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Flying Binghi 12th Jan 2013 03:23

Reduce the fuel load - Reduce the fire
 
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Miranda Devine has been commenting on bush fires for a few years now...


Tasmania is a petri dish, demonstrating the consequences of green ideology run rampant. No jobs, the forestry industry on its knees, and bushfires feasting on fuel built up over two mild fire seasons. Yet, instead of facing up to their errors, the Greens conveniently blame climate change. They pretend imposing a carbon tax or destroying the coal industry will prevent bushfires, while reducing the actual fuel which powers the flames is “futile”.
Green arrogance burns fiercely | Daily Telegraph Miranda Devine Blog


And from 2002...

The parliamentary inquiry into the Christmas bushfire disaster is in danger of becoming a farce designed to exclude anyone with a view contrary to the Government's. Submissions blaming inadequate hazard reduction by NSW authorities have been mislaid, committee members remain in the dark and major players in land management, such as State Forests, which advocates prescribed burning, have been ignored.

All the signs of a smokescreen - smh.com.au




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Andu 12th Jan 2013 07:16

Re Miranda Devine's blog: see my post #3857 way back on page 195:


Jools on AM this morning wearing her deep and meaningful voice as she pontificated about the Tassie bushfires.

The cynic in me sees McTurdan at a strategy meeting telling her that with a bit of luck and help from the ever-compliant and always co-operative mainstream media, she could turn these fires into her own Barack Obama New York pre-election hurricane.

...but that would be horribly cynical of me.

Back to the bushfires: what's the bet we're about to hear that the Greenies have forbidden burn backs and the clearing of fire trails around the worst affected areas? (Sorry, having a bad attack of the cynicals this morning.)

RJM 12th Jan 2013 08:46


what's the bet we're about to hear that the Greenies have forbidden burn backs and the clearing of fire trails around the worst affected areas?
The policies of the Green/Labor coalition in Tasmania against burn-off and back burns look to be a far more proximate contributor to the Tasmanian bushfires than golbval warming.

Buster Hyman 12th Jan 2013 08:49

Who knows Fleigs, who honestly knows... :confused:

Just got back from a running grass fire...(someone let BG know what that is)...and I feel that the Greens can't blame climate change for this one. T'was started by kids doing burnouts in their paddock!

Clare Prop 12th Jan 2013 08:53

Fliegs the IMF is the mob that the World's Best Treasurer gave 7 billion borrowed bucks to last year in order to bail out the mess they made in Europe.

CoodaShooda 12th Jan 2013 09:48

Last Thusday's Australian ran a story aboutTasmanian farmers holding the Greens responsible for the intensity and destructiveness of the latest fires due to their blocking fuel reduction burn offs over the past few years.

Today's ABC news - someone from the Climate Change Commision claims the current heat wave is due to climate change and we must reduce CO2 production. Cue old bloke in Alice Springs saying "Nah. Was hotter in the 1950's drought". (A bit surprising that the ABC allowed an alternative view to climate change orthodoxy. Perhaps they are catchng up with mainstream opinion before the inevitable change of federal gummint. :E)

Worrals in the wilds 12th Jan 2013 10:57


Tasmania is a petri dish, demonstrating the consequences of green ideology run rampant. No jobs, the forestry industry on its knees, and bushfires feasting on fuel built up over two mild fire seasons.

So stop voting for 'em. The Tassies never do that though.

I16 12th Jan 2013 11:17

Not to put a finer point on it but the word is that Craig Emerson has been very keen to continue a previous relationship.
Tim has been found wanting and the towering & masterful Craig is ready to extend his portfolio, again.

Andu 12th Jan 2013 11:19

Worrals, with the crazy system that came with federation, Tasmania has so many senators and so few voters, it takes about three and a half votes to elect a senator.

Which might explain in part why the Greens have concentrated their efforts to enter the senate down there.

