Seems rather unlikely that they would keep the application window open if they had already hired all they needed. Keep the faith!

Chaps look, just hang in there. There are literally no cadets in the system at all to take on. We've interviewed internal candidates, it's affiliated school recommendations next, then the general public. If the general public are being called at the moment then that's where it's at. For all those external candidates who haven't heard just hang in there and have patience. The flight ops dept dealing with applications is very small AND they have to do the interviewing.

Thanks for the information CC, out of interest did the internal candidates already employed by Flybe in other departments have to meet the same criteria as external candidates ie 90% average in written exams, JOC completed etc etc?

Good luck and best wishes to them.

Whatever happens cheers to the guys on the inside that have reduced the doom and gloom :D :)

I wouldn't do that right now if I were you M33. The lady that interviewed you is up to her neck in work and you'll p*#s her right off.

Non CTC cadets successful
 

As far as I know, I have two friends from OAA who have got the job with Flybe and start at the end of this month.
Granted, Flybe approached OAA and asked them to forward some CV's before online recruitment opened up so I have no doubt they did the same with CTC etc.
If that round of employment has now finished I would think they will start looking at the online applications so hopefully we'll hear something soon.

Expect a short time till training begins. Also my friends said they got no choice in bases.

They asked FTE for cadet recommendations. Sadly they were not interested in FTE instructor recommendations.

Very disappointing set of circumstances regarding pilot recruitment appearing in recent years. Since when did instructing at an integrated ATO rank lower than a fresh faced graduate at the same place?

A separate topic regarding the potential for flight safety being diminished amongst some airlines who seem to favour cheaper less experienced pilots has got to be on PPRuNe somewhere - anyone got a link?

Come on Flybe don't join the race to the bottom, please! :(

Sad and worrying times.

The market is strange.

Then the Airlines wants to have EXPERIENCED pilots.
And then they want to see Fresh Grads with only 200+ hrs TT. Impossible to follow.

But I understand it a bit.

The ones with FI exp or something like that are MAYBE harder to form. Well in their eyes then.

Why would an FI be harder to form?

If anything, having a couple of thousand hours instructing has told me I know very little. With experience I've become more humble as a pilot and as such would be more plyable.

Some people calling the shots in recruitment seem to have very jaundiced views towards anything they personally did not experience along their way. Fact!

Look guys, it's not fair to lay into Flybe over their recruitment practices, we're not like easyjet, far from it. We still take on pilots from a broad demographic. It isn't just cadets who are getting a look in. We take from cadets, fresh fATPLs, instructors, current airline pilots, air taxi etc. There is no discrimination. You need to vent your frustrations in the direction of the orange brigade.

Flybe DHC8 F/O recruitment
 

I completed my integrated course in jan 2010 and have been applying to every opportunity that comes up. The only thing I was not able to tick on my app was 50 hours in the last 12 months although still current, i met all ground school minimum requirements and first time IR and CPL. Although I have never been given a single opportunity for an interview I for one think things have improved in recent months and will keep going, people should wish those who are successful in finding a job all the best and its the likes of Flybe who offer bonds to pay for your type rating who still give me optimism for the future.
Good luck to all who have applied and don't listen to those who are always riding the neg bus!

Flybe DHC8 F/O recruitment
 

Mrs Spandex Masher is a very lucky lady!!

Minor footnote:

The current Flybe application does not request a CV.

Well one bit of "good" news is that Flybe doesn't require a JOC. If you don't have one they will send you on a JOC at Simtech at the candidates expense.

This is done prior to the sim check.

If Flybe really believe the JOC is a tangible useful asset to completing a Dash 8 type rating then the expense should be wrapped into the Type Rating Training bond, not footed by the candidates prior to completing the sim check.

It seems there is some agreement between Simtech and Flybe which is obviously a nice little earner for Simtech.

Surely there must be an employment law forbidding that kind of practice, if true?

Upthere, why would any employment law cover this, the candidates taking the JOC are not employed by Flybe.

