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Wolf Dao 13th Jul 2016 16:04

When you register you are sent an email that outlines the whole process far better than anyone here is going to explain it. So for everyone asking about this and that, just register and it will all become clearer.

I just finished the tests myself. It's my first time ever doing these so i'm not sure how to gauge how well I did. If I had to pick my two weakest, I think I'd have to go with the Numeracy test and spatial reasoning test. I have a PPL so I was kicking myself that I wasnt happy with the spatial test. Been a while since Ive flown and I was a bit rusty.

For people who have done these tests before, how difficult would you say these Aer Lingus tests were in comparison to other or even previous Aer Lingus tests?

Does anyone have an idea of what happens now? Is this it until the interviews at the end of September if a candidate is successful at these aptitude tests?

Anyway, Best of Luck to everyone.

Wolf

MaverickPrime 13th Jul 2016 19:39

Folks, I've been reading through the aerlingus website. Am I missing something? It doesn't specifically say that the flight training will be fully funded as it has been in previous years? Can anyone confirm?

LandingConfig 13th Jul 2016 21:03

AFAIK funding details haven't been confirmed yet.

sujiong 13th Jul 2016 21:54

They could probably save a lot of effort being more up-front about that now - a lot of people might drop out of the recruitment process if it turns out to be beyond their means.

MaverickPrime 13th Jul 2016 21:57

Its strange that they wouldn't confirm it at the outset like previous years. I can't help but wonder if IAG has had something to say about fully funding cadetships. It doesn't happen at BA and certainly doesn't happen at Vueling. Pure speculation on my part however!

sujiong 13th Jul 2016 22:02

If you can afford an Airbus A320, why can't you afford 150k for the pilot to go with it? The answer is that you can, but you can cut costs because people are willing to pay to get into flying. So it must be hard for one airline to be the one that starts funding cadetships because presumably that makes you marginally less competitive against your peers. Unfortunate knock-on is that us lot have to be 'dedicated' and suck it up...

Hoddington 13th Jul 2016 23:09

Is anyone else having problems accessing the applied numeracy test page? If I try to start the test in English it loads the pop up window with the counter dial, but counts to 101 and then stalls. I can get it to load in German, but my german is a bit too rusty to trust when speed is needed. Have tried the normal suggestions of reloading, and of quitting the browser and starting again, but to no avail.

Will speak to Are Lingus tomorrow, but wondered if anyone else was having the same problem before I do.

e2a: Having given up last night, I tried again this morning and it worked straight away, so if anyone else did have the same problem, then it is probably worth another try.

Chris the Robot 13th Jul 2016 23:12


Folks, I've been reading through the aerlingus website. Am I missing something? It doesn't specifically say that the flight training will be fully funded as it has been in previous years? Can anyone confirm?
I believe that last year they made it clear that future schemes would be fully funded unless otherwise stated, or something to that effect. They've stated this year that they are funding living expenses, why would they fund living expenses if they weren't going to fund the rest of the programme? In short, it appears to be very, very good.


If you can afford an Airbus A320, why can't you afford 150k for the pilot to go with it? The answer is that you can, but you can cut costs because people are willing to pay to get into flying. So it must be hard for one airline to be the one that starts funding cadetships because presumably that makes you marginally less competitive against your peers. Unfortunate knock-on is that us lot have to be 'dedicated' and suck it up...
You don't have to "suck it up", you can simply apply for the programmes which offer full funding and this programme would appear to be one of those. Remember, the last time BA ran the FPP, they didn't fill their ninety-something spaces despite having thousands of applicants. That's how high the bar is, if the airlines can't fill their quotas, they'll have to offer better terms.

A Merchant Navy "Sponsoring Company" wouldn't charge you six figures to be a Deck/Engineering Officer, they'd pay you. Train Operating Companies have been known to experience hundreds of applicants per Driver's job, they don't charge you to be a Train Driver, again they pay you. Why should it be any different to become a First Officer for an airline?

tufa1993 14th Jul 2016 05:41

Do you think they read our CVs? I ask because I will obtain CPL/IR/ME+MCC with ATPL theory this September with total of 200 FH and I mentioned it in CV and still received online assessment link.

MaverickPrime 14th Jul 2016 08:08

Hoddington - I had the same problem with the Numerical test, try clearing your internet history, that made it work for me.

Chris the Robot - Thanks for your reply. I read about the expenses part and I assume the same thing as you do. However, I can think of one airline that makes you pay for a Type Rating but gives you a daily training allowance from day one.

