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Andu 12th Aug 2012 08:48

Pat Condell at his usual best: The ugliest newspaper in Britain - YouTube

You could oh so easily delete "BBC" and insert "ABC" and delete "The Guardian" and insert "The Age/SMH" and he could be talking about Australia.

Worth listening to.

Andu 12th Aug 2012 08:49

Pat Condell at his usual best: The ugliest newspaper in Britain - YouTube

You could oh so easily delete "BBC" and insert "ABC" and delete "The Guardian" and insert "The Age/SMH" and he could be talking about Australia.

Worth listening to.

MattGray 12th Aug 2012 13:41

Pat Condell at his usual best

OMG I don't believe I'm reading this.

Pat Condell is nothing but a tiresome hypocritical and sanctimonious old Pommy bigot. IMHO.

Even one of the 'Nets most extreme Right Wing white supremacist neo-Nazi forums like Stormfront reject Condell ranting as Zionist, charlatan, hatemonger, hypocrite.

Worth listening to.


MattGray 12th Aug 2012 13:55

So let's see if I've got this straight.

When Barrie Cassidy gets quoted in here re the Liberals contemptible and mean-spirited intransigence on the National Disability Insurance Scheme he gets discredited on the grounds of alleged Labor bias.

Never mind that Cassidy is a commentator who is well respected by both sides of Australian politics.
Never mind that Cassidy recently published a whole book which casts the PM Gillard in a poor light.
Obviously the subtlety of the posted chapter extract "Night of the Long Knives" and the book title itself "The Party Thieves" continues to elude this panel of deep thinking political analysts. Yep, Cassidy is definitely biased, and so presumably by association this poster also.

In stark contrast however the Labor critics here are only too eager to uncritically swallow the disjointed ramblings of a well past his use by date, failed and embittered Liberal Party candidate for the seat of Canberra.

So obviously no bias or crass hypocrisy there then from those happy to play political football with the unfortunate handicapped and their carers.:rolleyes:


Buster Hyman 12th Aug 2012 14:21


allan907 12th Aug 2012 15:41

Perhaps, as a starting point, you might care to answer these questions. Although on past practice I honestly do not expect an answer merely a question back or some provocative posts.
Yup. The crystal ball is working perfectly.

500N 12th Aug 2012 15:51

I see Houston's report is due out. Should be interesting.

6 boats and near as 300 people in the last few days which makes 114 boats
and over 7600 people !

I think maybe Abbott / Joolia needs to modify their views and
at least come up with some sort of off shore processing solution
to stop these damn boats.

allan907 12th Aug 2012 16:19

The ALP is not for turning on this issue. The terms of reference for Houston will ensure that any recommendation fits with Gillard's plan.

The Greens - the partners in this f*cked up government - are the key. If they voted with the Treasury benches then Gillard's preferred plan would pass into law.

Why should the pressure be on the Coalition to bend their principles to make the government look good? The Coalition had a policy in place that worked. And that's a proven fact.

So, come tomorrow, it will remain situation normal - a few more tears from the pie-eating SHY and some harsh words across the floor but nothing will change. And that's what Gillard is all about. She doesn't actually want a workable solution she merely wants to beat Abbott. And that really sums up the situation for the past 2 years or so - nothing substantive just beat Abbott.

Remember her magnaminous gesture when Tony Abbott met her in the middle of the floor after her coup to say "congratulations"? Her reply? "Game's on".

Well, the final chukka will be played out soon and Gillard will be out for the count despite some irrelevancies from some on here that are unable to face that fact.

500N 12th Aug 2012 16:22


"Why should the pressure be on the Coalition to bend their principles to make the government look good? The Coalition had a policy in place that worked. And that's a proven fact."

Not saying just the Coalition, I'm saying they both need to do something.
I don't think it will happen as Abbott wants an election and wants this
as a main issue IMHO.

As much as I hate Howard, bring back his hard ball solution anyday
and take it further - now we can travel into Indo waters, pick them up earlier, turn them back / tow boats back - or sink the odd one to get the message across. Maybe even jam mobile phone signals !!!


prospector 12th Aug 2012 23:45

From an E mail received:

Dear Employees:
As the CEO of this organization, I have
resigned myself to the fact
that Julia Gillard is our Prime Minister, and that in addition to the
Carbon Tax, our taxes and government fees will be increasing in a BIG
way. To compensate for these increases, our prices would have to
increase by about 20%.
But, since we cannot increase our prices right now, due to the dismal
state of the economy, we will have to lay off 60 of our employees,
instead.This really has been bothering me, since I believe that we are
family, here, and I didn't know how to choose who would have to go..
So, this is what I did. I walked through our parking lot and found 60
'Labor bumper stickers' on our employees cars and have decided that
these folks will be the ones to let go.I can't think of a more fair way
to approach this problem.They voted for change, so I gave it to
them. I'll see the rest of you
at the annual company picnic!

