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Arm out the window 17th Jun 2013 23:14

If the media-fuelled parliamentary shenanigans are beyond a joke, then the suggestion that a quick re-re-change of leadership will fix all Labor's problems is beyond beyond.

To flog an overused metaphor one more time, putting Ruddy back at the helm isn't going to make one iota of difference to the Titanic's collision course.

At least, I hope we aren't collectively that dumb ...

500N 17th Jun 2013 23:38

Arm out the Window

All the media commentary / articles I have heard or seen has
said that the Labor party needs a hell of a lot more than a change.

So I think people realize.

And to be honest, I don't know why Rudd wants the job.

sisemen 18th Jun 2013 00:32

And to be honest, I don't know why Rudd wants the job.
You haven't factored in the fact that he's a megalomaniac who wants revenge on the woman (and others) who dudded him.

I've personal experience of types like this. Eventually they self-immolate.

BenThere 18th Jun 2013 00:49

Newspapers? Thanks, it's been a pleasure.
I still look forward to The Australian newspaper when I travel to Oz. I think it's one of a handful of the finest journals in the world. It has quality writing and editing, depth, balance and scope - all of which are rare commodities.

My opinion is, of American newspapers, only the Wall Street Journal rises to the level of The Australian.

Worrals in the wilds 18th Jun 2013 00:49

It amazes me how much the media still fawn over him. IMO they're starting to look really stupid.

chuboy 18th Jun 2013 01:26

Originally Posted by BenThere (Post 7897155)
I still look forward to The Australian newspaper when I travel to Oz. I think it's one of a handful of the finest journals in the world. It has quality writing and editing, depth, balance and scope - all of which are rare commodities.

My opinion is, of American newspapers, only the Wall Street Journal rises to the level of The Australian.

Thanks for that, almost spat out my breakfast! :p

500N 18th Jun 2013 01:29



I think he provides them so much better sound bites / news coverage.
That's not the whole reason but one of them.

All they seem to have shown this whole week is people swooning
over him in Qld, schools, shopping centres etc.

Cactusjack 18th Jun 2013 02:20

And now Peter 'media tart' Beattie is making a desperate appearance, drawing out the 'Lets get Bob Hawke to mediate Kevin07 and Joolia line'. Yes indeed, good old Bob pulling the two naughty kids into a corner and scolding them for not playing nicely! You can just see it now;

'Kevin' - Julia, give me back the toys that you and the schoolyard bullies stole from me.
'Joolia' - No, come and get them, I dare you, you don't have enough friends, they are my toys, nah nah na nah nah!
'Kevin' - If you don't give me back my toys I will support gay marriage, wear a blue tie to school every day and leak rumours that your boyfriend is a poof and that you set up secret union slush funds, biaaaaaatch.
'Joolia' - Go for it peckerhead, I will leak videos of you practising Manadarin and cussing and having a tanty and saying naughty 'F' words, plus I will tell everybody outside of school that you are a control freak every week during parade!
'Slugger Abott from the sidelines' - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! (As he pegs a couple of vegemite sambo's at the Carbon Queen!)
'Headmaster Hawke' - Oi you two little shits, get over here and sort this mess out, you bloody mugs.
'Kevin' - girl germs girl germs girl germs...
'Joolia' - boy germs boy germs boy germs....

FFS, someone please end this endless cycle of shite and either euthanise the lot of them, give Slugger the keys to the Lodge now, or get that Toad Shorten to grow a pair, tap her on the shoulder and try to save a couple of seats come vote day. There are no other choices. It's worse than 'Nightmare on Elm Street' or 'Friday The Thirteenth', Jason and Freddy simply won't die, they just keep coming back again and again and again to haunt, taunt and frighten everybody.

500N 18th Jun 2013 02:25

Shorten is saving his gunpowder for another day.

If he doesn't, he is crazy.

Flying Binghi 18th Jun 2013 02:45

...If he doesn't, he is crazy.
500N, you actually still believe there is any electoral sanity left in Oz Labor..:ooh:


Our next Prime Minister has a massive job ahead of him just bringing some respect and integrity back to the office of the Prime Minister, let alone getting the country back into order.


500N 18th Jun 2013 02:57

Agree on both counts.

The next PM, when the media start the BS and try to "generate" a story
out of thin air needs to call them out on it so everyone knows what they
are up to. That would put a stop to some of the media generated crap
that comes out as journalism !