Worrals in the wilds 12th Jan 2013 11:31

For sure, but they've still got a state government.

Dark Knight 13th Jan 2013 01:55

In Julia I trust???
 
Any Local ALP Parliamentary Member, Faceless Sussex Street men, the apparatchiks, Labor Spin Doctors must be absolutely delighted with the response, comments from John & Jane Aussie to today's Julia's `Missive to the Masses'

At last count support for her and Labor may be running at just below 5% which in itself, is surprisingly high!

Worth a look at the Sun Herald, Daily Telegraph & Courier Mail; seems an election cannot happen soon enough.

Captain Sand Dune 13th Jan 2013 03:06

The Tassie fires are proof (if we indeed need it!) that woolly-headed, latte-sipping, dope-smoking, inner-city Green policies will always be trumped by physics.
I hope to God that the same doesn't happen in the Victorian/NSW high country to prove the cattle grazers correct.
The Greens seem very quiet about it though, don't they?:hmm:

Worrals in the wilds 13th Jan 2013 03:13

They're probably still working out how to blame the victims, as they did with the Queensland floods. :yuk::yuk: We never did hear their opinion on the loss of habitat and impacts on vulnerable species'. :rolleyes:
Coal miners to blame for Queensland floods, says Australian Greens leader Bob Brown | News.com.au

Clare Prop 13th Jan 2013 03:21

Did they factor the pollution from bush fires into their calculations about how much the carbon tax was going to reduce emissions and global temperatures?

They must have got it wrong because we were told that Julia had fixed the climate with a tax and she wouldn't lie to us, would she? Surely there will be no bush fires under a government she leads?

I'm thinking a water vapour tax will be her next thing, seeing as the pictures they show of horrid polluting chimneys are usually belching out...steam....:ugh:

Buster Hyman 13th Jan 2013 04:18

Got offered a position to go down & help in Tassie for this coming week. Unfortunately, I start back at work and, whilst that's not a problem, there were many willing to head down there & help out.

Pity, I would have liked to have seen how climate change fires look different to the one's that have crossed this landscape for millenia.

RJM 13th Jan 2013 06:42


Julia's `Missive to the Masses'
I ploughed through that self-serving piece of rubbish.

Such commitment to the family! Yet Julia is a serial seducer of married men, invariably destroying the families she invades, leaving children in the last three cases without a father in the house.

Dear, sweet Julia.

Our PM's actions and utterances are consistent with her being a psychopath - devoid of real compassion, without a conscience or regret for past actions and utterly, utterly ruthless in the pursuit of her goal, which I believe is power, pure and simple. If her aim isn't personal power, then it's the imposition of a Fabian Socialist state in Australia, which is just as unattractive.

I wonder if she'll sit quietly in the back benches after thge next election, or whether she will retire into the arms of the sisterhood, to be feted and lauded as a game-changing leader in the Whitlam mould, wheeled out on important occasions and eventually writing a book of lies to justify her reign. I won't be buying it if she does.

Slasher 13th Jan 2013 08:51


The Greens seem very quiet about it though, don't they?
Far as I know no dope-smokin' drugged-up Taswegian greenie fought any fire
down there either.

There is a precedent - I recall the Lorne fires aftermath in Victoria yonks ago
where these useless parasitic bastards were threatened to be shot on sight
if they came within a bulls roar of the place - and of course not one stinking
greenie to be seen when these fires needed to be fought. The same with
Macedon years later.

And where's that arse-bandit green commie d!ckhead who played a large part
in creating Tassy to become the fire-hazard it is?

Captain Sand Dune 13th Jan 2013 08:52


I ploughed through that self-serving piece of rubbish.
Jeez mate, couldn't you find any sharp objects to poke into your eyes instead?:E
Carefully crafted by the taxpayer funded of Sussex St spin doctors no doubt.:yuk:

sisemen 13th Jan 2013 09:15


And where's that arse-bandit green commie d!ckhead who played a large part
in creating Tassy to become the fire-hazard it is?
Don't fret Slash he's probably on board one of the Sea Shepherd boats chasing Nips chasing whales.