Mach Turtle 13th Aug 2012 00:44

Almost half of Australians who work, work for companies of fewer than 20 employees. I would bet that a large part of those are one-person or family enterprises. Tradies, restaurants, that sort of thing.

And I'd say that it's not so much the big fish that are getting smashed by taxes and other costs.

Improving employment means making it less scary for a guy to go out and buy a truck and some tools, or a family to take a lease on a cafe, or for someone to invest in education with the intent of doing something big.

allan907 13th Aug 2012 03:52

Oops Jooliar! Where ya gonna go now? Let's see if you're still keen on "pudding differenzes aside" and a "bi-pardisan approach". Would be a lot like saying that you were wrong wouldn't it?

Expert panel recommends Malaysia, Nauru - The West Australian

An expert panel on asylum seeker policy has recommended offshore processing in both Malaysia and Nauru.

The federal government-appointed panel led by former defence force chief Angus Houston also has recommended the reopening of the Howard government-era detention centre on Papua New Guinea's Manus Island.


Mr Houston said asylum seekers would also have access to an appeal mechanism.

He said turning back asylum seeker boats - a coalition policy - can be an effective disincentive

500N 13th Aug 2012 04:07

A bit of a slap in the face for Jooles. Now if only she would make some
hard decisions based on this report.

I am glad Angus highlighted that the disincentives, really shows
that the Lib policies worked at stopping the boats coming.

And she can't go against her Angus, she loves the man (based on what she said at his retirement) - which isn't surprising considering he is so much more man than what she currently sleeps with.

Buster Hyman 13th Aug 2012 05:10

Now that this is out, I expect some truly inspiring words from the true believers, such as GST, Workchoices, etc.....:yuk:

owen meaney 13th Aug 2012 06:33

Housten Report
Which way will the government go now?

allan907 13th Aug 2012 06:37

It's becoming not worth the bandwidth to even note their presence. They say nothing, they don't advance the argument and their usual postings resemble something written on the school toilet walls. All the hallmarks of a troll.

By totally ignoring them they might, just might, go away and leave room for someone like the late lamented Binos who could argue the left wing case with intellect, wit and reason. Whilst you could disagree with him you ultimately came away from any exchange more knowledgeable and wiser. This current lot are not worthy to stand in his shadow.

500N 13th Aug 2012 06:38

Their is going to be an Media conference with Joolia and the Immigration minister over the report.

This should make interesting viewing watching her deflect things away.

I find most put things in some airey farey type of cotton wool that sounds good,
has all the right buzz words in it but actually contains nothing of substance.
Binos sounds like he could hold his own.

MTOW 13th Aug 2012 07:30

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

LABOR will tomorrow introduce legislation into parliament to allow the resumption of offshore processing on Nauru and Papua New Guinea's Manus Island.

Julia Gillard announced the dramatic policy shift today after the Labor caucus endorsed Angus Houston's expert panel report on asylum-seekers, resolving to back all 22 of its recommendations.

The Prime Minister said the government would also move to immediately boost the annual humanitarian intake from 13,500 to 20,000 a year, as recommended by the Houston panel, and limit the access of humanitarian entrants to family reunion provisions.

In a further response to the Houston report, Ms Gillard said the government would restart talks with Malaysia to improve safeguards for asylum-seekers under Labor's proposed people swap deal.

Immigration Minister Chris Bowen said asylum-seekers intercepted by Australian authorities from today risked being processed offshore.
The Greens won't back it, so the Coalition will have to make a hard decision tomorrow.

However, the big question will be whether the devil isn't hidden in the details of anything Gillard comes up with. It remains to be seen if anything that contains Nauru won't be "badmintoned" by Labor - (to borrow a new word given to us by the recent Olympics) - i.e., set up purposely to fail.

I have to admit, I'm pleasantly surprised to see Angus Houston's committee come out with something not totally in line with current government policies. However, without TPVs, all they've come up with is a longer (and more costly) queue, a queue that can will take just a few weeks more to swamp if the people smugglers keep the hopefuls coming in large enough numbers, which, with the advent of the Tamils into the equation, would seem to be pretty much a certainly.

500N 13th Aug 2012 07:44


I think she picked Angus because he has been shown in the past
to be his own man, albeit against a Liberal Gov't when he stood his
ground over the overboard affair.

I also don't think Julia was under any illusions that he would come up
with what he thought was best.

However, I do agree with you, it's just the same queue but via a different route !!!

We will now have to see what Abbott does.

allan907 13th Aug 2012 08:23

Well, that's a plus for Gillard for accepting, in toto, the Houston Report. Hopefully Abbott will be smart enough to accept it as well but with the proviso that if there are any "badmintons" in it all deals are off.

Unfortunately, good as it is, it's like a 1,000 piece jigsaw with the crucial piece missing - TPVs.

Welcome them with open arms, give them protection from the wars and turbulence that they are allegedly fleeing from but reserve the right to send them back when all is quiet. Humane - but lets them know we're not a totally soft touch.

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