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Old 13th Oct 2014, 09:37
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Quindi posso rinnovare mep ir anche dopo la scadenza??? Fino a tre mesi?
Ci sono costi aggiungivi?
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AMC1 FCL.625(c) IR — Validity, revalidation and renewal
RENEWAL OF INSTRUMENT RATING: REFRESHER TRAINING
(a) Paragraph (b)(1) of FCL.740 determines that if the instrument rating has lapsed, the applicant shall go through refresher training at an ATO, to reach the level of proficiency needed to pass the instrument element of the skill test prescribed in Appendix 9 to Part-FCL. The amount of refresher training needed should be determined on a case-by-case basis by the ATO, taking into account the following factors:
(1) the experience of the applicant. To determine this, the ATO should evaluate the pilot’s log book, and, if necessary, conduct a test in an FSTD.
(2) the amount of time lapsed since the expiry of the validity period of the rating. The amount of training needed to reach the desired level of proficiency should increase with the time lapsed. In some cases, after evaluating the pilot, and when the time lapsed is very limited (less than 3 months), the ATO may even determine that no further refresher training is necessary. The following may be taken as guidance when determining the needs of the applicant:
(i) expiry for a period shorter than 3 months: no supplementary requirements;
(ii) expiry for longer than 3 months but shorter than 1 year: a minimum of one training session;
(iii) expiry for longer than 1 year but shorter than 7 years: a minimum of three training sessions;
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AMC1 FCL.740(b)(1) Validity and renewal of class and type ratings
RENEWAL OF CLASS AND TYPE RATINGS: REFRESHER TRAINING
(a) Paragraph (b)(1) of FCL.740 determines that if a class or type rating has lapsed, the applicant shall take refresher training at an ATO. The objective of the training is to reach the level of proficiency necessary to safely operate the relevant type or class of aircraft. The amount of refresher training needed should be determined on a case-by-case basis by the ATO, taking into account the following factors:
(1) the experience of the applicant. To determine this, the ATO should evaluate the pilot’s log book, and, if necessary, conduct a test in an FSTD;
(2) the complexity of the aircraft;
(3) the amount of time lapsed since the expiry of the validity period of the rating. The amount of training needed to reach the desired level of proficiency should increase with the time lapsed. In some cases, after evaluating the pilot, and when the time lapsed is very limited (less than 3 months), the ATO may even determine that no further refresher training is necessary. When determining the needs of the pilot, the following items can be taken into consideration:
(i) expiry shorter than 3 months: no supplementary requirements;
(ii) expiry longer than 3 months but shorter than 1 year: a minimum of two training sessions;
(iii) expiry longer than 1 year but shorter than 3 years: a minimum of three training sessions in which the most important malfunctions in the available systems are covered;
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C'e' tutto scritto (o quasi)... Nei 3 mesi successivi alla scadenza non parliamo di REVALIDATION, bensi' di RENEWAL. E come puoi leggere dalle norme EASA, e' a discrezione dell'ATO decidere se tu abbia o meno bisogno di una "training session". Rimane il dubbio sul che cosa sia una "training session". E' necessariamente un volo? Quanto deve durare come minimo (voci non verificate dicono minimo 1 ora). Se qualcuno ne sa di piu', magari con testi alla mano, scriva qualcosa qua.
 
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Remax...sfondi una porta aperta con la lettura ENAC/EASA...concordo con te.
Però è altresì vero che 2 check in uno..ovvero IR MEP + MEP sono due distinti profili di missione con manovre che prevedono almeno 1.5/2 ore di volo per poter essere svolte...almeno per esperienza (anche al di fuori dell'Italia).
A tutti i CRE/TRE ENAC ha "raccomandato" durante l'ultimo refresher training per CRE svolto a Roma di non somministrare check minori di 2 ore (ovvero 1 ora per rating), chiaramente concordo con te che poi è il CRE che, se nel giusto, deve valutare il tempo di volo.
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Old 19th Oct 2014, 17:16
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Quindi??? Ci sono costi aggiuntivi se scade la licenza ma resto nei tre mesi?
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 07:43
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fiducioso...è a discrezione dell'ATO in funzione della tua esperienza e titoli...solito consiglio:contatta qualche scuola e senti che aria tira....
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Old 20th Oct 2014, 11:55
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Piu' che incollare la normativa e mettere in grassetto la parte che ti interessa, cosa devo fare?
 
Old 20th Oct 2014, 20:29
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Confermo...posso sforare di tre mesi e non pagare un cent in più
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 06:27
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Ok bene
 
Old 21st Oct 2014, 18:47
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Ma....qualcuno ha fatto il renewal volo più sim?
Dove?....costi?
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Old 22nd Oct 2014, 07:48
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Dux...come sempre dipende da cosa devi rinnovare e da quanto è scaduta l'abilitazione...di norma per la parte IR si fa sim+volo...1,2,3,4 ore di refresher dipende dalla scuola e da quanto è scaduto...per i prezzi meglio sentire direttamente le varie ATO, perchè possono variare anche di molto per mia esperienza...
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Old 22nd Oct 2014, 07:54
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É scaduto da un annetto...quindi con un paio di training me la dovrei cavare...
Vorrei capire se riesco a fare tutta la parte ir al sim per salvare qualche cent!
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prova a sondare in giro...teoricamente si dovresti riuscire a cavartela cosi..
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