With a real bit of luck they'll encounter huge waves which will wash him off the deck never to be seen again.

SOPS 13th Jan 2013 09:35

A Greenie could not go fire fighting, their sandals might melt:E

Clare Prop 13th Jan 2013 11:04

RJM maybe they could wheel in Maxine Whasername to unseat her like she did with Howard, I understand those two aren't the best of friends...MM doesn't seem to be on EMILY's list, would be a lovely bit of karma that.

RJM 13th Jan 2013 11:54

It would be sweet, CP. Maxine McKew isn't a member of Emily's List according to their website.

Unfortunately for challengers for Gillard's seat of Lalor (west of Melbourne - around the Werribee sewage farm), at the last election Gillard took 64% (66,000) of the first preference votes and her nearest opponent, a Liberal, got 23% (about 24,000 votes). Then came a Green with 7,000 or so votes.

It's one of the safest Labor seats. You'd think Gillard would have to be an incompetent, unpopular liar to lose it.

RJM 13th Jan 2013 15:21

Incompetent, but cunning...

It's not hard to see a cynical vote-buying exercise behind anything Gillard does.

The internal polling must be showing little advantage from the glow of the announcement of the National Disability Insurance Scheme and the Gonski education reforms, both policies unfunded and years i the future.

So now we have:

The royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse will be at A$100 million, "the most expensive in the history of royal commissions".

And it will run for three years, throwing up with any luck almost continuous opportunities for Gillard and Nanny Roxon to preach their righteousness with no possibility of a comeback from the hated Abbott. Get used to that stiff redhead coming again to a screen near you. The royal commission is also likely to damage a number of conservative institutions associated with the feared Abbott, his party and and conservative thinking generally - churches, especially the Roman Catholic church and private schools notably single sex boarding schools. To no great disadvantage if any to Labor it may also affect sporting clubs, military training establishments, etc.

As a bonus, it should support Gillard's play for the female vote. For example, men are not too fussed by say, humiliating club rituals or hazing or corporal punishment (within reason) at school, but women are horrified by it.

The royal commission is perfectly in line with atheistic, socialist, pacifist, egalitarian thinking (Gillard's creed) too. She might even get back a few first preference votes from the Greens and Family First.

Whacko.

"Thanks Mr Mcternan. You have the mind of a Macchiavelli and the morality of a hyena."

"Er, just to 'cash' thanks Julia."

Hard to believe? Here's a description of Gillard from smoeone allegedly close to her: (from www.michaelsmithnews.com):

"Julia and the moral compass most people employ are strangers. She thinks married women are prostitutes. She likes borrowing husbands. She has no commitment to meet promises. She is living in a fake relationship (Tim is nothing but a handbag). She lies about past activities and associations. She desires power at all costs. She hasn't progressed from the attitudes she held as a student and member of the Socialist alliance."

Of all the above. the last sentence. if true, is the most alarming, and becomes more crucial if Julia consolidates her power.

sisemen 13th Jan 2013 15:35

As Bon Giorno is absent for a while is it a coincidence that Matt Grey has surfaced again on another thread?

RJM 13th Jan 2013 16:27


Not to put a finer point on it but the word is that Craig Emerson has been very keen to continue a previous relationship.
Tim has been found wanting and the towering & masterful Craig is ready to extend his portfolio, again.
Ha ha, 116 I wonder if that's true?

sisemen 13th Jan 2013 16:54

I'd almost put money on it. Tim's been very noticeable by his absence of late and even when he does appear it's so far into the background he's almost invisible in contrast to a year or so ago.

Emerson on the other hand never wastes an opportunity to talk up Jooliar and it seems to me to be almost fawning over her utterances.

All the hallmarks that summat's up.