Worrals in the wilds 18th Jun 2013 05:10

And now Peter 'media tart' Beattie is making a desperate appearance, drawing out the 'Lets get Bob Hawke to mediate Kevin07 and Joolia line'.
Beattie tried pulling the elder statesman stunt after the Qld ALP bloodbath, publically backdooring one of their few remaining MPs and Leader of the Opposition in the Courier Mail. One of nature's team players...:hmm: I wish he'd bugger off back to the US. :bored:

I've got a better plan; how about getting some of the 1970s era Painters and Dockers' Union heavies back together for one special reunion where they can belt the crap out of Kevvy with bits of 2x4 and get their girlfriends/wives to gang up on Julia and scrag her? It would be much more popular with the electorate and might actually benefit the party. :}

Clare Prop 18th Jun 2013 06:12

I'm watching Parliament House live just to see what colour ties they are wearing. :rolleyes:

I'll buy a box set of all the episodes of "Dallas" ever made if I want a soap opera of people stabbing each other in the back.


Dark Knight 18th Jun 2013 06:31

Sums it up precisely!

Andu 18th Jun 2013 08:11

Sky News showed pretty much all of Senator Trish Crossin's farewell speech, hoping, I expect, that she might unload on her "leeder".

Senator Crossin showed a bit more class than to openly unload on Eileen, but she still got her message across quite well, by taking up many minutes of the senate's time by thanking everyone from her husband, her kids, the commonwealth drivers, her Mum ("'ello Mum!"), the library staff, the cleaning ladies, members on the Opposition benches "who've been so supportive", Anthony Albanese, Kevin Rudd - but not Eileen.

Nice one, Trish.

500N 18th Jun 2013 08:18

Sounds like it was very well done by Trish.

parabellum 18th Jun 2013 08:46

Not sure if there are any immunities available, either written or not written but understood in respect of sitting Prime Ministers, but......................

The police raided the AWU offices on Monday with a warrant and left with a lot of material.

Could Dillard be hanging on to her office by her fingernails because she knows that once she loses the protection of her office she is likely to be prosecuted? Which, for the ALP, would be worse, Gillard going to the election as leader or Gillard stepping down now and allowing a full exposure of the rotten, incestuous relationship, including corrupt financial practices, between the ALP and the union movement that would over shadow any newcomer to the Prime Ministers office, Rudd included, could it be this dilemma that finds the caucus in such disarray, choosing the least painless method of their own execution?

Roxon is also slipping out whilst her super fund is still in tact before the police get too close, assuming she has anything to worry about!

Worrals in the wilds 18th Jun 2013 08:59

Not sure if there are any immunities available, either written or not written but understood in respect of sitting Prime Ministers,
AFAIK there is no reason a sitting Prime Minister can't be charged. It just hasn't happened before.

I'd assume that any Police Commissioner (state or federal) would act extremely carefully before authorising their agency to do so; not because they're necessarily on the take, but because the fallout from getting it wrong would be pretty extreme, whatever the PM's political party. Likewise the relevant DPP. For all the material they've removed so far the whole thing still seems to be short of reliable witnesses and credible evidence; of course that doesn't mean it will stay that way. :suspect:

RJM 18th Jun 2013 09:39

There is no immunity from the law for the office of PM in Australia, tghough naturally the AWU hasn't been pursuing Gillard or its lost money too hard.

They'll have to get the sugar soap out after Julia leaves - there'll be a scum right around the office.

Andu 18th Jun 2013 10:27

This is rather long, but well worth reading in full.

I've got an old mate who spent his Working life with the Ford Motor Company, mainly as a computer programmer, and after the recent announcement of Ford closure in Australia, I asked what his feelings were.

