spin doctor advised her to show her total (selective?)ignorance of the Australian constitution re.minerals belonging to the States, in front of all those mining people.

Pondering the thought that they would rather bring in unskilled people without papers, than skilled people with papers who are here to work and pay taxes to support the unskilled ones.

And finally still wondering how Q and A can get away with calling people "fat and ugly" on TV. Very disappointed in Barry Humphries, maybe I won't vote for Sir Les after all.

CoodaShooda 31st May 2012 11:51

And while we focus on the apparently inept performances within Parliament, labor happily destroys our defence capability.Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

bob johns 31st May 2012 12:41

bob johns
Ref the degradation of spending on defence ,I read somewhere that we are ,now ,in spending terms ,per capita on defence about where we were in 1938. Good stuff ,Jools,but then Bob Carr says Dont worry about China ,the US is still there!! I think it was Thomas Jefferson (a fairly important chap in US history) said ,that the man that beats his sword and gun into a plowshare will plow for the man who did not ! We cant afford ,as a people to drown ourselves in Sport -Hollywood and crass hedonism and allow the UN (sewer of corruption )to dictate to us Australians any longer .

MTOW 31st May 2012 23:16

Anybody out there willing to bet some money on how long we'll be waiting for HMtheQ to bestow this honour on our current PM?

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

FORMER prime minister John Howard has joined an exclusive group of 24 living people to be honoured by the Queen with the Order of Merit.

Mr Howard was presented with the medal by Queen Elizabeth at Buckingham Palace overnight, with his wife Janette observing the ceremony.

Earlier this year Mr Howard was hand-picked by the Queen to receive the insignia of a member of the Order of Merit, in recognition of his distinguished service.

MTOW 31st May 2012 23:20

And the Indonesian severe crackdown on the people smugglers continues unabated...

Jakarta people-smuggler suspect Sajjad Hussain Noor goes free

by: Peter Alford, Jakarta correspondent
From:The Australian
June 01, 201212:00AM

FOR the second time in five months, a priority people-smuggling target has gone home free from Indonesia because the Australian case against him was deemed too weak to succeed.

Provisionally arrested eight months ago at Canberra's request, Sajjad Hussain Noor was deported to Pakistan on May 3.

frigatebird 1st Jun 2012 00:13

Wondered who would be the first to mention it....! :yuk:

FORMER prime minister John Howard has joined an exclusive group
For What..??

Purposely fumbling the Independance push 12 years ago..?
Self Interest there, on her part.

For standing up for an Emerging Neighbour against an Aggressive Neighbour..?
About the only thing he did that could be commended.

For making an art of Backflipping and Lying to Parliament..?
They all do it from both sides of the House.

For making it more difficult for responsible citizens to own firearms..?
While supporting Bush as 'Deputy Sheriff' in his adventures, and being on record as prepared to bring in Conscription again to raise the numbers and put the latest (expensive)military firepower in the hands of young cannon fodder.

For managing an Economy..?
Think of that every time you put your hand in your pocket to pay for Goods and Services, his is still there too taking 10% for the Government-Of-The-Day to waste, along with a cut for his In-Retirement Advisory Services.

If it is not Self interest, then the Queen's judgement is off and she, perhaps, should consider Retirement, before alzheimers takes the gloss off the better memories.
Sixty Not-Out is a respectable score for any un-elected Monach.
Unlike Howards Government being voted out and him losing his seat when the people had had enough, he still thinks he is relevant.

The current Federal government thinks it is relevant too, - shows how some delude themselves. They will get the door at election time too.

david1300 1st Jun 2012 00:23

And the internal leadership machinations continue
Rudd recruits for secret strategy to save Labor | Daily Telegraph Simon Benson Blog

THE talk around the thoroughbred circles and coalmining community of the Hunter Valley is of a curious meeting two weeks ago which has been dubbed the Singleton Pact.

As the story goes, Kevin Rudd was driving down to Canberra on May 18 - from Queensland no less - and just happened to find himself in the heart of NSW wine country.

...The pitch was a 20-seat battle plan to save NSW and Queensland MPs, based on clawing back the carbon tax. It was suggested at this meeting that ministers Bill Shorten and Anthony Albanese were on board with the idea of at least reducing the $23 a tonne price.

Whether this is true or not is another matter. But the rumour was put into play anyway as part of Rudd’s new pitch. Twenty seats was what he believed he could save through recalibrating the tax, if not delaying or dropping it altogether.