MTOW 13th Jan 2013 22:08

RJM says:

Unfortunately for challengers for Gillard's seat of Lalor (west of Melbourne - around the Werribee sewage farm), at the last election Gillard took 64% (66,000) of the first preference votes and her nearest opponent, a Liberal, got 23% (about 24,000 votes). Then came a Green with 7,000 or so votes.

It's one of the safest Labor seats. You'd think Gillard would have to be an incompetent, unpopular liar to lose it.
Is it a coincidence that Werribee/Hopper's Crossing/Laverton - the 'heartland' of the seat of Lalor - "enjoy" one of the (if not "the") highest unemployment rate and number of government benefits recipients in the "nayshun"?

This might explain why Eileen's seat remains so safe for Labor. "Not wanting to see", "Gravy train" and "end of" are three short phrases - all in in the same sentence - that immediately come to mind.

Anyone who has ever had to live or even visit Laverton does not need to be taught what the word "feral" means.

Buster Hyman 13th Jan 2013 22:22

MTOW...Just moved the old folks from the Northern Suburbs out to the West & we couldn't believe the change in attitude from the ACOS people. They were falling over themselves in their offers of support. "We're excited to be able to help your parents" is a direct quote!

RJM 13th Jan 2013 22:24


Anyone who has ever had to live or even visit Laverton does not need to be taught what the word "feral" means.
Surely that's only the ORs?

500N 13th Jan 2013 22:36

"It's one of the safest Labor seats. You'd think Gillard would have to be an incompetent, unpopular liar to lose it."

Gillard / Labor will never loose it. It will always be Labor because of Laverton / Altona.


In 20 years time Laverton will have been upgraded to be like most other suburbs.
Williams Landing - the old airfield sub divided - is just the start.

MTOW
Plenty of other places where the word Feral would spring to mind.
Most suburbs have one area that is crap compared to the rest.
Hoppers "had" what was known as the "bird cage" because all the names
of the street were birds. Crims et al lived in it. Now it has been taken over by Burmese and other cultures, crims not such a problem.

Croozin 13th Jan 2013 23:03

This, from another site, tells an all too recognisable tale.


Our brilliant Labor/Green/Independent government in their rush to throw away money, created a term called "Shovel Ready" jobs thinking it would stimulate the economy. Obviously it didn't work but the following explains just why. Of course the stupidity of non approval of payment for Laser or Robotic prostate surgery is another desperate attempt to show that they are saving money. How pathetic!

A guy stopped at a local gas station, and after filling his tank, he paid the bill and bought a soft drink. He stood by his car to drink his cola and watched a couple of men working along the roadside. One man would dig a hole two or three feet deep and then move on. The other man came along behind him and filled in the hole. While one was digging a new hole, the other was 25 feet behind filling in the hole.

The men worked right past the guy with the soft drink and went on down the road. "I can't stand this," said the man tossing the can into a trash container and headed down the road toward the men. "Hold it, hold it," he said to the men. "Can you tell me what's going on here with all this digging and refilling?"

"Well, we work for the government and we're just doing our job," one of the men said.

"But one of you is digging a hole and the other fills it up. You're not accomplishing anything. Aren't you wasting the taxpayers' money?"

"You don't understand, mister," one of the men said, leaning on his shovel and wiping his brow. "Normally there's three of us: me, Bluey and Curly. I dig the hole, Bluey sticks in the tree, and Curly here puts the dirt back.

Bluey's job's been cut ... so now it's just me an' Curly
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Andu 14th Jan 2013 00:50


Anyone who has ever had to live or even visit Laverton does not need to be taught what the word "feral" means.

Surely that's only the ORs?
I endured living there some years ago as a non "O.R.", RJM. Laverton, and the married quarters provided there, was damn near 3rd World, particularly in the neighbours. It's a little known fact that the only time a RAAF Herc ever took ground fire that actually left a hole in the aircraft was in the circuit at Laverton. I kid you not.