Sorry ? Yes - I feel I have been let down, but I am more sorry for Australia. The problem is not just Ford, it is the whole of Australian primary and secondary industry.
When I joined the industry in 1960 Australia had the following Automotive Manufacturers:-Ford Australia - (Plants in Geelong, Ballarat, Broadmeadows, Sydney, and Brisbane).Australian Motor Industries. - (Standard Motor Company and Mercedes Benz, Rambler, and Fiat tractors, - plants in Melbourne and Sydney)British Motor Corporation - (Austin, Morris - Plants in Melbourne and Sydney)Chrysler Australia- (Plants in Keswick, Mile End and Finsbury, Continental and General Distributors -(Peugot - plant in Heidelberg Melbourne) - bought out by MisubishiFiat - (tractor assembly at the Pressed Metal Corporation plant in Sydney)General Motors Holden - ( Plants in Port Melbourne, Dandenong, Adelaide, and Sydney)International Harvester- ( Plant in Geelong)Leyland Motors - (Albion and Scammel , Plants in Melbourne and Sydney)Renault (Australia) - (assembled by Clyde Industries, Victoria)Rootes ( Australia) - (Plants at Port Melbourne and Dandenong)Rover ( Australia) - ( Pressed Metal Corporation Sydney - most of the land rover was made and assembled in Oz)Volkswagen (Australia) - (Plant in Clayton Victoria)Willys Motors (Australia) - (Plant in Rocklea Brisbane)White Trucks (Brisbane
There was also another company assembling one of the early Japanese imports at Kangaroo Point.
Then of course there was our own Repco, a major automotive parts manufacturer and engine re-builderat that stage, and a company which was then more than capable of building the first all Australian car
These were not fly-by-nighters, some of them were in existence as early as 1914 - one hundred years ago !!

From that foundation the only one left is GMH, whose very existence as a manufacturing facility is hanging by a thread.

I have no idea what has happened to all the major parts and machine suppliers, Duly and Hansford, Bendix, Borg Warner, Pilkingtons Glass, Zenford, Small, A.C.I, McPhersons, and countless others, all appear to be dead.

Do you believe that all fourteen of those fifteen major companies were incapable? Shortly to be fifteen out of fifteen???????

We now have a relative newcomer, Toyota, with a plant in Altona, which will, in all possibility, be last man standing .

You think the Automotive industry is the only casualty? In the last few months Australia has also shut down the Shell refineries in Sydney and Geelong. Don't even worry about the long-dead fasteners, carpet, textile, shoe, clothing etc. industries - they are as numerous as prayer notes in the Wailing Wall.

It's time to ask the hard question, - is something wrong with Australia?

When I left Ford, in round figures it employed 5,000 at the Geelong site, 6,000 at the Broadmeadows site, 700 in the Sydney plant, and 300 in the Brisbane plant - 12,000 people. That is only the start. Then there are all the outside contractors directly dependent on the Company, we used to estimate this conservatively as about another 33% - 4,000. A straight 16,000 total. Then there is on top of that all the people who serviced those 16,000 - I have no idea how you calculate that, and it is a bit nebulous anyway as the 16,000 are still there, just at a lower level of economic importance.

It is blatantly obvious that our political system just does not work - I have been voicing this for the last thirty odd years. I have no idea what it should be changed to, the basis is sound, but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired. The political intelligence of the bulk of the Australian voting public is heading to absolute zero, and our politicians depend directly on that.

We continue to elect governments time after time on the basis of platforms of promises to be broken. Promises bordering on lies and deceit. We elect governments that have financial abilities that would make Bart Simpson appear genius material. Just take a quick look at Singapore - about 10% of our population, no natural resources, just about no industry, and yet they have a large network of underground trains running every three minutes everywhere - just on a scale basis alone we should have about ten such systems here in Oz - well at least one in all the capital cities - that leaves the cost of four of them to throw in a decent road system between the capitals. As soon as someone hears that they pop up with "yes ! but look at their social welfare system !" my answer - exactly - look at it, almost non-existent from the government, the family is the social security system. I have seen our system, which is great in principle, abused right left and centre by those it is meant to protect, what should be a safety net is fast becoming an albatross around our necks. Come hell or high water that system has to be returned to the safety net it was intended to be. I don't know about now, but in Germany it was exactly a safety net and nothing else - if you were out of work you received a percentage of your wage for a period of time ( three months? I forget exactly), and then it took a dive to an "emergency payment" which bought food and not much else.

All the government-sponsored gifts for new houses, births, carbon tax offsets, GFC handouts etc. are not gifts - they are the currency with which our politicians appear best familiar, in plain English, bribes - bribes for the next election. Time to cut that nonsense - it should never have started.

What is happening in Australia is the failure to recognise the concept of adding value. Build something - make something - repair something - create something - move something - sell something useful - all add value and this is the only thing that creates a healthy economic structure. Add to that the essential services and you are still in business. Replace that lot with fancy accountants, counsellors, psychologists, dole bludgers, excessive bureaucrats, excessive government, teachers who only put in a fraction of the hours of real workers, and a myriad other similar other sinecure type jobs and you land right in the proverbial can, just like Oz.