If the candidates had been offered a job and then asked to do the JOC I wouldn't see it as an issue. Paying 2.5 k for a guaranteed job is a small price.

But paying 2.5k just to be eligible for the sim check, then this becomes an obvious money creation scheme for simtech.

There is no official agreement between Flybe and Simtech that you will find on written contract, but it is very apparent that some one at simtech must have a colleague at Flybe and there has been some behind the "scenes" arrangement.

Maybe employment law isn't the word but I know there are laws governing how interviews should be conducted and what questions can/cannot be asked etc.. So is it a stretch to think a practice such as this is on rather dodgy ground?

I could start my own business up tomorrow and request candidates go to my mates business three doors down the road and pay X amount of bucks to them before coming back for their second assessment - surely this would be considered a scam?

There is no scam. It is quite simple. Flybe require a JOC, if you don't meet the requirement you might not get taken on. If you apply without one when it clearly states you need one then who's fault is that? Go and get your own JOC done then you won't have to endure the Flybe one. If you don't want to meet their minimum requirements for application before applying then don't apply. But don't apply without their minimum requirements then whine about it on here when you get put forward to do their recommended one. It's what our forefathers faught for, it's called freedom of choice. You either want the job or you don't.

No choice about the (utterly irrelevant) JOC though, is there.

And by the way CC I'd say most people applying to Flybe want A job, not necessarily that job. Kind of smarts a bit when you have to pay even more cash on irrelevant chafe to get a break.

Don't preach to me about the irrelevance of it, I already know. But if they don't want "the" job, but just "a" job because they're desperate and want a break then that's even more reason to stop whining about it. If you want the job that badly then meet the minimum requirements, if not then look elsewhere. It really is that simple. Quite frankly if they're not interested in Flybe as a company but just want a job then personally I don't want them here.
And LSM if you want to talk about irrelevant costs and airlines then look no further than easyjet, Ryanair? And what about your mob? Jet2 isn't it? Offering 70% contracts, no pay until after line training and pay your own type rating? Preying on the desperate with irrelevant costs and terms and conditions? It stinks, luckily I was in a position to tell them where to stick their job. Very few airlines nowadays recruit the good ol' fashion way, maybe Monarch? Flybe is as close as it gets.

Flybe DHC8 F/O recruitment
 

The pilots who could benefit most are usually the same pilots who miss the point of the MCC!

CC, what about those who need a job? Like you say, preying on the desperate. It is a scam, of sorts.

By the way I needed a job when I started at Jersey European. I'd never heard of them before I was told I had an interview with them. I did 15 years and 4 TRs (the first was a jet, without having a JOC:eek:) at Flybe and was in the top 100 of the seniority list when I left. But you wouldn't have me because I had no interest or knowledge of them before I started?

As for the rest, at least A TR is relevant to the job.

If you're that interested I was bonded on a 100% contract and never paid a penny up front. I did have to suffer 3 whole months on half pay but as my training took sooooo long I was given 3 weeks worth of salary in a lump sum as a gesture of goodwill (can you lot even remember what that means?) and I now earn more than a 10 year LTC at Flybe and fly less than 500 hours a year.

Wingo, you do get paid whilst you're training, yes it's half pay but see my last post. 100% contracts are available with a bond, yes there are 70% contracts out there too and depending on your background you may or may not be bonded.

They're recruiting because they're expanding (do you remember what that means?) by 4 or 5 aircraft per year for the next 5 years so yes the cost base will go up.

The profit warning means they're not going to make as much profit as they expected, not a loss, and they've made a profit every year of their operation (do you remember what that's like?) but this year the market isn't as buoyant but we're still flying around with an 85-90% load factor (do you remember what that's like?)

Anyway, if one is going to pay for a job don't you think one will go for the job with the better prospects. Who do you think is going to pay extra money to fly a Dash? Probably those people who didn't get into Easy and are now desperate for a job, the very people CC doesn't want.

I don't have a Jersey hang up, neither do a laud something which doesn't deserves it. Maybe that's where your confusion lies.