What's even more unbelievable is that the shooter, (who was actually caught), was a RAAF Sergeant. Never did hear what sentence he received. The 'straight shooting' award? (I have to admit, scoring a hit on an overflying aircraft with a single shot rifle - a .303 - was no mean feat.)

500N 14th Jan 2013 01:02

Andu

You must have got the raw end of the stick because quite a few OR's
- Probably Cpl and above - lived in Hoppers Crossing - and probably
Werribee but don't go down there much.

As for hitting a Herc with a 303, it wouldn't be that difficult at Laverton
because they fly so low landing and taking off. Nice approaches with
nothing to avoid :O It's only a matter of the lead you give it to get a hit
and a Herc is a big aircraft !

When were you posted to the RAAF base at Laverton or were you based
at Pt Cook ?

Croozin 14th Jan 2013 05:24

Just announced: no income (again) from the mining tax for the second quarter since its introduction.

Gotta give Eileen and the world's best Treasurer WaYne one thing. They're consistent.

Croozin 15th Jan 2013 06:16

First Newspoll of the year:

Labor 38%
Libs: 44%
Greens: 9%

Preferred PM: 45% Gillard
33% Abbott

That is a 5% jump for Labor from the last poll, but most of the increase is drawn from the Greens.

After preferences, the figures read 51% Libs / 49% Labor.

Not good news for the Libs when you consider that come the election campaign, Labor will be holding the purse strings, with the ability (and an ability they'll doubtlessly exploit to the fullest) to hand out all the many giveaways they'll be offering to buy votes.

Who the hell are those 9% still voting for the Greens? Deaf mute environmentalists who don't have access to a braille machine?

Andu 15th Jan 2013 06:44

Just watching the evening news, to see dozens of dark skinned people, some armed with fence palings, facing dozens of other dark skinned people on the streets of Logan, Queensland, the two groups being kept apart by police.

Is this the face of 'the new' Australia? It looked more like Gaza.

500N 15th Jan 2013 06:57

Yep, spot on.

At least in certain areas.

Captain Dart 15th Jan 2013 08:26

...and the ALPBC News has been thrashing 'Climate Change' for the last few nights in between 'legitimate' news items. Lots of scary computer-generated images of seaside suburbs in various capital cities turning blue, and the obligatory cyclone and drought footage.

Much use of the words ''might', 'could' and 'may' in association with this drivel.

Taxpayer-funded propaganda for the carbon scam ahead of an election?

Fliegenmong 15th Jan 2013 13:26

"Not good news for the Libs when you consider that come the election campaign, Labor will be holding the purse strings, with the ability (and an ability they'll doubtlessly exploit to the fullest) to hand out all the many giveaways they'll be offering to buy votes."

I know what you're saying Croozin! My link to the IMF report (post 3980) illustrates the point perfectly, curiously unanswered by all but one

Howard rejects IMF's 'profligate spender' tag - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

A greater spender than Rudd or gillard....was howard....

Anyway, apparently Wayne 'bought' this report, using Australian Tax payer money!!..though that hasn't yet been independently verified, (still waiting :rolleyes:)

But you are right Croozin about those who hold the purse strings ........The Libs spending in 2007 was off the scale!!! 2010 it had a 10 billion black hole!!! :eek::eek:, hardly a fiscally responsible bunch! :*, way way way too much middle class welfare from howard (ANDU will agree with this) :ugh:...and by remarkably all those that were part of the howard spendathon, now form the bulk of the current coalition...:confused::uhoh::{

Whilst I appreciate that there are blocks of voters who blindly vote one way or the other because that is the way they were indoctrinated....there are also voters who think...,,,worse there are voters who vote green :{

sisemen 15th Jan 2013 13:43

There was an article in The Australian a few days ago Fliegs which dissected that report and did a fulsome hatchet job on it.

Unfortunately I can't lay my hands on that article or I'd link it.


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