Ryanair Sponsored Type Rating
 

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Things must be getting tight in FR for this about turn!
Wonder how much the co-jo ends up on ?
Good luck to em all.

Interesting news! Ryanair's shortage of pilots must be beginning to bite, the 5-year bond is evidently the big selling point from their point of view.

Whatever their reasons though, it's excellent news for cadets. IMO this scheme puts Ryanair into the league of "respectable" employers of cadet pilots along with Aer Lingus, Jet2, Flybe and a few others.

Never thought I'd be saying this, Ryanair are now offering a better deal to cadets than BA! Maybe BA recruitment should reflect on that....

has the bit about having the first series CPL and IR also gone??

I must say it is a nice surprise, I woudn't have to turn down the offer couple of months ago if this scheme were in place.
However I'm very curious about the conditions and the contract, a real improvement would be the end of contractor status, but I'm pretty sure that won't happened unless hell freezes over.

Does anyone know what level of pay a cadet would be receiving during this 5 year period?

Over 700 cadets required per year for the foreseeable future. I was under the impression at the time of my opportunity that 29500E and 0 pay for many months was a step too far and financialy volitile! However; this new scheme seems to now be easily one of the best out there in Europe. High hours per year, oppotunity to MAX, a vast array of destination and bases alongside a competitive salary and great roster. @Sharklet7, I would assume the pay will be at a set rate for cadets now compared to hourly rate to offset their lost PROFIT they made on the TR.

Yes, Ryanair were taking a hefty hefty profit form each TR they conducted. Therefore I believe over the 5 years of your bond you will receive a lower fincanical income that those who were on the 29500 upfront cost. It would potentially allow them to balance out the lost profit they would have received if they still charged the 29500 upfront. Solely speculation!

is it the same application as the paid scheme? I failed the assessment back in June so I'm wondering whether I can make a new profile and have a 'fresh start'?

Due to the Passport/ID having to now be input you are unable to delete or make a new account.

I know various people who have been called again within 12 months of the failed assessment. As long as you keep your documentation up to date there is a high chance youll be recalled.

From speaking to a mate at Ryanair this morning. It seems the real cost of this new deal is a 10 euro per flying hour net cost to the employee. You only have to run the figures (based on circa 800 flying hours per year) to work out that this isn't a great deal. The new pilot will end up paying far more (in the long term) than he/she would've done under the previous arrangement.

I asked the question about how they can possibly bond freelance contractors, and was told that under the new deal the pilots will be actually be employees, but NOT employed by Ryanair. Apparently they'll be employed by a company called Bluesky Resources.

My friend has had sight of this new contract, and described it as being dreadfully punitive. One to avoid, unless you've no other option.

I really don't think so, you signed, you paid, you're screwed

It is NOT possible to switch if you already paid your TR.

is that official and if yes where did you get that information?

In the email they sent as they said:
“If you have already paid for the course please contact CAE who will be happy to talk to you about the new option.“

I think this scheme should be targeted at guys who have prior experience in an airline, as had been mentioned, maybe the turboprop guys who actually know how to fly an aircraft would benefit from this option, then it would be fair to all.

I.e. if you have 1000+ hours in an airline they we want you and we'll cover your training costs

I disagree this should only be targeted at people who have over 1000 hours for 'fairness'.

Life is not fair and whilst i do feel for the guys who have recently paid they went into this eyes wide open. Ultimately they will be free to move on if they want once they have sufficient hours to better jobs where as the bonded guys and girls wont.

The other side of the coin is up until now it has been unfair because it excludes many people based on not being able to raise the 29500 euros ;-)

Ultimately if we want the industry to move away from putting the cost of all training on the pilots and as such allow the profession to be more inclusive and not bent towards those with the ability to pay we should be thankful for every move towards that utopia.... and this is a move in the right direction.

hey guys.
I was at the assessment today and the guy confirmed when I asked that with the new contracts, cadets will directly be employed by Ryanair.