Flybe DHC8 F/O recruitment
 

A student from Simtech just passed sim assessment and starts in September

See Airline Pilot Academy have launched a flight Instructor internship in conjunction with flybe, applications via their website www.apacademy.aero

The joc length matters to jet2, I think they want a 14hr joc as a minimum.

I also applied but do not have a JOC... I too am deciding whether to get one or not, but it was said here that you do not need one to apply, but it's needed for a sim check??
Can anyone expand on this... :confused: according to that statement, you MUST have a JOC prior to a sim assessment in that case.

As for the hours, as the application does not state any requirement, I presume any length is acceptable.

That's because you'll be flying an actual jet.

As I said a number of people were interviewed by flybe without a JOC.
Subsequently were asked to complete a joc at simtech, which was i also understand was conducted with flybe sops.

I personally see this as a revenue generating scheme for simtech.

However it shows that you don't need a joc to apply and it may infact be more prefereable if they can line you up as a customer for simtec rather than turning up with any joc course.

If you are the sort of candidate flybe want then it will be irrelevant if you have a joc for reasons given above.

From the candidates i met it was good to see one or two were high hour instructors, though most appeared to be young low hour newbies which I suspect were from approved flybe schools. In other words it is not worth doing a speculative joc to get selected by flybe.

By selected Flybe schools you meant the candidates that graduated recently and were sent by the schools,or have you met anyone who applied online,also from approved schools?
I graduated back in 2012,applied,not heard a thing yet.. I'd hope they put us out of our misery by now but I understand Flybe's recruitment team is severely overloaded with work.

Well to clarify I wasn't on the JOC course, but I was at simtec the week one of the Flybe JOCs was being run.

I didn't get to quiz every candidate on the JOC course to know the exact background, so I couldn't answer your question to that detail.

I did say "suspect" were from Flybe approved schools, though I may not be 100% correct. But with the number of applications it would seem logical that the approved school list would be used as a filter.

It's gone quiet on this thread, any word on when the rest of us might get a look in?

I guess CTC/CAE chiefs are smoking cigars as we speak…colleague of mine was interviewed last week, he says he only saw CTC/OAA cadets there,take it with a pinch of salt tho! I just hope Flybe have the decency and common courtesy of sending the rejection emails to candidates. Nothing worse than being treated with contempt when job hunting :*

It's good to get that closure with a PFO but they have saved themselves the hastle by detailing that individuals will not be contacted.

Update
 

Update direct from HR:

''This recruitment process will be ongoing for up to the next 12 months''

Through friends and other sources I have learned this much:

It is not closed, they need up to 60 FO's this year
They have no sim space to conduct assessments and have people who have passed interview awaiting until possibly October for an assessment date.
An equal number of cadets, experienced TP guys, RAF guys and instructors have been getting interviews.
Interviews can come on VERY short notice so be prepared.

Lastly, if you don't have a JOC you CAN still interview but you must be willing to go do a JOC before starting your TR or preferably before attending your sim assessment and they recommend Simtech for this but don't mandate where you do it as far as i know.

Hope this is as encouraging to others as it has been to me :ok:

good luck to all

Can anyone confirm (or dismiss) that the farcical "90%-average-on-ATPL- subjects and one-stop-modular-route" rules have been implemented?

Never heard a been from these guys despite >1000 hrs TP experience. Not holding my breath, though.

Hi, Has anyone got any info. regarding interview for experienced bod?

Unless the format has completely changed, expect about 15 or so HR type questions where you will be expected to answer with "give an example of a time when".

There will also be a small number of technical questions. Unless you are type-rated, these will be generic questions on aerodynamic theory or systems knowledge, with the level of difficulty determined by the flying experience of the candidate. These are generally not the questions where candidates fail.

Expect two interviewers, one from Flight Ops, one a current line pilot.

Congrats BShute. have you managed to get many hours since finishing your training and how old are you?

Well done @BShute, who are you cabin crew with? Glad to hear it does stand to you to make it to the flight deck!! Regards SAR