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Dark Knight 3rd Sep 2013 06:58

Agree with hitting the mute and/or changing channels however, should Julia show up it may be even better viewing.

Saturday being joined by friends; an aged, excellent bottle of red has been selected (they will probably bring an additional one or two ) with a vintage French Champagne chilling in the fridge to be sipped during the KRudd concession speech which, hopefully, coincides with acknowledging he has lost is own seat.

Several bottles of the very best Prime Ministerial reds remain to be quaffed during the aftermath when, among the smoking ruins, Labor seek a leader replacement, to claim shadow ministerial portfolios and devour each other establishing the blame.

(I will however, eat humble pie should Labor win!)

bosnich71 3rd Sep 2013 06:58

500N .......... ref. X Rays. You and me both. Doctors and hospitals always ask the patient to take them.
Regards the incident in Tasmania, when the wife eventually got to her local G.P. his first reaction was shock at her condition, he has been our doctor for over 20 years, and his second reaction was disbelief at the registrar in Tasmania refusing the X Rays. As he said, "how can I check if there has been any deterioration in the patients condition".

Dark Knight 3rd Sep 2013 07:02


Do we really deserve mental pygmies like her?
Perhaps she has been watching KRudd too much let alone his minions throughout the Labor pardee?

The again, could it be Sarah Hanson Two Dads?

There are more than a few around in all parties.

Worrals in the wilds 3rd Sep 2013 07:38


A bit of humility and respect for the voting public would go a long way, something that at least appears to be being taken seriously by the conservatives.
I agree 100%, but the current political wisdom (now there's a tautology :}) is to be positive at all costs. Saying 'we've been a huge cock up but vote for us anyway' is not seen as a winning move. Nor is 'don't let them get too big a majority' if the last Qld state election was anything to go by. :ouch:

I'm not sure that the prevailing wisdom is entirely correct; as you say, people fe like they're getting dudded. However, I don't think any of these guys have the flair to run the ol' Beattie mea culpa routine effectively. Unlike Beattie they're also up against a reasonably well-performing Opposition. I think a lot of swinging voters dislike and distrust the Libs, but will vote for them anyway.

Re the Hospital, OMG WTF? :ugh: I hope you make a number of written complaints (including one to the relevant Minister, and in it request that he reply to you... and CC the Hobart daily newspaper :E), because that whole story sucks. :(

P.S. thanks, fellas. :O

Andu 3rd Sep 2013 07:39

I don't think Kev has it in his DNA to admit he's ever got the smallest detail wrong. Even when/if he makes his concession speech, I expect him to tell the voting public that they got it wrong in not seeing the light and voting him back in.

500N 3rd Sep 2013 07:41

Worrals

Agree re letter.


bosnich

The Hospital will only throw them out, they don't have
the space to keep them anyway so what's the point ?

bosnich71 3rd Sep 2013 08:05

500 N ... exactly.
I must admit that at the time I was too gob smacked,tired after a night without sleep and worried about the wife's health, to query either of Registrars decisions. The ward clerk on the night shift was actually in the process of admitting my wife when the shift change happened and the decision was reversed by the Registrar who, to me, was intent on proving that she was in charge.
As I said previously I spent the next 4 days trying my best to look after the patient in a motel room, bringing her take away meals etc. as she was literally too sick to get out of bed such was the pain that she was in, plus having to sit around the Hobart airport for about 8 hours waiting for a flight as there were no earlier flights available.
Since then I have determined that I will be my more usual obnoxious self if such a thing ever happens again .... the one time I wasn't resulted in the two of us being treated so badly.

Flying Binghi 3rd Sep 2013 08:53

Dont get yerself anywhere near hospital emergency on friday or saterday nights as all the beds are taken by drunken teenage girls..:mad:






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Flying Binghi 3rd Sep 2013 08:56

Our next Prime Minister has a message for both the labore party and banker boy Turnbull and the 'carbon' profiteers...

"...Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has warned the Labor Party it would be "committing suicide twice" if it tried to block his efforts to repeal the carbon tax.

Mr Abbott is standing firm, again indicating that he will retain the option of calling a double dissolution election on the issue.

"A Labor Party which persists in support of the carbon tax is just setting itself up to lose not one election but two," he said.

Tony Abbott says Labor would lose a double dissolution if it blocks repeal of carbon tax.

Mr Abbott reiterates view that election is 'referendum' on the issue.