Have you ever thought what happens in the next war? You think there won't be one? There have been humans fighting humans ever since one stuck his stone axe in somebody else's skull. You think that is going to miraculously stop? Go talk to the fairies. What do you think wins wars? Certainly not bureaucrats, counsellors and psychologists - not even servicemen alone. It is pure manufacturing muscle - whoever can build the most missiles, aircraft, bombs, guns etc. and have servicemen to deliver the intended result to the enemy. That is what wins wars. What are we going to build them with now? Do we now let our servicemen down as well?

Have a look back at what Ford Oz built for the last major war. Ford turned out thousands of those huge army transporters, hundreds of those huge landing barges, tracked bren-gun carriers, Ford blitzes, Bofors guns, and no doubt other things that I have either forgotten or never heard of. The Chrysler plant in Adelaide contributed a similar effort, largely in the aircraft sector. Who is going to repeat those efforts? Our recent engineering workforce had the ability to tool up a plant like Fords and make virtually anything at the drop of a hat. We made all sorts of odd things that nobody knows about - bits for the aircraft industry, tooling for carbon fibre parts for the French airbus, tooling for those huge Boeing tail spars, blocks for Scalzo engines, right down to microscopic gears for eye surgery instruments. We completed huge tooling contracts for our 'opposition' in the automotive industry. How wrong we were - the real opposition were those WE put in charge of our own country.

Then there are the unseen things - such as the flow of information and skills from the private sector to the Australian Government excuse for an armaments factory. Probably all but dead by now, but when I was active I attended many meetings at the armaments factory, Monash University, and other venues where engineers from private industry passed on manufacturing engineering related information. Much of it gleaned from first hand international experience, and much of it our own experience.

So that is just a small shot at how our politicians have betrayed us and set Oz up for a right royal shafting. A real enemy could not have done the job better.

You bet your sweet arse I'm sorry. Robin

P. S. I don't care who you pass this on to - I will probably get an earful from someone who hasn't had his/her feet on the ground for 99% of his/her next to useless existence, but I can handle that.

Cactusjack 18th Jun 2013 11:12

The Government screwed Ford. Think about it, the cost of living, the cost of car rego, the cost of fuel - all items that the government make cream from, and then some. We can't afford to buy 6's and 8's anymore!!

chuboy 18th Jun 2013 11:27

Don't start. Toyota manages to make a profit because they build cars people still want.

It's a shame Ford is closing but they made some pretty bad business decisions in persisting with the Falcon in the face of plummeting demand for large sedans.

Petrol ain't $0.60/L anymore!

Flying Binghi 18th Jun 2013 11:33

...The problem is not just Ford, it is the whole of Australian primary and secondary industry...
He forgot one of the problems - Union stupidity.

There are other factors, e.g. making the Australian workplace safe costs money that is added to the product sale price. Thats fair enuf though then we allow cheap goods in from country's that don't have safe work places so no safety costs added.
Shippings another - foreign cars shipped cheaply under overseas flags direct to main city Oz ports where-as Oz manufactures spend more to ship parts and cars around in-country. The list goes on.....

Tariffs anyone..:hmm:


Buster Hyman 18th Jun 2013 11:40

People don't want quality clothing, so we can shut down Fletcher Jones.People don't want locally produced food, so lets rip up all the farms & import.
People don't want to pay full fare anymore, lets shut down Qantas.

Fark it, lets just shut it all down, import everything, and become the Democratic Socialist Republic of Gondwana!

Fliegenmong 18th Jun 2013 11:54

Couldn't afford to run, register or buy 6s or 8 s for years 'CJ'......cost of living, cost of rego (State based charge rego?) cost of petrol etc., are you saying that the Government screwed ford because of these charges? Even the non labor state rego fees??

Presumably then the coalition will have the remedy to hand (regardless of State legislatures) and will see it clear to ensure that Holden remains viable, despite what Holden's suppliers were saying on radio this morning...:confused:

I'm also still waiting to hear a credible boat excuse too.....once a change of Government is assured (as it is now), then naturally excuses start to surface, of which we've seen a few recently..intrigued that a recent posting regarding the Indos stating point blank they have no intention of taking back boats, and conveniently (Dutifully?) glossed over by the MSM, the tide of rhetoric turns just like the ocean tide itself.....and all of a sudden the 'Messiah' (Well....he is a self confessed devout Catholic) says he'll turn back boats if it's safe to do so.......Oh Dear, Oh Dear.....there it is already.....