Very interesting. Thanks...

I got it direct from HR.

For those who were successful at the assessment, couldn't afford the TR and therefore unable to complete TR within the 6 months time frame, do you think RYR would reconsider the application ?

yeah, I got the mail from cae as well telling me that we cannot switch. great :hmm:

Is the apc program without MCC still valid?

Yes Cavoski.
I have some more infos.

5k TR with 5y bond. 5k per year if you want to leave earlier.

6 months contract from the base training : 21.000 £ per year.
After these 6 months unlimited contract of around 64.000£.
29 days annual leave

So what does that mean?

Dear Theo. P!

Do you have any direct contact to the APC? I have already approved by Ryanair but McGinley Aviation told me that this program is no longer available.

Thank you in advance.

Where did you get this information from?
Are you saying once type rating received you will start base training for 6 months, this will be based on €/£21,000.00 salary.

Where does the figure of £64,000 come from?

From a Ryanair staff.
I saw the "FAQ" with all the details about this new contract.

One you are successfull at your base training, you ll start a 6 month contract paid 21k a year. Then is line training successfull, you ll be offered the real contract

Tbh it all sounds pretty good, however, i still see both pros and cons about each program.

Wouldn't you earn ALOT more if you do the self-sponsored program? then you can deduct alot of your expenses over time? So if you can afford the typerating, wouldnt it be a way better deal than the bonding? or what do you think? I really hope you will help me with this decision. Thank you guys and girls :)

not quite... since you will get the full RYR contract after line training. no reduction in salary. So you will get the 21k basic even when you have to wait a couple of months after base training before commencing line training. Previously for contractors this would be a period of time without income. All these financial barriers are significantly reduced with the new program. You will get approx 2k a month, even when there are delays between base and line training. Furthermore no large upfront money is required to get in. If you decide to leave earlier you still can... you just have to pay the remainder of the bond which will be a fraction of the 25k, depending on when you leave.

No sorry !
But at my assessment the assessor was still talking about the APC so I assumed it was still available. Not sure about it ..

Thank you for the answer mate!
However, let's say that after 2-3 years, then being on the self-sponsored you would earn more, right? Due to your company paying a lower tax rate than being employed by Ryanair?

:ok: Might be the weakest spot on the new contract, won't be surprise if they do

Do we know if this new contract will be a salary or if it will be based on hours flown? Thanks

Hi Theo, where did you find the FAQ? is this something that is available?

Just to confirm you will be paid £21,000 during base and line training? Thanks

It will have a salary component, however as with the current Ryanair contracts it will be heavily weighted towards productivity so hours flown will also have a large impact

Hi Theo.P,

I passed the APC assessment in February and planned to start in end of April with APC. Actual no contract is signed. Do you know whats going on with the guys who passed the assessment for APC but stil do not have any contract signed ?

Or anyone else knows about this situation ?

Cheers

doing the self sponsored type rating does not make ANY sense anymore... even if you want to avoid being bonded... well bonding is nothing more than that you have to pay a remainder of the bond when you do decide to leave.

there is no salary reduction for the bonded scheme... So let's do some maths in case you want to leave after 3 years.

bonding scheme: you'll pay 5k upfront.... after 3 years you will have to pay another 10k for the remainder of your bond, total of 15k

non bonded: you'll pay 30k upfront. And you won't get anything back after you leave after 3 years.

So even if you leave after 6 months (why would you do that anyways...) it will still be cheaper to be on the bonded scheme.

Is it actually legal under HMRC rules to claim the cost of a type rating back? And aren't HMRC starting look at these 'self employed' contracts as you do not meet any of the criteria set out by HMRC for being able to class as self employed.

In addition, HMRC are investing this tax dodge and sooner or later it is likely to catch up with people

Get in contact with the company who sent you the email regarding your successful assessment. Tell them the situation and ask about this new program.