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corsair 29th Jul 2011 13:26

Well all will be revealed soon. The video is interesting the male FO looks very youthful but if he went to WMU he must be with them at least 12 years.

Given the amount of speculation and fantasizing about this. I will be interesting to see how it actually turns out.

I would be very surprised if it turned out to be fully sponsored.

Edit: Latest news is that it will be part funded.

mark_c 29th Jul 2011 14:20

Aer Lingus is delighted to announce a new Cadet Pilot Training Programme. The programme will be officially launched via national press advertisements and the Aer Lingus website on Sunday 31st July.

The Cadet Pilot Training Programme, which will be part funded by Aer Lingus, is an exceptional opportunity for individuals to train and qualify as a commercial pilot on the Airbus A320 fleet of aircraft.

The training programme, due to commence between late 2011 and early 2012, takes 14 months to complete and consists of a number of phases combining classroom and simulator based training. Upon successful completion, Cadets receive an Airline Transport Pilots Licence and Multi Engine Instrument Rating before undergoing Airbus A320 type training

havana_club69 29th Jul 2011 14:32

Id love to see them returning to WMU to complete the flight training!

Finally some definitive information on this subject, now we just wait to see what the small print has to say!

mark_c 29th Jul 2011 15:20

By the way folks that was an internal staff notice which i robbed from another forum, so credit goes to the poster on the other forum!

havana_club69 29th Jul 2011 15:24

Yeah got the same information from the same site you're talking about :D

IrishJason 30th Jul 2011 13:24

No let up RE the fine details yet no ? Still going to be about 90k up front and bonded etc ??

mark_c 30th Jul 2011 15:52

We should know by this time tomorrow!!!

stepdown 30th Jul 2011 20:18

Application in now open

Aer Lingus: Cadet Pilot Training Programme - Cadet Pilot Training Programme

Aerlingus231 30th Jul 2011 21:06

But it's still as ambigious as hell, no mention of cost or location..... And it closes on Aug 14th, which rules out this years leaving certs...

irish laddie 30th Jul 2011 21:18

Great to finally see concrete proof of the cadet programme. It is rather disappointing that the portion of the costs paid by the candidate remain a mystery.

dublinaviator 30th Jul 2011 22:10

It still doesn't say how the cost will be borne by the cadet. I'm still hoping that it will be in the form of a reduction in wages and being bonded to the airline for so many years. If its in the form of an upfront payment, then that rules me out...

Hardy Buck 31st Jul 2011 01:00

New D/E FO Pay is 54,700 PA.
Cadet Entry FO pay is 41,500 PA for first 24 months. ppjn..

Doing the maths from above I'd say a good guess is aerlingus will pay 25K, the other 75k is from your own pocket!

There are still a few sons and daughters of rich irish familys that can afford this so goodluck to them.
All they need to do is bribe the aptitude test people :ugh:

corsair 31st Jul 2011 07:47


But it's still as ambigious as hell, no mention of cost or location..... And it closes on Aug 14th, which rules out this years leaving certs...
No it doesn't rule out this year's school leavers. There'll be a pending box for the exam results. That was always allowed for in Aer Lingus.

The first test for applicants is understanding the application process:=

Another test is committment:

I'll be applying since I've always loved flying and wanted to be a pilot since the year dot, but it was the cost that put me off going down this route in recent years.
If you say that at the interview you won't be hearing from them again. It's not just rich kids who fly. Most find a way of getting the money. I know very few who had it handed to them. So if you get to the interview stage tell them how you had it all worked out if the issue arises.

BerksFlyer 31st Jul 2011 10:51

The form is very confusing if you haven't done the Irish system. It seems like the upper form can be used for GCSEs, the lower for A Levels, but we don't have the A1 A2 A3 etc. grades and there's no way of specifying that you're talking about junior cert (which I believe is GCSE equivalent) in lieu of higher cert (which is officially 2/3 of an A level). Even without that problem, the names of the subjects I did at GCSE aren't in the dropdown menu (My school didn't do individual science at GCSE level - it was science and additional science). I'd stick it in the 'other education' place, but I have a degree to be talking about too!

Very confusing form. It's not a case of 'the form filters out the idiots', it's simply that the form does not provide the answers required.

Speedbird13 31st Jul 2011 10:51

Argh, wish I was old enough to apply!
18 by January 1st 2011? no. :(

cessnagirl 31st Jul 2011 11:09

The application is up on their website. Don't be speculating about the costs or the training location. Read the website and you'll see ...