That's all dead easy transparent Liberal 'Pardee' lies ...... I have not as yet picked up on the reason why the carbon tax will not be immediately revoked though....any takers????

P.S. The other night I posted something about ABC / MSM bias etc...... (I have not read back to confirm sorry!!) - But today I stumbled across a recent column on the ABC website written by...wait for it................you ready for this?............................written by.......PETER REITH!!!! ........ So I apologise, clearly the ABC is not so 'lefty biased' after all..., certainly not givin someone like Reith a column :sad::yuk:

Flying Binghi 18th Jun 2013 12:03

via chuboy:
Don't start. Toyota manages to make a profit because they build cars people still want.

It's a shame Ford is closing but they made some pretty bad business decisions in persisting with the Falcon in the face of plummeting demand for large sedans.
chuboy, it costs nearly as much to make/distribute/sell a small car as a big car. Funnily enuf, the older demographic who cared about Oz used to be prepared to spend more money on a bigger car hence the Oz manufacturers could afford to make cars here in Oz. Demographics do age though...

Suggest a bit more research there chuboy...

"...It was Toyota's best financial result since the global financial crisis and the third-highest on record in Australia.
The profit was buoyed by imported vehicles given Toyota reportedly loses more than $2500 on each car it makes locally. More than 80 per cent of Toyota Australia's sales come from overseas models..."

Toyota Australia posts $149m profit but still wants handout | News.com.au


Flying Binghi 18th Jun 2013 12:17

via Fliegenmong:
Couldn't afford to run, register or buy 6s or 8 s for years 'CJ'......cost of living, cost of rego (State based charge rego?) cost of petrol etc., are you saying that the Government screwed ford because of these charges? Even the non labor state rego fees??
Hmmm... thats something i hadn't thought about. Car registration costs discriminate against Australian built cars.

Reference fuel costs. Australia could produce all the fuel it needs fairly cheaply by more aggressively pushing for new oil fields and building coal to fuel plants.

Whilst we is on fuel costs - Cheap gas, i.e. cheap power, is helping the current US economic revival. In Australia we are adding to our manufacturing costs with more expensive green power... :hmm:


7x7 18th Jun 2013 12:21

The unions controlling the workforce at the Ford (and all the long gone car) plants have seen to it that that "workforce" is paid an unrealistically high wage and has working conditions that make them totally uneconomic, particularly when compared with workers doing a comparable job in any one of the Asian car plants - who turn out a better product.

Buster Hyman 18th Jun 2013 12:42

And Peter Reith controls the editorial content does he? Wow, I stand corrected. Or, perhaps, its simple tokenism? Like Amanda Vanstone writes the VERY occasional piece for Fairfax...don't tell me she controls the Fairfax content too? Well, I never....

And, what about those excuses eh? Rose tinted glasses see prepared excuses. Blue tinted glasses see realism based on just how inept the current rabble is. Horses for courses. Naturally, the ALP has it all in hand. There's no excuses there, just constant denial...what a mess.

Worrals in the wilds 19th Jun 2013 00:41

Workers in Asian car factories pay Asian tax rates and Asian property prices, which are a lot lower than ours. Their companies also pay execs far fewer millions than their Aussie equivalents, though you don't hear Alan Joyce et al mentioning that when they run the 'Aussie workers should be getting five dollars a day' argument.

The Falcon was a sucky car that no one wanted to buy, but they kept making it anyway :ugh:. Apart from that, whether it's feasible for a country of this size and small population (and admittedly high wages / COL) to make cars competitively is debatable. Forty years ago we weren't competing with the Koreans.

Flying Binghi 19th Jun 2013 01:05

Carbon tax costs...
Australian Workers Union national secretary Paul Howes has warned the Government that “if one job is gone, our support [for the carbon tax] is gone”.

HOLDEN boss Mike Devereux says the carbon tax has placed an unwanted additional burden on the company as it struggles to keep its Australian operations going.

A day after he asked workers to take a pay cut, Mr Devereux suggested the company wouldn’t be considering such action if the carbon tax had been axed.

”There is no question that a tax on electricity, in making it more expensive in input costs, makes it more difficult for me to make money building cars,” he told ABC radio in Adelaide.

