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gassed budgie 30th Jan 2013 07:46

I lasted three minutes. Tuned into the 7.30 report to see who fronted up to explain today's announcement by the PM. It was the same old shit we've been listening to for the last two years.
No wonder some seniour Labor party caucus members have been heard to say "swannies an idiot".

Fliegenmong 30th Jan 2013 07:50

"before the final budget outcome is revealed for the current year"

They'll be interim though?? just the final one, is that correct?

Anyway, there's your "It's worse than we first thought...." right there!! :rolleyes:

Ah Yom Kippur, well spotted Mr Parra! 'Round these parts they're out in force on a Saturday morning, in a certain district, only to seemingly disappear for the rest of the week....not at all like Golders Green, where I resided for a few months in the Early 90's, nothing was not Kosher....Chief Rabbi Goldstein supervised everything!

Clare Prop 30th Jan 2013 08:10

People can use religious beliefs as a reason to do a postal vote or vote early in person....OK for the Yom Kippur folks, but would AFL count as a religion?

Worrals in the wilds 30th Jan 2013 10:26

At about 0.5% of the population we're talking serious minority status... No disrepect meant, of course.

Either way, she gives the Libs time to see how Abbott goes and if necessary, put in a new leader to ride the honeymoon period home, a la The Silver Bodgie.
They don't have a Silver Bodgie. :uhoh:

Personally I think the Libs are better off sticking with Abbott, for all his faults. Maybe that's why the ALP have declared the election so early; to prevent them whacking Turnbull into the position. In many ways I prefer Turnbull but I don't think he's the man for the job. Too lefty for the majority of Liberal voters and too ready to dirk everyone around him. He's the Libs' answer to Rudd, and we all remember how that worked out for Labor...:eek:

Either way, they've nothing to lose by declaring. We all know that barring revolution we have to go to an election by October, so it's not like they're saying anything revalatory. Giving a date puts pressure on the Libs to tell the electorate what they actually stand for (as opposed to what they stand against) and gives the ALP a chance to counter that. Also, the 'governing first, electioneering second' comment gives the government the option of dismissing anything the opposition say as being nothing more than electioneering.

It also takes the focus off Boofhead Tim, Bipolar Nicola and all the other recent embarassments. For a day or so, anyway...:hmm:

Fliegenmong 30th Jan 2013 11:09

Worrals, as always (It seems!) well said.....

Flying Binghi 30th Jan 2013 11:30


...Maybe that's why the ALP have declared the election so early; to prevent them whacking Turnbull into the position. In many ways I prefer Turnbull but I don't think he's the man for the job. Too lefty for the majority of Liberal voters and too ready to dirk everyone around him. He's the Libs' answer to Rudd, and we all remember how that worked out for Labor...
Suggested research - "Goldman Sachs" "carbon trading" ; "Goldman Sachs" "Malcolm Turnbull" ...that'l do fer starters..:)

Methinks the Goldman Sachs wonder boy should stick to driving 'OzCars' or he risks making Gillard look honest..:hmm:





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Buster Hyman 30th Jan 2013 11:31

Turnbull is the highest profile, but Gawd help us if they turn to him. I like Hockey, but his current credentials may fall short.

I only say this because the ALP mantra against Abbott just rolls of the tongue to easily now. A classic example of mud sticking. But, just like them, I wouldn't have a clue either. He's made enough gaffe's to add credibility to the smear campaign.

It's just sad that it's no longer just about the politics now. It's all about who has the better smear machine. :ugh:

Flying Binghi 30th Jan 2013 11:34

Some interesting comments...

"...But we do now have an additional consideration. The date of the election is known, but the government is not in caretaker mode. Given the expectation that the government will lose the coming election, should it be in caretaker mode? Reasonable people can disagree on this point. After all, having the government in caretaker mode for eight months is a bit too long. Yet can the business community and anyone else be confident that announced policy will be implemented? I suspect not.

If anything, this early announcement has added to uncertainty and not reduced it..."


https://theconversation.edu.au/pms-e...ommunity-11862






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david1300 30th Jan 2013 12:36

I rarely agree with Pickerings take on stuff, but I do agree on this extract from his post today:

And if just once you could believe what Gillard says, again this isn't the time. There were three reasons why Gillard locked herself into September 14, and let's remember she has locked herself into many things before including a surplus.

So it is well within her realm to alter the date again, as she will do in a heartbeat, if it is in her interest.