You say the bar is/was very high. Makes you wonder what they are after! As for Aer Lingus, its fourth time lucky.

PrettyFlyForAWifi 14th Jul 2016 11:32

Got my assessments and attempted to complete some of them yesterday, the Spatial Orientation was my Achilles heel. I do have to admit that years of computer gaming experience did help with a few of the assessments haha!

Good Luck to all!

First time applying and also my first ever post on Pprune even though I've been on this website for a long time now (be gentle) :ok:

clarkd34 14th Jul 2016 11:37

Complex Control/Hand-Eye Coordination assessment was awesome :)

ScotWings 14th Jul 2016 13:13

That was quite a set of assessments!

Verbal reasoning I found very tough - if anybody got through all the questions they should really deserve to be instantly be accepted into the programme!

Really enjoyed the reactivity, multitasking and numerical reasoning rounds. Complex control was basically a very familiar game!

Bn02fly 14th Jul 2016 13:22

Assessment Tests
 
Hey Guys, received my assessment package... Currently in a hotel 'downroute' (work for an airline as CC) I only have a MacBook and no mouse, I land back to the uk tomorrow... Is it fine to run on a MacBook first of all? And are there any assessments I can do without a mouse first so that I'm not trying to complete the whole thing tomorrow Jet lagged to hell but with a mouse! Wish I'd received info a day early and could have packed my mouse!

ScotWings 14th Jul 2016 13:44

Hi Bn02fly,

Firstly, I did the tests on a macbook air - no problems at all.

I did most of it using my laptop's touchpad to be honest. The only part I really felt I needed my mouse was the 'hand-eye coordination' test, but even then it probably would have been fine using the touchpad.

You can definitely do the 2 behavioural questionnaires, the verbal and numerical reasoning, and spatial orientation with the touchpad no problem at all, and those will take up most of the 2 hours anyway!

Good luck

czechplastik 14th Jul 2016 14:35

I expected to have the results pretty rapidly. I Guess they see how everyone does then set the bar accordingly.

EZY_FR 14th Jul 2016 14:52


Originally Posted by ScotWings (Post 9439671)
That was quite a set of assessments!

Verbal reasoning I found very tough - if anybody got through all the questions they should really deserve to be instantly be accepted into the programme!

Really enjoyed the reactivity, multitasking and numerical reasoning rounds. Complex control was basically a very familiar game!

Glad I wasn't the only one that thought VR was tough, I couldn't even get half of them done.

TFFF 14th Jul 2016 15:24

Just finished the tests.
Really enjoyed going through most of them.
Verbal reasoning was good, although it took me quite a bit of time to find my rhythm (and of course could not complete :D).
Eager to see what comes next, whether an invitation or a rejection.
Was the first time applying to any scheme for me, so it does help to know now what it takes to get in.
Good luck all. Hope to see you in Ireland in September.

Bn02fly 14th Jul 2016 15:37


Originally Posted by ScotWings (Post 9439693)
Hi Bn02fly,

Firstly, I did the tests on a macbook air - no problems at all.

I did most of it using my laptop's touchpad to be honest. The only part I really felt I needed my mouse was the 'hand-eye coordination' test, but even then it probably would have been fine using the touchpad.

You can definitely do the 2 behavioural questionnaires, the verbal and numerical reasoning, and spatial orientation with the touchpad no problem at all, and those will take up most of the 2 hours anyway!

Good luck

Thanks Scotwings! Good Luck to you too!

FlyVeryHigh- 14th Jul 2016 15:53

Does anyone know if points are deducted for incorrect answers...?

LandingConfig 14th Jul 2016 16:02


Originally Posted by FlyVeryHigh- (Post 9439811)
Does anyone know if points are deducted for incorrect answers...?

I'd imagine incorrect and missed answers would deduct points, no idea though.

momo95 14th Jul 2016 17:36

How did people get on with the monitoring and counting the moving balls? Definitely my worst, struggled when there were more than 8 ...

kfitz100 14th Jul 2016 17:57


OP: momo95
How did people get on with the monitoring and counting the moving balls?
Definitely my worst as well! The verbal reasoning was tough also but I felt everything else was pretty manageable. Time will tell I suppose, Good luck to all!

ezy308 14th Jul 2016 23:59

Hi guys,

I found the Assessments Not to bad. Verbal Reasoning I found tough to complete.

FlyVeryHigh, they'll have an average result for each test. The more right answers the better of course. I'd presume that every candidate will have strengths in particular tests than others, so they do take this into consideration. Although, they mainly look to see improvement, e.g. if you didn't perform great in one test but did better in another.