...There are other ominous signs for the PM. The night before union leader Paul Howes unloaded on the government over its foreign worker deal with Gina Rinehart, he was seen meeting with Fitzgibbon and NSW Labor boss Sam Dastyari over beers. Howes and Dastyari have been at pains to let people know they won’t get involved in another leadership challenge. In other words, they will not step in to save Gillard. They are leaving the caucus to Fitzgibbon.

And so the picture for Gillard in NSW starts to look pretty bleak. Sensing that momentum has been building again, Rudd has started to emerge from his self-imposed exile. Given that this time the push is coming not from the Victorian left but from the most powerful bloc - the combined NSW caucus - it’s no surprise Rudd has been popping up all over this state.

Worrals in the wilds 1st Jun 2012 03:42

He's like a turbine, isn't he? Just keeps on turning away, drawing energy off the Labor Party.

If the NSW caucus members want to do business with him I hope they remember to pack a nice big playmat and a box of wipes to deal with the inevitable dummy spits. :eek: Maybe also a bottle of warm milk and a Wiggles DVD. :}

What they also need to remember is that Rudd's always in it for Rudd. Not for the country, not for the party, not even for their collective glory as victors; only for Rudd.

However, the current caucus do seem to be a snivelling bunch. Have they taken these concerns to the caucus and the PM herself, or is it easier to snipe and backbite in corners, then leak to the media?
There's more than a little deja vu here, I've no doubt Rudd can see the irony.

Pinky the pilot 1st Jun 2012 05:06

Rudd's always in it for Rudd.
Aint it the truth Worrals. I also suspect that Rudd is a firm believer in the old saying; 'Revenge is a dish best served cold.'

Wiley 1st Jun 2012 08:16

According to 2GB news this afternoon, today's boat had only 4 pax and 2 crew on board.

I wonder, are the people smugglers offering Business Class travel for those willing to pay a premium fare?

Buster Hyman 1st Jun 2012 11:09

Only two crew needed for four pax Wiley. One for each exit...port & starboard!

RJM 1st Jun 2012 15:22

He's like a turbine, isn't he? Just keeps on turning away, drawing energy off the Labor Party.
I think he's more like a black hole, Worrals.

MattGray 1st Jun 2012 15:52

And while we focus on the apparently inept performances within Parliament, labor happily destroys our defence capability.
Thankfully the Libs haven't dropped the ball and rumor has it that Coalition strategists have ordered all MPs to stay in Canberra over the weekend to attend boot camp.

It is understood that they'll be concentrating on 30 metre sprints.

Buster Hyman 1st Jun 2012 16:14

Well, at least someone seems happy enough with our dwindling defence budget. :ugh:

Andu 1st Jun 2012 23:15

With Joole's massive defence cuts (following just a few short years after Kevni's announcement of massive - and totally unrealistic - expansion of our defence capabilities with his fantasy 'Force 2030'), a quick delve into fiction, (even science fiction, no less), might be instructive for some.

Short Story - Superiority - by Arthur C. Clarke

The ultimate cause of our failure was a simple one: despite all statements to the contrary, it was not due to lack of bravery on the part of our men, or to any fault of the Fleet's. We were defeated by one thing only - by the inferior science of our enemies. I repeat - by the inferior science of our enemies.
Like many of the good science fiction writers, Arthur C Clarke nailed it, with some accuracy, on where our society was heading. The Australian defence "industry's" fascination with newer, bigger, brighter, more complex, more expensive stuff that all too often doesn't work (just as Clarke's fictional General lists in the article above) could be amusing if only the dire results of the succession of poor decisions made by bureaucrats and politicians - and yes, generals, air marshals and admirals as well - did not have such potentially catastrophic consequences for the nation.

See also: Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

A SECRET chapter in the Rudd government's 2009 defence white paper detailed a plan to fight a war with China, in which the navy's submarines would help blockade its trade routes, and raised the prospect of China firing missiles at targets in Australia in retaliation.

bob johns 2nd Jun 2012 13:56

bob johns
War with China in one way or another is inevitable ,either as direct confrontation or more likely a financial strangulation. What ever--,the fifth collumn is well and truly in place to see this place go tits up and the hedonistic ,mainstream, Hollywood and sport besotted muppits will squeal --We are Australian ,you cant do this to us !!! Sorry about that, but the sooner we ,as Aussies get it through our heads is that most of our neighbors hate our guts for what we are (or were) white Christian and rich and doing nothing with the great land we have.Unlike Poland in 1939 we wont have anyone who gives a shit ,because while ever the recources continue to flow the world wont give a rodents rectum whose flag flies over the mine site .Oh yes and a disarmed citizenry as well.