First, she is shoring up her own position. Never has there been a challenge to a Prime Minister's leadership during an election campaign.

If her polling were to fall further she would have been under threat, not from Kevin Rudd, but other aspirants.

There is also the possibility that she could be well and truly embroiled in the Victorian Police AWU fraud investigation.

Although she vigorously denies it, she wants the next eight months in full-blown election mode where she can personally feel secure.

Second, she wants to put pressure on Tony Abbott to announce and cost his election policies so they can be attacked.

This won't work because final budget numbers won't be available until after September 14 and Abbott has already put the Government on notice that he is blind to precise Government indebtedness and he won't be announcing his costings until two weeks before the election anyway.

Third, she wants to appear to be in charge. Her vicious knifing of the hard working NT Senator Crossin and the installation of the inept Nova Peris is designed to combat Abbott's success with Aboriginal communities and to send a message to her own Party that she is in charge.

The election date was discussed with Oakeshott, Windsor and the Greens' Christine Milne, to the exclusion of her own embarrassed Cabinet members.

This September 14 election date is all about Julia Gillard securing her tenure in Office....

Fliegenmong 30th Jan 2013 12:50

"It's just sad that it's no longer just about the politics now. It's all about who has the better smear machine. "

True, but that IS the politics now, Godwin Grech, UteGate, the Mysoginist blowout, Pink Bats & Tampa, it's in practice equally....by both sides....when you have a voting populace enthralled with the rubbish on TV, of course they'll fly off the handle re how many boats arrive....or.....how the new work choices will screw them over..

This is where I cannot understand the Libs don't kill it......the Main Stream Media, the so called MSM are so far in favour of the Libs ad their policies, have received so much from the Libs, all that they wanted and more, and howard heaped it upon them :hmm:, and they complied with his wants and wishes as unscrupulous benefit receiving corporations are expected to do.....much like unscrupulous welfare receiving unfortunates depend upon a Labor Gummint......

The Libs laughable uncosted policies., that they so vigorously tried to hide from independent audit, and the sheer stupidity of Cannot Newman asking us to believe an audit from the Gold Seller, hardly instil faith in a LNP led administration...

Given how pro Liberal a Murdoch publication is..this article is eye opening...

Queensland's Peter Costello 'audit' trashed by experts | The Courier-Mail

But maybe we need to remember that these guys hunt with foxes and...and...hide with wolves???? ....Who can say nowadays??

Jooliar, you've lost me (Actually you never had me)....Tone the Budgie Smuggler, howard ensured you lost me, and others forever, and seeing the clowns you've surrounded yourself with, I know I have made the right decision.....

Fliegenmong 30th Jan 2013 12:58


So it is well within her realm to alter the date again, as she will do in a heartbeat, if it is in her interest.

First, she is shoring up her own position. Never has there been a challenge to a Prime Minister's leadership during an election campaign.

If her polling were to fall further she would have been under threat, not from Kevin Rudd, but other aspirants.

There is also the possibility that she could be well and truly embroiled in the Victorian Police AWU fraud investigation.

Although she vigorously denies it, she wants the next eight months in full-blown election mode where she can personally feel secure.

Second, she wants to put pressure on Tony Abbott to announce and cost his election policies so they can be attacked.

"This won't work because final budget numbers won't be available until after September 14 and Abbott has already put the Government on notice that he is blind to precise Government indebtedness and he won't be announcing his costings until two weeks before the election anyway.

Third, she wants to appear to be in charge. Her vicious knifing of the hard working NT Senator Crossin and the installation of the inept Nova Peris is designed to combat Abbott's success with Aboriginal communities and to send a message to her own Party that she is in charge.

The election date was discussed with Oakeshott, Windsor and the Greens' Christine Milne, to the exclusion of her own embarrassed Cabinet members.

This September 14 election date is all about Julia Gillard securing her tenure in Office...."


Nup, she's gone, and so should she be....none of this long range speculation bullshit..she's pig feed, Swill!, and she well deserves it, the old adage applies Gummints lose elections, oppositions don't win them, and indeed the opposition has done NOTHING to gain support...well other than mindlessly oppose everything regardless if it was for the betterment of the country or not....but then again that is not the point...

sisemen 30th Jan 2013 14:31

Just watched Wenny Pong on Lateline. Taxes going to rise? Super contributions going to increase? Couldn't or wouldn't answer the question. Be afraid, very afraid.