He added that "no sane political party" would stand by a tax that had become such "electoral poison".

"If the Coalition wins the election on Saturday, the carbon tax will go," he said.

"No ifs, no buts, it is gone.

"We will do whatever is necessary to abolish the carbon tax.

"I tell you this, if we win the election, which is a referendum on the carbon tax, the last thing the Labor Party will do is commit political suicide twice by continuing to support this absolutely toxic tax."
..."



Tony Abbott warns Labor not to 'commit suicide twice' by blocking repeal of carbon tax - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)








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RJM 3rd Sep 2013 09:42

You can't say it clearer than that.

That Labor would even think of blocking abolition of the carbon tax in the upper house, having arguably lost government on the point - remember 'There will be no carbon tax under a government Oi lead', shows how poisonous to our stable two-party system the Greens really are.

The Democrats weren't so hard to put up with. A bunch of idealists who only demanded a bit of truth in advertising and no GST on books. They were easy for Labor to accommodate.

But the Greens and their deeply socialist and highly destructive wolf-in-sheep's-clothing agenda have been a different matter. The Greens have gnawed at the heart of Labor like a cancer, and in doing so have destabilised the whole show. Three witches - Milne, Hanson-Young, and Brown (in drag).

7x7 3rd Sep 2013 10:06

From the Pickering site.


Currently,the Australian Labor Party has:
A current sitting member and ex PM under investigation for fraud and other matters.
A former federal member charged with matters of fraud
Two former State members under investigation for corruption and fraud.
One member of the ALP and former Union National secretary charged with fraud.
Two former members of the ALP and Union Officials under investigation for fraud.
And an arm of a company belonging to the wife of the current PM under very close scrutiny in GB for dubious practices.
These are the people asking you to vote for them on Saturday?
You would have to be totally brain dead to even consider it considering the above.

Buster Hyman 3rd Sep 2013 10:15

So, how many days after the election until we see the pendulum shift to the Left on the War in Oz thread do you reckon?

Takan Inchovit 3rd Sep 2013 10:20

I'd give it till the first Monday. :p

RJM 3rd Sep 2013 10:24

You obviously don't live here, TI. Monday week, minimum.

RJM 3rd Sep 2013 10:32

On reflection, one of the best things about Oz is that, serious as having a totally ratsh*t government is, we still like each other, political and sporting allegiances aside.

My neighbour is a dyed in the wool Leftie, married to a schoolteacher who is even worse. They support the worst football team on the continent, and so do their kids. There is no hope for any of them.

However, we still enjoy barbecues together, lend each other tools, and the last thing I'd ever do is riot against the poor bastard because of his misguided beliefs.

Flying Binghi 3rd Sep 2013 10:52


So, how many days after the election until we see the pendulum shift to the Left on the War in Oz thread do you reckon?
.....Oh, it gunna take a while to get over the sheer corruption of rudd and the 'party' that made him leader again..:hmm:

Seems all that Church going were just a charade...

"...Last night, on a serious Australian current affairs program, Q&A, our current serving Prime Minister, a self-professed Christian, grossly caricatured the Bible..."


Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian










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Andu 3rd Sep 2013 11:15

I find myself wondering if we'll ever see Julia doing the perp walk in front of the cameras. I can't see it myself. I think, however guilty she may or may not be, some backroom deal will be done to save face (and the prestige of the office of Prime Minister), a bit like the Brits did with the Duke of Windsor in the early years of WW2 (where, for all intents and purposes, in 1940, as France was falling, he was an agent of the Germans).

I suspect, if the looooooong-delayed investigation by VicPol shows strong evidence that she was culpable and possibly guilty of fraud. (the witnessing of a document signed in Perth from Melbourne, [quite a feat] - and with a two week hiatus between the date on the document and when the signatory says he signed it being just one case in point), the System will come up with some sort of deal where she'll agree to retire on her HUGE pension and perks and keep her head well below the parapets.

Then again, these last six years have seen so many conventions tossed aside with nary a blink of an eye (by Labor), maybe we'll see a similar throwing out of convention by the conservatives. Only time will tell.

FullOppositeRudder 3rd Sep 2013 12:32

Tonight I had a phone call from someone called Kevin Rudd. I nearly dropped the damn phone in my efforts to slam it down.

