CTC Qatar Wings
 

Announced on Facebook tonight that CTC have officially launched their Qatar Wings MPL programme and are accepting applications.

Qatar Airways Pilot Training - Cadet Programme | CTC Wings

£105,000 for an MPL? Sounds like a brilliant deal!

I'll pass.

I think it is circa £96,000 all in, (some of which is returned during advanced training,) for an MPL which leads to conditional employment with a strong national carrier on modern jet equipment. This dovetails into an ATPL at 1500 hours (just like any other professional licence.)

There are no guarantees with anything, but given that reality, this programme and similar ones to it, are about as good as it gets for those looking for the fast track airline pilot apprenticeships.

Max age of 28!

Qatar mpl Programme - CTC
 

Hello ladies and gentlemen. The qatar mpl has just opened with CTC. I will be applying. Who else is considering it. :) Will be good to get different perspectives on this specific scheme. Cheers guys.

CTC Qatar Wings
 

Just to let you know the Easyjet MPL equated to approx 112k sterling approx...

Qatar mpl Programme - CTC
 

Hi, are a levels required to apply for this programme? Thanks.

I was really enthousiastic about this programme, but the tagged price is RIDICULOUS!

CTC Qatar Wings
 

Price is horrendous especially considering Qatr is govt backed airline with tonnes of cash.

They offer sponsorships to Qatari nationals. Anybody else will need to self fund, or seek whatever assistance may be available through their own nations government or private programmes.

No time pressure it seems.
Can those apply who failed Phase 2 of the easyJet MPL selection ?
I got an email saying that I have to wait 6 months before applying again. Does this apply to the Qatar course?

It would be hard to say, not knowing if the required criteria are different for each course. I would recommend you contact CTC and ask.

From the second page of the original link:

Hold a minimum of 5 GCSEs (or equivalent*) Grade C or above including maths, science and English language.

Be able to demonstrate that you have successfully completed secondary or high school education (or equivalent)

I hope they've actually got some work lined up for them, as I understand it, the wings cadets that did the A320 TR for Qatar over a year ago are not expected to do any actual flying until at least spring 2014 due to a lack of line trainers. The guys that opted for easyjet instead in 2012 will have received in excess of 1500hrs by that point.

My bold underline!!!!

You must be insane, sorry but the job isn't worth it. £105,000 to live in a sandpit in Doha, tax free but nowhere near cost free, I've been there, wouldn't want to live there! The company is, like many Middle east airlines, 'interesting' to work for if you are non local and, for all of this, you are shelling out £105,000!

Ludicrous.
:=

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if there's a previous flying hours limit to be eligible to apply to this programme?

Is there a reason for the lack of interest, thought such an opportunity would have a lot more posts.

Is there a guaranteed job after the completion of the course, or is it just a flight school marketing thing?

I would be very interested to hear the pay and conditions on offer for graduates of this program, as I have heard a "rumour" from a couple of my old mates in the sandpit that QR was making a special edition new contract for these guys, that is much lower than the regular F/O package :mad:

I strongly advise anyone applying for / accepting this program, to try and find out EXACTLY what's on offer at the end of it and get it in writing, before you spend your own money.

The main concerns with this scheme appear to be:

1) The exact terms of employment
2) Being dropped by qatar at some point before achieving 1500 hours

Compared with the EasyJet MPL and BA FPP there is very little precise information on exactly what the terms of your employment would be at the end. If this is yet to be clarified then that is acceptable but I agree that it would be very unwise to part with £105,000 without finding out exactly what your salary and terms would be.

Secondly people on here have suggested that Qatar have been very intolerant of any mistakes made by pilots and are quick to sack people for various things (only what I have read, no personal knowledge). This would be quite a concern as a sacking before you have accrued 1500 hours would leave you with nowhere to go, nontransferable licence and a large debt.

:confused::confused:
Are you insane people nowadays??
105.000£ is too much , so what's the difference with pay2fly? Someone could explain me?

At this point better to fly USa get licence with approx.30k come back and pay TR and LT with job opportunity and I think will be less than 105.000£ in any case!!!!!!

Then You do n ot have any garantee and Qatar is very strict company , strict internal policy , and you could be kiked out in any time loosing all your money and time!
Think...think well and do your search before!:ugh:

Well it's not really any different from the easyJet MPL scheme or the whole host of other "self-sponsored" schemes purveyed by OAA/CTC. Yes the headline price is £15k more (which is a lot I grant you...) but I suspect if you added up all the respective expenses not covered in the other cheaper schemes the difference would narrow a bit. Conceptually it is certainly no different. What would be the deciding factor of ultimate value would be the pay structure afterwards and therefore how long it would take to settle loans vs the pay delivered after qualifying by other schemes.

P2F (in my book anyway...) means paying for the experience of the RHS on a public transport flight when it would otherwise be taken by a qualified and employed first officer.

Big question for most people would be do you want to live in Doha and work for an airline that one hears, at best mixed, reviews of as an employer...

Just a note of caution - the previous CTC Qatar cadets have been over there for more than a year now and have still not flown. Apparently they have now been told they may not fly until 2014. Also, from what I understand they are on reduced pay until they have completed line training.

Interesting, can I ask your source and also if they haven't flown what are they doing? :confused:

Hi.