Howard's much maligned workchoices adversely affected very few but Gillard's plan to f**k us over before we get rid of her will affect just about everyone.

What a way to go down in history - the nation's most despised PM.

Andu 30th Jan 2013 20:40

I missed the whole speech where JEG announced the election date. What horrors did she slip in, knowing that the meedja would ignore them and concentrate on just the election date? My guess would be that any self-funded retiree or anyone relying on superannuation for his living expenses should be checking his wallet and bank account balance very, very carefully over the next few months, as JEG is going to have to find some source of money, and there's basically nowhere else left to find some.

Ovation 30th Jan 2013 22:53

I've been pondering why Gillard chose to announce an election in September, with an unprecedented 8 months notice. Any political benefit will quickly dissipate and voters will become bored sh!tless well before September.

Some commentators suggest it is to tease out the LNP's fiscal policy, others say it's to make the hag appear to have the ascendancy and advantage over the LNP, but here is my take.

Gillard is acutely aware that under her leadership (and I use that term loosely) the ALP is facing certain defeat, and assuming the government were to go full term to November, then up until July/August she could be replaced by Rudd (or someone else).

To announce the date so early is not so much of a message to the electorate or the LNP, but a desperate preemptive strike on her own party in order to head off a leadership challenge, and forcing caucus to consider that initiating a challenge while under starter's orders would be electoral suicide.

Then again, nothing she does would surprise me, including bringing forward or delaying the election to suit her own ends. Until she goes to the GG to issue the writs, the only certainty is she is the worst PM this country has ever had.

SOPS 30th Jan 2013 23:09

Desperate times call for desperate methods.

7x7 30th Jan 2013 23:11

Let's face it, if her past performance in keeping political promises is anything to go by, the one day we can be totally assured the election won't be held is 14th September.

heated ice detector 31st Jan 2013 00:15

If you guys and girls are having a bit of doubt with your budgie smuggler leader then may I sugest the honourable Mr Katter party, a lot of you seem to have similar views, :)

Dark Knight 31st Jan 2013 00:35

Centerbet

Coalition: $1.25
Labor $3.75

No Doubts!

Clare Prop 31st Jan 2013 00:45

So...was it all to hush up the fact that Nicola Toxin has had to admit she is rubbish at her job?

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

ATTORNEY-General Nicola Roxon has admitted her proposed anti-discrimination laws were poorly drafted, confirming the government has dropped controversial provisions that would have prohibited offensive conduct.


But Ms Roxon sought to portray the backdown as a triumph of process, saying an exposure draft had done its job in highlighting problems with the proposed consolidation of existing laws.


Good news, sort of, until we see what amendments she comes up with; but you have to wonder what else is going on behind the smokescreen. I expect a lot of the Labor politicians are wondering too!

Squeaks 31st Jan 2013 01:49


Originally Posted by Clare Prop (Post 7666345)
So...was it all to hush up the fact that Nicola Toxin has had to admit she is rubbish at her job?

Not at all: nor to do with the $100k's of party money spent defending this chap, who is (of course) misunderstood/totally innocent/victimised/all of the above :rolleyes:

Police arrest Craig Thompson on (at least 149) fraud charges

Please, please, please let them knock on the door of The Lodge soon ;)

CoodaShooda 31st Jan 2013 02:20

What a great start to an election campaign. :E

What are the odds on her not getting to 14 September?

The odds on a vote of no confidence in the Lower House must be improving.

Fubaar 31st Jan 2013 02:27

CT has to be convicted and receive a sentence of at least one year before he has to quit Parliament, and that's not likely to happen before Sept 14th. I imagine he'll be bailed, but if he isn't, that should put a cat among the canaries when it comes to any division or a vote in the lower house.

CoodaShooda 31st Jan 2013 02:51

No reason for him not to be bailed on a white collar crime but, as labor has previously had to prop him up to avoid bankruptcy, I wonder who'll stump up for him this time.

parabellum 31st Jan 2013 03:56

White collar crime agreed, but, is he a flight risk? Given his track record of dishonesty could they, perhaps, deny bail? Just a thought.

Good of you to dump the ALP Fleigs, but please, please don't give your vote to the Greens!:=

CoodaShooda 31st Jan 2013 04:10

Time to resurrect the 'none of the above' box. :E

Andu 31st Jan 2013 05:57

Wonderful "10 Green Bottles" cartoon here from Pickering.