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian


500N 19th Jun 2013 01:12

Good to see Julia get a real pasting over the NT Senator affair.

About time she copped it, the way she treated her is not one that
pollies would like to emulate in the future otherwise they will
not get good people.

parabellum 19th Jun 2013 01:29

Fleigs, I think the RAN and the Commandos would be very justifiably annoyed if anyone suggested that a well armed and drilled boarding party couldn't stop and secure an unarmed fishing boat, but were they to do so and take it back into Indonesian waters do you really think they would be met and opposed by an Indonesian gun boat?

What will upset the Indons. most is that the lucrative bribery business will dry up, a business that starts with the local cop in the coastal village and goes back up through several layers of government, why do you think they are allowed into Indonesia in the first place and not just deported?

All Abbott has to do is insist that new arrivals must have their documents with them, those that don't have them don't get assessed until they do produce documents, those that do bring their documents get shipped off to a UNHCR camp to await their turn. Once the message gets out the boats will stop, Howard proved that one!

Cactusjack 19th Jun 2013 01:49

Good point 500N. Dullard was happy to pineapple Trish, a disgraceful episode to sneak Nova in so they could gain some popularity votes. Dullard has lied, deceived, broken promises, took out Rudd, destroyed everything she has touched, it has been a painful experience for Australians.
And what about Roxton bailing? Spineless, running away before getting voted out, superannuation before party loyalty! Maybe now she will get rid of that horrid mans haircut?
The rats are deserting the S.S Labor!

500N 19th Jun 2013 01:52


No problems capturing the boat with the people you suggested as the North Koreans found out with the Pong Su. Let's hope the Police and Customs don't try it again to save further embarrassment.

But once captured, it would be up to Customs and Immigration to take
it back but as you said, the Indos would not be happy. They would
definitely not be happy if any armed troops were on board.

CoodaShooda 19th Jun 2013 06:56

so they could gain some popularity votes
Only problem with that cactusjack, is that she ain't very popular around these here parts.

Amongst the Canberra latte set perhaps....but they don't get a say in the NT senate election.

We even have members of the ALP campaigning against her.

Andu 19th Jun 2013 07:36

The Libs have suggested that they might consider taking Australia out of the UN convention for refugees. (Fudge, fudge.)

Elsewhere the same Liberal Party is prevaricating and back peddling mightily on just how long it will take them to put a stop to the boats.

I predict that if Tony Abbott does not act swiftly and decisively in stopping the boats - (and it goes without saying that that will involve some very unpalatable measures that won't look good on camera, as they doubtlessly will be) - "We will stop the boats" will become as damaging a phrase for Tony Abbott as "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead" has been for Julia Gillard.

To get the message across even more clearly, he would do well to announce that the cases of the many thousands of "asylum seekers" who have been granted residency and whose pre-packaged tales of woe are obviously false will be thoroughly reviewed. And deport any whose stories prove to be false.

He could start with Capt Emad's wife and daughters, who, in seeking asylum, claimed that their husband/father was dead.

Clare Prop 19th Jun 2013 08:42

Hmmf I remember Gillard saying she was going to stop the boats too.

it's clear this government has no intention of doing any such thing, whether it is part of some grand Fabian plan, they are personally getting a cut from the smugglers or they think these (rather conservative) people will vote for them in future I don't know.

Fliegenmong 19th Jun 2013 09:12

"And Peter Reith controls the editorial content does he?"

Most certainly not Buster, just pointing out that an alternative point of view is acceptable outside the MSM :ok:

"Elsewhere the same Liberal Party is prevaricating and back peddling mightily on just how long it will take them to put a stop to the boats."

Uh huh, predictable enough, I mentioned it pages ago I believe, my question then was when DO the Coalition own it!! A month a year 2 years 3 years, when will they own their policy???

I seem to recall someone asked me the question when I thought they would own it, which was a rather amusing though weak 'question with a question' response, can't be bothered going back to look now....anyways...

"They're personally getting a cut......"

....Psst, I have a bridge you might be interested in buying CP

A Failure to stop the boats after saying "We will stop the Boats" will NEVER EVER be as damaging as "There will never be a Carbon Tax under a Government I lead", 2 simple reasons, as I am sure you are aware...

1) We're already getting excuses 2) Compliant Media will say poor Tony, harder job than he ever could have imagined!!