MattGray 2nd Jun 2012 14:28

while ever the recources continue to flow the world wont give a rodents rectum whose flag flies over the mine site .
And the Liberals already have that flag well and truly organized.:yuk::yuk:

Isaac Hunte 2nd Jun 2012 22:31

I'm guessing this is the Liberal's response to the homophobic Tony Abbott poster spotted in Tanya Plibersek's office recently. Clive Palmer comes in at #3.


Buster Hyman 3rd Jun 2012 00:11

Well Matt, that's about the third time my responses to your rubbish have been deleted by the Mods. You're not worth the thread being shut down for, so bye, and thanks for your irrelevance.

rh200 3rd Jun 2012 05:34

Wasn't the idea of reducing our defence budget offset by having Yanky base's here. We give them land and access to our woman and provide a token defence force and they look after us.

Captain Sand Dune 3rd Jun 2012 06:58

No, lefties just don't like the concept of a well funded, armed and trained defence force.
The vast majority of uniformed people don't vote for them, but since we're talking less than 100,000 they don't really care. However what they seem to forget is the burgeoning defence industy which employs lots of civilians of voting age.

Andu 3rd Jun 2012 07:45

Today's boat brought in 150 for the assimilation* stakes.

Second suspected asylum vessel arrives
From: AAP June 03, 2012 12:57PM
ANOTHER boat suspected of carrying suspected asylum seekers has been intercepted by the navy north of Christmas Island - the second this weekend.

HMAS Ararat intercepted the vessel, estimated to be carrying 150 people, in the early hours of this morning.

Those on board will be transferred to Christmas Island for security, health and identity checks.

The arrival follows the interception of a vessel carrying an estimated 87 asylum seekers yesterday, which was also apprehended near Christmas Island.
*The question being, with the ridiculous level of imbecilic political correctness we're seeing overtaking the country, who will be expected to do the assimilating?

MattGray 3rd Jun 2012 08:06

40 boats as Abbott votes against offshore processing

The Minister for Immigration and Citizenship, Chris Bowen MP, and Minister for Home Affairs, Jason Clare MP, said the latest boat arrival today was a direct consequence of Tony Abbott and the Coalition's destructive negativity.
The boat is the 40th to arrive since Tony Abbott said 'no' to working with the Government to implement offshore processing and instead chose to play petty politics on the issue of boat arrivals.
'Tony Abbott's destructive negativity knows no bounds. He criticises the Government for boat arrivals, and yet yesterday he voted 'no' in the House of Representatives to block offshore processing legislation,' Mr Bowen said.
'But despite Mr Abbott's 'no' vote, the offshore processing legislation did pass through to the next stage of consideration. He needs to stop running away from doing anything constructive on boat arrivals and reverse his vote when the bill returns to Parliament.'
Mr Clare said it was time for Mr Abbott to act in the national interest and stop saying 'no' to Nauru and Malaysia.
'Working together we can help stop people dying at sea. We can pass legislation to introduce offshore processing,' Mr Clare said.
'If Mr Abbott is serious about stopping the boats he must stop saying no and pass our legislation to allow asylum seekers to be processed offshore.'
Joint media release with Chris Bowen MP - Minister for Immigration and Citizenship and Jason Clare MP - Minister for Home Affairs, Minister for Justice and Minister for Defence Materiel.

MattGray 3rd Jun 2012 08:31

Ministerial Media Statement from the Qld Liberal Premier
The Honourable Campbell Newman

Friday, June 01, 2012
New citizens call Australia home during Queensland Week
Tomorrow will be a very special day for more than 500 of Australia’s newest citizens who have chosen Saturday 2 June to make a Pledge of Commitment to their newly-adopted country.

Premier Campbell Newman said the Queensland Week Citizenship Ceremony, to be held at the Brisbane Exhibition and Convention Centre, will welcome candidates from 60 countries.

“This is a memorable occasion for these candidates who have chosen Queensland as their new homes,” Mr Newman said.

“Becoming a citizen represents an official sense of belonging to our country and tomorrow candidates will take the final step by taking a Pledge of Commitment.

“The Queensland Government is very proud to host this citizenship ceremony during Queensland Week, an annual celebration of our state, and will warmly welcome our newest citizens.