It was a recording of course, but at a later meeting of locals, everyone present had received a similar call sometime during the day :rolleyes:

I didn't think our seat was all that marginal. They must really be worried - with good reason I hope. I'm going to NZ next week for a few days. If Rudd and his motley group gets back, I'll probably stay there.

Clare Prop 3rd Sep 2013 14:24

Funny you should say that, when I was in the UK last month I was thinking it might be time to move back if Labor win.

A Danish friend who has been here for decades and had a very successful shipwright business (now reduced to a one man band, like me) was saying the same thing today.

Interestingly I noticed they are "over" the PC bollox in the UK and people aren't afraid to speak out about the results of Blair's social engineering that they find abhorrent. Some also talk of Rudd with utter disgust seeing him as someone who "locks up refugees in concentration camps in PNG"

Personally I hope that the current lot of Labor MPs who don't end up in jail get shipped off to PNG with "no hope of resettlement" as well :mad::mad:

500N 3rd Sep 2013 14:37

Re AS seekers, it was interesting as they had the latest stats the other night.

4000 I think June
1500 July
50 August or something.

Either way, it has been a big drop. I SUSPECT that the figures have been doctored or Rudd would be making more of an issue of having stopped the boats.

I can't see why he wouldn't.

RJM 3rd Sep 2013 15:06

It looks as though Rudd may join the list of ALP fraudsters.

There's a dirty little document circulating at the moment giving dates, dollars and addresses of three of Rudd and Rein's residential real estate deals.

The first one, at 62 Philip St, Hawthorne Qld, if the document is correct, involved a Queensland stamp duty fraud followed by a political coverup on its discovery.

The second was a house at 41 Dilkera St in the electorate of Griffith, a house bought by the Rudds and which they claimed as their residence while Kevin unsuccessfully campaigned for the seat of Griffith. The Rudds sold the house without ever living in it.

The next deal was apparently part of an illegal phoenix scheme, ie the purchase of a bankrupt company by its own directors for a fraction of its former value and without its debts. The vendor, hidden behind a wall of trusts, was a union investment company which was a fully owned subsidiary of a company called Texberg Pty Ltd. Here's a condensed version of what happened:

Texberg bought a house at 85 Norman Crescent, Norman Park, Qld on 5/5/94 for $500,000 and spent $50,000 renovating it. Texberg sold the house to the Rudds, without advertising it, on 14/12/94 for $384,000. At the time, Texberg was being operated by ALP bagman and convicted paedophile Bill D'Arcy. The bagman's job was to pay people off for favours delivered. Based on the figures given, the Rudds benefited by at least $166,000.

PM me if you want the whole document.

Clare Prop 3rd Sep 2013 16:28

50 in August???

Google search brought up this:

Boat Intercepted | Hazara Asylum Seekers

I counted 1342 including crew.

Worrals in the wilds 3rd Sep 2013 22:20


There's a dirty little document circulating at the moment giving dates, dollars and addresses of three of Rudd and Rein's residential real estate deals.
QPol are hardly pro-Labor (their union make Sir Joh look like a leftie :eek:) so Rudd won't get any special treatment. I assume someone's sent it to them, and/or the REIQ?

On another note, what happened to 7's Sunrise? Being currently too far north to get channel 9 I threw it on this morning, and it's even crappier than it used to be. They gave the poll numbers for the Libs, ALP and Palmer but not the Greens (or Katter). The 'analysis' totally misrepresented the numbers due to the approximately 9% missing Green supporters. It was like they didn't exist; I know many people wish this were so (me included) but it isn't...:confused:

I'm not one for massive media conspiracies, but it did make me wonder. Mind you this was followed by Koch having a skating lesson and some guy dressed in a cow suit, so I turned it off before we got Plucka Duck doing the finance report or whatever came next. :rolleyes: Wasn't it a news show once??

500N 3rd Sep 2013 22:25

Worrals

No, Sunrise was never a solely news show.

It was a morning show with news.

Re Rudd Real estate investigation, I see in themedia today that
Abbott said he will hold an inquiry into the AWU dealings and
that included Gillard's role.

CoodaShooda 3rd Sep 2013 23:48


The first one, at 62 Philip St, Hawthorne Qld, if the document is correct, involved a Queensland stamp duty fraud followed by a political coverup on its discovery.
If there was a political cover-up at the time, that suggests the dirty little document has come out of the labor party rather than the libs dirty tricks unit.

I wonder if the voters of Griffith understand that a vote for Kevin is a vote for an early by-election.