Sources are a couple of guys I trained with. They did their type rating early last year and have not flown yet. They seem to like Qatar and have a good social life but after having been there over a year they are getting pretty bored. They often use staff travel rates to come back to the UK for a break but I understand they can only do this for a certain period due to tax??

I think they can be called at anytime to report in case their line training is brought forward, but at the minute I believe they won't start until the beginning of 2014.

That somewhat begs the question if they still have CTC cadets waiting for line training why are they opening a new scheme?

I know they have a lot of aircraft on order at the moment, possibly the delivery delays are making it hard to match aircraft and recruitment needs. Even so a year is quite a long time to waiting in Doha for!

Have they been given a reason?

A friend I spoke to is one of the CTC guys out there and he is bored! He says it is to do with the lack of instructors out there that they can not fit in the time to do the A320 line training. He was told Feb 2014 he "might" complete line training.

This CTC scheme takes on a bigger risk than usual this time.
Qatar are meant to be Ruthless and unforgiving as employers

You have to pay £210 to CTC for Phase 2 and 3! Easy money for them, I'm sure they accepted everyone's applications.

Phase 2 and 3 is on the same day and it's only once 210GBP... you make it sound like it's twice 210GBP...

As i am still deciding on which route to go, i think i will undergo the assessment anyway, as it still counts as a CTC wings assessment. Good Luck to anyone thinking of doing it :)

Qatar is not for everyone. You might want to take a trip out first before spending your money. Also a number of people that are experienced have had issues in the past whilst working for Qatar Airways.

Their is another thread recently regarding someone running into a problem with Qatar and loosing their job. A number of people have had problems that have led to them leaving or found themselves stuck their bored in Doha or not being treated that well by the company for one reason or another and trying to get out.

@Selfmade92 If you had a bill to pay of £210 for an ''airfare and a taxi'' how much would you pay...not confused?

It's quite different, but doesn't matter. Got invited, for phase 2 really excited, the reason it's so expensive I guess is because it's also in New Zealand.

EDIT: what is the best place to stay? I want to be as close as possible at the location of the assesement as I do not know how well the public transportation system is in Southampton.

Selfmade92,

I stayed there for a night prior to the assessment. The closest hotel that is reasonably priced is The Boathouse Hotel, in Hythe, Southampton (google it).
If you go by train, taxi will cost ~£27 to the hotel or the assessment centre (Dibden) . No idea how much a bus fare would cost.
You can also take a bus from the station which takes you to the Hythe ferry (for free). The ferry will cost £4.50 and you can get a taxi on that side so it will cost less than going by taxi straight from the station.
Obviously if you're driving this does not apply.

EDIT: You can also check out the Dale Farm House (near Manor Road). Better prices. Seems like I missed that when I was looking for accom. Could have saved £50 .....

Thanks, looks like I could just walk over there from Dale's Farm House. But that's only if Google Maps gives me the right location, somehow when I enter the Dibden Manor location into the bar it points to the All Saint's C to E Church... any insight this is the correct location? Because I really do not want to miss this. :O

Dale Farm
 

Dale Farm is extremely close to Dibden Manor. 3 minutes drive or 10 minutes walk. I've stayed there a couple of times; lovely people, lovely rooms, and one hell of a breakfast! Very highly recommended :ok:

I saw the ad in Flight - nice looking 777! I doubt any CTC trainees would see that aircraft for a long time. The other option would be to take the Easyjet scheme, fly for Easyjet for 5-7 years and then apply to Qatar again with competitive Airbus experience down the road if you get tired of earlies/lates and the same routes over and over and over. Who knows what the European airline landscape will look like in years? Maybe the ME will be the only place to go with serious growth just like today... It is clearly not perfect, but the ME airlines are growing and will continue to add more and more aircraft going forward. Getting in with Qatar now "might" be a good option IF you can afford it and if you plan on staying for a long while. I do agree that a visit to Doha and actually speaking with QR pilots from Europe would be smart - get their perspective and feedback before taking such a big leap.

Good thing training would take at least 18 months (probably longer) for new trainees because Qatar seem to have a big hiring and training backlog (see ME forum). Hopefully the training backlog will be reduced for new trainees in this programme, otherwise they will sit around in the heat by the pool waiting their turn. :eek::}

The only thing I'm concerned about is if after the training there're no positions available within the company, what's happening then? Are you still getting paid or are you left with a huge pile of debt?

The price of £105k isn't far off other existing training schemes if that is an all inclusive payment.

The CTC wings, BA FPP program and EZY MPL all mention a security bond "cost" of 69k. However if you actually want to complete the training, the cost is far closer to £105k...

The basic figures being 70k for the security bond, 20k for the foundation course, assorted living costs for two years being around 10k, and a possible type rating charge of 10k... If my maths serves me correctly that's still over 105k. I suppose the question is do they "include" a type rating and foundation skills course in that price.

Yes TR is included.
See the application page.
Qatar Airways Pilot Training - Cadet Programme | CTC Wings


EDIT : Unrelated to above.
I've been Googling Doha recently, wanted to see some pictures and opinions .
Sounds like an immensely boring place. Really slow development, slow business growth. Also barely any nightlife. Basically just smoke a hookah all day kind of place. Seems like a dull place to live in. (I like the look of it though.)