Bets, anyone, on who'll be the next "green bottle" to topple?

sisemen 31st Jan 2013 06:02


If you guys and girls are having a bit of doubt with your budgie smuggler leader then may I sugest the honourable Mr Katter party, a lot of you seem to have similar views
http://www.hotink.com/wacky/mfiles/m-ani.gif

And if you're not having doubts about the Crime Minister and the rest of her sorry second rate team HID then you probably need looking at.

Buster Hyman 31st Jan 2013 06:40


Good of you to dump the ALP Fleigs, but please, please don't give your vote to the Greens!:=
Yes. Vote Independant! What could possibly go wrong?

:p:p:p

parabellum 31st Jan 2013 06:50



Time to resurrect the 'none of the above' box.
Yup, I can see that may have appeal for some as a way to register a protest, but for the benefit of the country I think they need a strong majority government in both houses rather than an ineffective minority coalition. Hopefully the LNP will prevail, as the only alternative is the ALP. We have had seven years to see what a complete and very expensive mess the ALP have made of their chance to improve Australia but they have, instead, dropped the ball and only looked after their own, pathetic, careers. Above all, the Greens have to be sent packing!

They may not see it but there is a strong case for ALP supporters to vote LNP this time, to ensure the next Parliament can actually work, (you listening Fliegs?!) abstentions and wasted votes simply don't do it.

7x7 31st Jan 2013 06:58


Above all, the Greens have to be sent packing!
Amen to that, with k nobs on, parab.

My dream would be to see the Greens get no new seats in the Senate on Sept 14th (or before :)), no new seats in the Lower House, their remaining Senators giving Abbott an excuse to call for a double dissolution, that the lot of them turfed out into political history, just like the misbegotten Democrats, never to be heard from again.

How I'd love NOT to see the imbecilic Sarah TwoDads ever asked to offer her inane opinion on ANY subject ever again - or at least not until she has had some life experience, which she quite obviously has not had to date.

Buster Hyman 31st Jan 2013 06:59

I've said this before para, but a lot of the ALP's problems stem, IMHO, from not being true to their cause. Minority Govt. means they have compromised & disenfranchised their core supporters.

In the spirit of Glasnost, I would have to admit that the LNP doesn't really float my boat either but, as a voter in a hardcore ALP safe seat, it really doesn't matter what I think. :(

Worrals in the wilds 31st Jan 2013 07:12


I've said this before para, but a lot of the ALP's problems stem, IMHO, from not being true to their cause. Minority Govt. means they have compromised & disenfranchised their core supporters.
I don't think the current movers and shakers in the federal ALP are true to the cause either. While the minority government has made that abundantly clear, I think the Greens and Independents have been a handy scape goat for the ALP, when in truth their senior pollies agreed with more Greens stuff than they disagreed with.

Ovation 31st Jan 2013 07:23


CT has to be convicted and receive a sentence of at least one year before he has to quit Parliament, and that's not likely to happen before Sept 14th. I imagine he'll be bailed, but if he isn't, that should put a cat among the canaries when it comes to any division or a vote in the lower house.
There's something sinister going on here, courtesy of the Red Witch.

It would seem that under standing orders, once an election date has been set (and that box has been ticked), the government is not obliged to have a by-election if and when Thomson is forced out of parliament.

How sneaky is that! :yuk:

But then because he sits on the cross benches, the coalition would be unlikely grant him a pair if he is absent through court appearances.

Squeaks 31st Jan 2013 09:03


Originally Posted by Fubaar (Post 7666396)
CT has to be convicted and receive a sentence of at least one year before he has to quit Parliament...

Not quite: I think you'll find that he has to be convicted of an offence for which the sentence is one year or more. As we all know, no judge these days passes the the listed sentence :rolleyes:

Clare Prop 31st Jan 2013 09:10

Don't we have to wait for the GG to issue a writ before an election date is officially "set"?

Has she done that yet, or don't things like the constitution matter when the GG is so tame and it's all nice and cosy in the Labor soap opera bed-hopping family?

Let's hope JG is another one escorted away from her office in the back of an unmarked cop car, the sooner the better, let's just get this over with.

Andu 31st Jan 2013 09:13

Yes, I think you're right on the refusal to offer a pairing, Ovation. You're also correct in what you say explaining why Eileen named the election day yesterday. Quite obviously she'd been given a 'heads up' by someone in Vic Pol that he was to be arrested today. Parliamentary practice has it that the Speaker, if a by-election becomes necessary after an election date has been set, should delay that by-election until the general election. Of course, that tradition did not allow for, or expect, an eight month delay between the election date being announced and the election day.