From the website...

Training Location
A number of training locations are being considered. The final choice will be advised to you later in the recruitment process. Opportunities for travel home during the course will be limited.

Training Costs
The approximate cost of the training programme is €100,000. If you are successful in your application you will be required to fund a portion of the training costs. The details of this will be outlined at a later stage in the selection process.


Just fill in the app and see what happens. Best of luck to all those applying.

XXX Cessnagirl

iFlyPilot 31st Jul 2011 11:09

It says in your profile that you are 19 Speedbird?

Good luck to all those who are applying.

loughrey1 31st Jul 2011 11:11

Hi guys, I am 17 and going into my last year of school this year. I live up in Belfast and have been looking at all my options of how I can train. I have been to both the OAA and PTC open days. Both good however liked the sound of OAA.
Now I have heard this cadet scheme I honestly have no clue.
Do you think Aer Lingus will run a similar scheme the same time next year? I really like the sound of the whole thing, not only because its part-funded, but also because they mentor you and you know that you have a very good chance of a job at the end!
Thanks

corsair 31st Jul 2011 11:24


Do you think Aer Lingus will run a similar scheme the same time next year?
You can never tell. Circumstances can change. When I was in school there were cadetships, fully sponsored, every year. When I left school I applied that year, didn't get in that time. No problem, try again next year. Only there was no next year or the year after and the cadets who got in when I applied ended up working all over Aer Lingus for years until slots came available. In an ironic twist four of them worked with me in the same job.

So just hope there's another competition. But makes plans for doing it all yourself.

nitro57 31st Jul 2011 13:18

UK exams
 
Berksflyer I 've got the same problem dont know where to put my relevant qualifications. Also reading the Educational criteria compared with the UK system and application form is quite confusing. Are they saying that the minimum qualications for UK candidates are passing GCSEs? I might send them an email asking for clarification and advice

BerksFlyer 31st Jul 2011 15:06

Well in the end I just didn't fill in the top bit. I filled in the second bit with both my A Levels and GCSEs - there wasn't enough room for all of them, but I put the key ones in. They're not going to fret over that surely.

Speedbird13 31st Jul 2011 20:01


It says in your profile that you are 19 Speedbird?

just noticed this myself :ok: I'm 17, sadly ):


But yes, good luck to everyone applying!! :)

Mike. 31st Jul 2011 20:13

I know that technically there should be equal chances for all EU residents but in practice would an English guy have the odds stacked against him when applying for this? Just curious!

BerksFlyer 31st Jul 2011 20:31


Originally Posted by Mike.
I know that technically there should be equal chances for all EU residents but in practice would an English guy have the odds stacked against him when applying for this? Just curious!

I'm curious of this as well. Hopefully the cream will come to the top. As we know though, that's too often not the case!

thisisadamh 31st Jul 2011 21:58

Cadet Program 2017?
 
Hi,
I would love to try for the cadet program but I would like to get a degree first. So I am wondering how often AerLingus offer the cadet scheme?

Thanks,
Adam

skyways1452 31st Jul 2011 22:58

Adam,

No-one really knows but they are looking for people mid-way through third level education or graduates so you're best bet is to do the degree and that will stand you in good stead should they advertise again.

1452

BerksFlyer 1st Aug 2011 00:34


Originally Posted by skyways1452
No-one really knows but they are looking for people mid-way through third level education or graduates so you're best bet is to do the degree and that will stand you in good stead should they advertise again.

Do you reckon that they'd be looking for those in third level education to finish their degree first? It seems like they want the successful applicants to be starting training later this year and so pack in the degree. I'd fully expect that anyway, but it's interesting that they're targeting those in the process of studying for a degree.

fms_fail 1st Aug 2011 06:23

They do not say you need a degree. It says third level studies. The reason for this is you are showing them that you can study as the 14 months of training is intensive. A hell of a lot of ground studies with practical flying. Trust me! :-)

loughrey1 1st Aug 2011 09:41

Do you not think in this day and age it is pretty unrealistic for them to ask for a degree. The cost of Flight school alone is $$$$$$$$$$$ and with university fees going up. Im 17 and all of my friends will be going into university this time next year. I have had to seriously consider whether it is beneficial for me to do a degree and to be honest it is not! It is what 3/4 years of paying up to 6k a year, plus living costs etc. Its alright for people in the south (I actually thinking the southern system regarding University is brilliant!) but for us up north it is just unrealistic!