Abbott said he will hold an inquiry into the AWU dealings and
that included Gillard's role.
Abbott's still pursuing a philosophy of "Dead, Buried, Cremated" then.

RJM 4th Sep 2013 04:03

It will all help to keep Gillard out of our lives in the future.

It looks as though Gillard has been offered an associate professorship at my local university. A reward for a job well done, I don't think.

If the allegations about her are true, she doesn't deserve any further public funding.

7x7 4th Sep 2013 10:14

Imagine having to endure that dreadful atonal drone for an hour, let alone for a whole semester, from the podium as part of your course. Then again, anyone doing political science - or what passes for political science in Australian universities (aka Left Wing indoctrination 101) - possibly deserves it.

I'd like to see part of the settlement that saves her from gaol time being she never makes a public appearance in any form ever again.

Andu 4th Sep 2013 22:35

A new low for Kevni's boys?

No Cookies | thetelegraph.com.au

They must be getting desperate to be following the American model to this extent.

7x7 4th Sep 2013 22:47

On ABC radio this morning, a news article about doctors and human rights lawyers demanding that a two year old refugee be transported to Sydney. The child is suffering from severe Downs Syndrome and other disabilities. Face it: if you were in a Third World country and the parent of this unfortunate child and there was this other country far, far away where the taxpayers of that country would pay all your child's medical expenses and a carer's allowance to you - for life - wouldn't you fork out $10,000 to $20,000 to a people smuggler?

There's an alternative argument: there are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of deserving people in countries other than Australia with equally compelling and equally heartbreaking stories. Is the Australian taxpayer someone responsible for each and every one of them who manages to present themselves - uninvited - at our borders?

500N 4th Sep 2013 23:14

I just voted. Got it over and done with.

CoodaShooda 5th Sep 2013 00:38

Voted yesterday as I'm flying to, of all places, Canberra on Saturday.

Won't get to the hotel until around 2100 so will "sadly" miss a lot of the coverage. :D

I'll be able to report on the mood in the National Capital over the following week. :E

I heard a report this morning that 2 million early votes have been cast so far.
What's that; around 20%?

Flying Binghi 5th Sep 2013 01:21

Hmmm... Banker boy has been relatively quiet this time...

2007 "the Coalition's Environment Minister, Malcolm Turnbull, kicked an own goal in Howard's face this week, after leaks that he had tried to persuade cabinet to ratify Kyoto. Turnbull denies leaking the story..."


An omen...
2007 "It was hilarious seeing Kevin Rudd give a press conference on renewable energy at a Townsville school on Tuesday, when the wind and solar batteries failed and plunged the room into darkness. The media questioning continued, but under the thin light of the battery-operated TV cameras.

..an omen of things to come if climate-change hysteria continues and the desire to drastically slash carbon emissions overrides reality...."



Dead treaty, but Labor's flogging it - Opinion - smh.com.au







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Andu 5th Sep 2013 02:15

I for one am looking forward to complaining here about what (I think) Tony Abbott is getting wrong as he attempts to unravel the damage done over the last six years. I'm sure I'll be joined by a very loud chorus from the ALPBC and Fairfax as their "reporters" suddenly rediscover their ability to question what governments do (an ability that has been sorely lacking in 99% of them these last six years).

Here's a suggestion for Tony Abbott. Put a photograph - a very large one - of Malcolm Fraser beside your shaving mirror. Say to self EVERY MORNING: "I will not make the same mistake this man did in 1976".

Buster Hyman 5th Sep 2013 02:35

Is Leigh Sales just Bill Lawry in a wig?

dat581 5th Sep 2013 03:42

No. She has far less integrity than Bill Lawry.

RJM 5th Sep 2013 03:59

Nor, I think, the same reputation as a great opener.

chuboy 5th Sep 2013 06:34

Anyone else underwhelmed by Hockey's "costings"? A less-than-half a percent improvement to the budget bottom line. Sorry but I don't think that's a great achievement from a party who has bored us half to death repeating the mantra of End The Waste.

500N 5th Sep 2013 06:38

Yes, haven't read it in detail but it hasn't set the world on fire.

I really think they needed to do so or at least have some
sort of "bang".

chuboy 5th Sep 2013 06:59

Meanwhile, internet filtering rears its ugly head again, this time from the Coalition.

500N 5th Sep 2013 07:04

I don't have a problem with opt out laws ;)

As they say, it empowers parents !!!


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