“People from all over the world fall in love with the Australian way of life, and what better place to settle than in our sunny state of Queensland.”

For the Aung Family, they saw Australia as a safe haven to bring up their family. Before coming to Australia on a refugee visa in 2007, Nan Aung and his family lived in the Bang Don Yang refugee camp on the North-East Thai-Burmese border. During this time they lived on rations in a small bamboo house with no electricity and were constantly faced with war and fighting.

“We have now lived here for five years and feel safe and accepted. We can’t wait to become true blue Aussies,” Mr Aung said.

For Fabian Jaramillo Arroyave and his partner Carolina, Australia was a land of opportunities. Originally from Colombia, the medical practitioners settled in Blackbutt before moving around the state and it immediately became clear they wanted to become Australian citizens.

“We wanted to be able to continue enjoying the great opportunities and lifestyle that Australia has to offer, whilst also contributing and providing back to the country,” Dr Jaramillo Arroyave said.

More than four million people have become citizens since Australian citizenship was introduced in 1949.

Clare Prop 3rd Jun 2012 09:12

It was The Greens and the High Court that said NO to Malaysia. AS well as the majority of Australian citizens who saw it as just another stupid, unworkable, expensive and inhumane Labor policy.

And most Aussies get that despite the endless "It's all Tony Abbott's fault" propaganda. We're not listening and sick of the kindergarten playground Albanese and co, with the help of Madam Deputy Speaker, have turned OUR parliament into.

Still waiting for Bowen to tell us what happens to person #801.

It's quite clear that Labor have no intention of doing anything to discourage the boats and the people smugglers.

And if like Rudd and the Oceanic Viking emotional blackmail debacle is the best they can do then we may as well abolish the defence force altogether.

tolakuma manki 3rd Jun 2012 09:32

Facts for refuge immigration
Australian Immigration Fact Sheet 60 - Australia's Refugee and Humanitarian Program

SOPS 3rd Jun 2012 10:00

Do they have any, I repeat any idea how to stop the boats? Or are Juliar an Co just closing their eyes, putting their fingers in their ears and hoping it will all go away? I cannot see any policy towards stopping the boats, just building more and more detention centres and a lot of hoping for the best.

parabellum 3rd Jun 2012 11:19

Mr Clare said it was time for Mr Abbott to act in the national interest and stop saying 'no' to Nauru and Malaysia.

Last I heard Abbott was in favour of Nauru and as stated above, it was the Greens and the High Court that stopped Malaysia.

Another stunning load of rubbish from the ALP, also known as Bullshit Castle.

glad rag 3rd Jun 2012 13:17

It really ticks me off that I can't move and be with my remaining family to see my days out. Ex aircraft mech-avionics tech/inspector/washing machine fixer/windturbine tech with a just about do everything skillset with a trained nurse/operating theater scrub nurse as partner and two children who would thrive in the new environment. Maybe I should sell up and try sailing half way round the globe and see where THAT gets me :(


RJM 3rd Jun 2012 18:18

It's become more important to the ALP that the message is maintained than the message is true.

Refer to Orwell about the power of endlessly repeated phrases.

Try this fun quiz.

What word comes to mind on hearing the following?

"11 long hard years..."

"relentless negativity..."

"helping working Australians..."

"I can't get her out of my head..."

parabellum 3rd Jun 2012 21:58

Instead of silly posters on their office wall the ALP would do well to have the following, (wish I had thought of them as originals!), as mandatory reading at the start of each day:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Andu 3rd Jun 2012 22:20

I think this has been posted before, but it's worth repeating, especially for those who believe the carbon con... sorry, tax will ease the burden of "the poor":

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that SOCIALISM would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
It could not be any simpler than that.

Clare Prop 4th Jun 2012 01:57

A few quotes from a Mr. W. Churchill

There is no such thing as a good tax.

Some see private enterprise as a predatory target to be shot, others as a cow to be milked, but few are those who see it as a sturdy horse pulling the wagon.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

We contend that for a nation to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last.

Andu 4th Jun 2012 06:46

Another boat today.

http://b logs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/from_three_a_year_to_four_in_four_days/

Under John Howard, just three boats a year. But Labor thought it knew better and opened the gates:

THE federal government has again urged the coalition to cooperate on a strategy to stop asylum seekers risking death at sea as the Australian navy intercepted the fourth boat in four days, bringing the number of arrivals this year to 3700.

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