FlyVeryHigh- 15th Jul 2016 00:20

Many crashes in the tunnel? I had several haha

BerkshireWings 15th Jul 2016 00:25

Hi guys, new here, just taking the assessment myself...now on to situational behaviour, good luck for me waking up tomorrow! Lol

tufa1993 15th Jul 2016 08:03

Hello guys! Does anyone know why they sent me a link for online assessment altough I mentioned in my CV that I will obtain CPL licence with ATPL theory in September?

ryanc106 15th Jul 2016 15:02

I completed mine this morning. Not too bad I didn't think, some of it was a bit tough, particularly the flying tube thing, where I crashed quite a few times lol but other bits were pretty straightforward. Has anyone got any idea when we're likely to hear anything re pass to next stages or fail?
Cheers

Apitu 16th Jul 2016 07:11

@tufa1993, probably because nobody checked the CV's. It's easier and less labor for them to wait for the results at the online assessments, as there will be less CV's to read. And maybe the only rejected candidates before the online assessment were those who ticked the I have the atpl on the portal. I suppose you didn't, as you are still under training.

tufa1993 16th Jul 2016 07:27


Originally Posted by Apitu (Post 9441555)
@tufa1993, probably because nobody checked the CV's. It's easier and less labor for them to wait for the results at the online assessments, as there will be less CV's to read. And maybe the only rejected candidates before the online assessment were those who ticked the I have the atpl on the portal. I suppose you didn't, as you are still under training.

Well, it is goodbye for me probably :(

PrettyFlyForAWifi 16th Jul 2016 08:07

The Flying through the tunnel assessment - I managed to not crash once but i maintained my speed at something along the lines of 68 to that i had full control. Anyone think this was wrong and i should of went full whack at full speed and made a few crashes?:eek::eek:

FlyVeryHigh- 16th Jul 2016 10:04

With regards the online personality test, the one with the slider. Can someone tell me the situation tied with it? Was it just how you compare to others on a general basis or was it meant to be how you act at work? I don't think I read the instructions properly...

EZY_FR 16th Jul 2016 12:24

How you feel you compare with others at work.

ezy308 16th Jul 2016 18:19

I had several crashes as well aha

polar25 18th Jul 2016 09:02

Did anyone else find that the gyrocompass spatial reasoning test was their worst? I found it rather confusing!

Also, is there any word on a timescale for hearing back?

PrettyFlyForAWifi 18th Jul 2016 09:09


Originally Posted by polar25 (Post 9443477)
Did anyone else find that the gyrocompass spatial reasoning test was their worst? I found it rather confusing!

Also, is there any word on a timescale for hearing back?

Spatial Reasoning..... My God...... thought I may have been the only one that was a bit lost on this!

Scagrams 18th Jul 2016 09:15

We'll most likely hear back next week I think, so that they have time to review every application, sort these out and maybe check again the CVs of potential elected candidates for the next phase. Might even be longer. If I am correct, there is one more online test after this one before the day in Dublin, right? If they are to advise people going to Dublin 1 month prior to the assessment (26-30 September), it means that there is still an entire month plus 10 days to get an answer from the 2nd online assessment...

clarkd34 18th Jul 2016 13:11


If I am correct, there is one more online test after this one before the day in Dublin, right?
Where did you hear this? The FAQ on the application page only makes mention of one set of tests. Then, shortlisted candidates will be invited to the group assessment stage which will be held in Dublin between Monday 26th September 2016 and Friday 30th September 2016.

Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the start of August before we hear back. I reckon they only looked at results today. But who knows :)

RedMachine 19th Jul 2016 05:36


Originally Posted by clarkd34 (Post 9443715)
Where did you hear this? The FAQ on the application page only makes mention of one set of tests. Then, shortlisted candidates will be invited to the group assessment stage which will be held in Dublin between Monday 26th September 2016 and Friday 30th September 2016.

Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the start of August before we hear back. I reckon they only looked at results today. But who knows :)

The information on their site is a bit conflicting. Indeed on the FAQ it says that shortlisted candidates will be invited directly to Dublin. However, if you take a look here ( cadet-pilots - Aer Lingus Careers ), scroll to the bottom, you will see Successful candidates at this point will receive another link for the next online assessment via e-mail.
But indeed, I assume that the FAQ info is updated, but who knows. Best of luck to all !

Scagrams 19th Jul 2016 06:47

I am not sure indeed. I thought I read this when I applied, however I might be wrong. Anyway there is no rush!


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