Plus im doing A-levels in Physics, Maths, ICT andTechnology. They are hard! Do you not think that shows enough commitment and ability to complete the course, (which I know will be very hard and intense).

dublinaviator 1st Aug 2011 13:31


loughrey1: How is the system different? As far as I'm aware all uni applications in the UK are done through UCAS....
Grants in the UK only cover limited expenses, they don't cover the cost of tuition fees. Whereas grants in Ireland can also cover the registration fee depending on your circumstances. And in Ireland, it is 1 registration fee for every college, whereas tuition fees vary significantly in the UK depending on the college.

Speedbird13 1st Aug 2011 13:32


loughrey1: How is the system different? As far as I'm aware all uni applications in the UK are done through UCAS....

Southern Ireland is the Republic - so isn't part of the UK and thus has it's own system, which I'm assuming isn't as high student fees? Although even Scotland has much cheaper fees and a different system than England, Northern Ireland and Wales.





I agree with Loughrey1 though, It'll be about £12-15,000 a year for 3/4 years at uni to get a degree, and then an extra £70,000 for flight training afterwards? You're left starting at Aer Lingus with about £70,000 loans to pay back, plus an extra £60,000 you've got to start paying back in uni fees!

dublinaviator 1st Aug 2011 13:42


Southern Ireland is the Republic - so isn't part of the UK and thus has it's own system, which I'm assuming isn't as high student fees? Although even Scotland has much cheaper fees and a different system than England, Northern Ireland and Wales.
I don't think that stevop21 was implying the Republic was still part of the UK, at least I hope hes not that stupid.

I think he was just making the point that UCAS points are used to calculate the CAO points equivilant for students in the UK applying for college courses in Ireland.

Scandinavian123 1st Aug 2011 15:30

funding
 
what happens if get u selected and they make you fund 60-80 % of the training and you don't have the money? it's bad that they don't present the sum on the application page otherwise you might end up in deep s**t

dublinaviator 1st Aug 2011 15:39

funding
 
How would you end up in deep sh*t? If you have to get a loan, you'd only do that after being offered the job (by which time you'd know the final cost). The reason they can't give the sum now is because they're still negotiating with flight schools on prices.

MightyDucks 1st Aug 2011 23:24

Has anybody any idea how many cadets they are planning to take on?

MCDU2 2nd Aug 2011 10:16

Think it's about 20 from reading a union document that was issued a week or so ago.

docash1983 2nd Aug 2011 10:40

I guess the best we can hope for regarding personal funding is that the word 'partial' means just that. I do agree its a little vague as to how much they are willing to stump up. It may be the case that they have not decided yet (which i find doubtful). I guess as many have said the only way is to apply and see what happens.

Best of luck to you all

OldChinaHand 2nd Aug 2011 16:16

Aghast
 
Are EI out of their tiny little minds, how can this company, who are screaming for cost cutting, justify paying for Cadet training, when there are 100's of trained, jobless, deemed competent, fully qualified Pilots out there screaming for these positions. It beggars belief.

PS: I am not, have not applied to be, dont want to be an EI Pilot.

glanza97 3rd Aug 2011 18:17

i have to agree with you 'oldchinahand' i cant understand it either especially when they are trying to cut costs, and there are so many jobless A320 pilots out dare, you would wonder why they are doing this, anybody any ideas.??

Best of luck to anybody applying..

Jumna 6th Aug 2011 10:48

I totally agree with you OldChinaHand.

And please correct me if I´m wrong, but my understanding of their webpage is this €100,000 part-funded is only for the CPL/ATPL (frozen). How many flight hours will this give you?

What further concerns me is they state: "...When you have qualified from flight school you will be scheduled for the Airbus 320 type training course...."

To me, this sounds like the 100k is for the flight school training. After that I will be scheduled for the Airbus 320 Type Rating, which would appear to be another course and last time I checked cost about €35,000 for the licence (including 40 or so hours in sim & 6 touch & goes) plus a further €39,000 for 500 hours of line training.

Are Aer Lingus going to fund these courses too?

Remember, all of this for "...When qualified, you may be offered a position..."

And there are, not only as OldChinaHand has said, 100s of perfectly qualified pilots with experience currently unemployed and literally screaming for a job in an airline, but I would say 1,000s in Europe in the same position, including pilots working without pay just to get hours. It is a sorry sorry state and I´m disgusted at my national airline for chosing this route.

For those of you who are seriously considering becoming pilot, I strongly recommend speaking to a pilot who has already gone down the route of 100% funding their training themselves, and are without employment.


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