Slogged one's @rse off today to pay the taxes that support these freakin 'country shopping' boaties (likely borderline terrorists....can I say that without getting banned/sued by the PC brigade??)...So I do hope that Tony can stem the flow....but regrettably the excuses are already coming out...they know....

Worrals in the wilds 19th Jun 2013 10:38

Elsewhere the same Liberal Party is prevaricating and back peddling mightily on just how long it will take them to put a stop to the boats.
I thought the practicalities might pose a problem, particularly if getting the ADF to sink said boats and machine gun the occupants wasn't an option (which it isn't, unless the majority want Australia to go down the South American / SEA democracy path and I don't think they do).

The only way they can do what their supporters want them to do is by withdrawing from the Convention (and as previously stated I don't think it's a bad thing) but what they say prior to the election and what they do after it may be two different things :hmm:. As with the Qld LNP prior to their massive victory the spin has a bit of a First Date feel to it. :\

Cue Very Pretentious Restaurant setting and an awkward looking couple who've not met before. One is your correspondent wearing a quasi-designer dress, heels (reluctantly without steel caps) and more war paint than a PNG highlands chief. The other is a personification of the Coalition; an up and coming property developer in an Italian suit and a non-Swatch swiss watch. An ill-advised mutual female friend has declared that 'you're just right for each other' and both parties have been bullied into submission. After mutual heart failure at the bread price list the metaphorical conversation starts...

"Yeah, we'll stop the boats, cause we're tough on border protection."

"Really? That sounds interesting". [Big gulp of wine and curses to the friend who set up this blind date; 'you'll really like him, he's an inner city property developer and only one divorce! Just don't talk politics, guys don't like it, and stay off rainforest conservation FFS! :ooh::}' with friends like these...:ugh:]

"How will you do that exactly? It's a big coastline and both the RAN and Customs have been running on shoestrings and occy straps since Kevin 07."

"We'll turn 'em around with grappling hooks if we have to."

"Um, to where? Indonesia? Isn't that like dumping your lawn clippings over the neighbour's fence without asking him? They're not Indonesian boat people, even though many of them probably transited through there the Indons won't be fessing up to legally sanctioning those transits. They'll say they didn't know about it and good luck proving otherwise."

"We did it last time!"
"Yeah, but they were Afghans and Pakis who had to transit to Indonesia first, usually by air on dodgy tourist visas. Many of the current boats are coming from Sri Lanka where they can do the trip direct. This wasn't the case last time, and it's arguable whether Howard's highly effective strategy then will work now."

"Boats Will Stop! We'll do it!! Without media unfriendly violence and despite administering one of the world's largest national coastlines patrolled by some of the world's smaller border protection agencies/ defence forces!"

"Yeah great. Gee that chicken dish looks... interesting (which is more than you do :hmm:)" So you're a property developer, right?

This is my (Rioja infused :\) take on the current Coaltion dialogue with the sceptical, disgruntled Labor voters of Australia (though the setup is based on an actual event). They're saying all this stuff they think people want to hear, and they're rightly confident they'll score an initial win. After all, unless they turn up with guns and bandannas over their faces (we'll leave that to Katter) they're sure to win power in September, because the current Labor government sucks like an Electrolux. :yuk:

However, unlike blind dates a government has to keep on winning past the morning after. They can't just buy the electorate a collective big breakfast at a similarly swanky coffee shop and fob them off with witty text messages :E.

Actually, like the real scenario the above 21st Century dodgy Socratic dialogue was based upon, the Coalition character wants to keep winning (he took a surprising amount of effort to shake off :uhoh:). I think the federal Coalition is smart enough to realise that you can win one election on promises but to keep going after that you have to deliver, and scoring a bunch of disgruntled Labor voters this time around is no guarantee of keeping them next time, as the Qld LNP may yet learn :ouch:.

This leaves them with a dilemma. How to keep the 'machine gun the boat people' advocates and the corporate leviathans happy while keeping up a sustainable dialogue with all those disgruntled Labor people, who've gotten pretty hacked off with state Liberal governments pretty damn quickly once they showed their true colours?
The Coalition will get an easy win in September. There is no other solution given the current sorry state of the Labor Party. However, they will find the inevitable swing against them difficult to manage if they don't tread the middle ground on refs, IR, welfare and the myriad of other issues Australians aren't all that right wing about.

It will be interesting to see how they fare. :8

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