Eileen has shown herself yet again to me the master (mistress?) political manipulator. God only knows what ploy she'll come up with between now and August to delay the election, perhaps for some time beyond November. Some kind of "national emergency"? Before anyone laughs at such a stupid suggestion, remember how many other parliamentary traditions the woman has thrashed since she stole power thanks to the misnamed 'independents'.

Waiting for Rob Oakeshott to acquire some serious medical problem necessitating his retirement from politics... say, around September?

Andu 31st Jan 2013 09:19


Let's hope JG is another one escorted away from her office in the back of an unmarked cop car
Oh Clare, I think there are more than a few people looking forward to witnessing that particular scene. If her behaviour to date is anything to go by, the level of hubris surrounding JEG is such that if it ever comes to that, (highly unlikely), she'll almost certainly 'do a Thomson' and not go quietly, so we can only hope some cop tips off Channel 7 again, as they apparently did today.

7x7 31st Jan 2013 10:02

Former general turns firepower on Smith


The ''cash-strapped'' Gillard government has put its own political risk ahead of Australia's national security, a highly respected former general says.

Major-General Jim Molan, the commander of the 300,000 strong coalition force in Iraq in 2004, says Labor's management of Defence since 2009 has been ''appalling'' and is having a ''terrifying'' effect on the Australian Defence Force.

General Molan, now a public speaker and defence commentator, is scathing in his criticism of Defence Minister Stephen Smith, who he says has gone beyond ineffectiveness to actively damaging his portfolio.

'Mr Smith does not seem to like the ADF, does not seem to trust it, apparently does not want to be its chief executive, shows no public interest in its ultimate operational effectiveness, does not know how to measure efficiency or effectiveness [and] is risk averse in a portfolio that is all about risk,'' he said.

Fliegenmong 31st Jan 2013 10:45

I do, like you all, believe, CT is criminal scum, (BUT he hasn't had his day in court) ............for the constabulary however to tip off the media, is really very ordinary. No need, it just caters to the lowest common denominator, reality TV watching, Today Tonight kinda crowd....very ordinary, but not too unexpected I suppose...

Para, please do rest assured in this, that I have none, and have never had any inclination to support the greens in any way shape or form whatsoever, EXCEPT, for Bob Browns refusal to support politician pay rises....And that is the only exception (Gawd, if the Greens ever saw what I do with certain waste materials.... :uhoh:...but that is another story!)

As for am I listening? Well yes indeed I have, and I have observed.....for my family and I, the horribly tragic realisation is....the ALP are likely the lessor of two evils. :uhoh::{ ...but lets see what policies are put on the table, and how trustworthy both sides are....(equally untrustworthy!)

As a minister in the howard gummint, and by his own admission, the member for Warringah, is a bullsh!tter of the first order and he'll certainly give the red bogan a run for her money in the honesty stakes, and that is saying something!....just don't want too much "It's worse than we expected", that only works for so long...:hmm: Only need see the way he shifts his eyes away from a 'reporter' (usually downward movement) and utters Aahh....to see his level of honesty. Jooliar is a whole lot better Politician, the B!tch can hold a gaze, look squarely in the eyes....and tell bare faces lies, Tone is transparent, his lies light up like little sparklers! :hmm:

Interesting to see Buster write that he is a voter in a 'hard core ALP seat', not the sort of place I would expect Buster to reside, but then again I live in such a safe LNP seat, the ALP don't even bother here (Last candidate resided 60-70k away?)

The Man in the Hat......saves me voting in favour of either dishonest juggernaut of a political party, both beholden to the big end of town, and increasingly indistinguishable...

Oh how both sides must laugh at us over a Dom Perignon from the comfy chairman's lounge eh? Leigh & Alan know how to play them both.....:sad:

Buster Hyman 31st Jan 2013 11:59

Interesting Fliegs? I've lived in The Broadmeadows area for all but 6 years of my life. Even went to school with Eddie! This seat, Federal, State, and mostly local has been held by the ALP for all that time. This is Boganville my friend, and these are the red witches people I live amongst!

We don't all fit the stereotypes, and don't all live the high life to maintain a conservative outlook. I struggle like many other middle class in this country now. Unloved by Pollies, ignored by Centrelink, and trampled on by the likes of Murdoch & Fox...


Middle class sucks!


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