Hi everybody!

I have just received an e-mail telling me that my Application is not succesfull due to my German level...I have A2-B1 level, i have lived in Germany for a few months...
So, the invite me to call them if i improve my german skills...so you know, study german!! hehe!
good luck!

And actually perikitovolador... where did you state your language level? Because it wasn't so accurate for me...
By the way, does anyone want to sell his skytest version for DLR-GU? I got invited for a DLR screening in Hamburg in October...
Bye bye

Hello everybody just some info's for people who want to join Cityline...

That is a legal requirement in Germany...Just Put a copy with your application...
In Germany, you get points for Traffic violations, if you have more than 18 points you loose your driving license. Having more then 9 points (I think...) makes you potentially unstable and unable to hold an ATPL!!! So stop speeding:E...


Sorry no chance....You will have to start as First officer and you will have to complete the CRJ Type Rating again...:ugh:
And if you do not fulfill the requirements the Personal Vertretung will never sign your contract. Just the way things are done here...


For Cityline the sim check 5 years ago, and I am led to believe is still the same was Std departure, Repositioning, located where you, are fly to a fix (VOR) enter holding, fly a holding...Std ILS out of said VOR Go around...Std NDB with Landing...All Raw Data on the CRJ 700...Enjoy...
And beware even if you have difficulty maintaining Altitude or hdg or flying an ILS, NDB...they Just want to see that you know what you are doing and you won't kill yourself...Flying The CRJ is difficult especially if your just out if Flight school...The 200 has a roll rate of 180 deg/sec...so Go easy on the controls...
Some people have started on the EMB 190 as well and some on the good old AVRO...but she is leaving...so the majority will be for the CRJ...
If you wan't to join Lufthansa if you go for the 737...only FRA, there is no 737 based at MUC. Only 320...Or you go to Lufthansa on the EMB 190 and you will fly at Cityline on the EMB, with a Lufthansa Contract...best of both worlds...
And all contracts at Cityline are non Commutable....Lots of Hours and between 9-11 days off a month...expect 130h Flightduty and 60-80 Block hours on any Fleet. Average Leg time is round 1:25...But I have been clocking 170h Flightduty 80-95 Blockhours over the last 4 months, with around 9-15 nightstops per month.
But Flying is fun and your Collages are a great bunch...Work is interesting with around 85 destinations and night stops in 35 city's...Including some challenging airfields. (FLR, LCY, SJJ, INN)
There are some issues in Cityline, regarding FO Career possibility, do not expect a upgrade anytime soon...There have not been any upgrades for 4 years, we still have to many CPTs, people are leaving for 6 years to Condor, and the average age for CPTs is round 45...so there is nothing moving there.
The normal Cityline career is fly for cityline for 3-5 years then go to Lufthansa Cargo or Mainline.
But if you want a staple Employer with lots of flying around Europe this is just the place to be...and you earn a very (!) handsome salary. (Overtime is paid...) 105h Flightduty is the base...so Expect something around 25h pay extra that is just about 1/4 of your monthly salary (!)
For a base if you can get it go for MUC much more relaxed then FRA...Graet Countryside lots of things todo and by far the more prettier Town:8 but beware it is very expensive. Gets better if you move to the Countryside.


Hope this little Information Helps

I would have loved to be based in Germany. Too bad I'm not an EU citizen nor do I speak German! haha!

Hey Micky,

You got your facts right :D I am a type rated A320 FO, and soon I'll have the FU Condor. Before the interview there's a "Wissentest", 50 questions. Any idee where to find the database?
Thanks anyhow.

Condor Wissenstest
 

Hey A320 Dutchman,
Sorry I have no Idea... Don't know anything about the Condortest. Anyway it has been 5 years since I took part, so my Information might not be up tp date.

Best of luck for your FU!!!

Does anyone know if you can skip the DLR test if you have already passed one for a different (non-LH group) airline?

Thanks for the advice.

Could one as an american just get hired (with tons of type ratings and time), and go over and let them take care of the conversions, etc. (EU right-to-work stuff is just a paperwork thing right?).

No, at least not at LH group (which includes cityline). You will have to sort out your right to work, license (which includes taking the 14 exams) and visa on your own. You need a work contract to get a permanent visum which is required to get a right to work. Since there are more than enough european citizens to fill open spots there isn't a chance in hell lufty will help in any way.

Not to mention you'd have to be fluent in German.

Hi Guys,

I have a German Mrs, I'm from Australia and I'm very keen to work in Germany in the next few years.

I am just about to finish my 737 command here in Australia and after I finish that will start on my EASA LICENSE.

Couple of questions:

1. What's this DLR test?
2. Is the European scene picking up abut more now? (Ie aviation and the euro economy?
3. Chances of a foreigner getting a job in Germany?
4. Chances of direct entry captain? (Happy to go back to FO if it meant a job in Europe!)

ANY knowledge would be really appreciated!!

1: DLR is a aptitude , sensomotoric and knowledge ( ATPL , math, fysics) test used by all companies in the LH group for screening purposes.
the pass rate if you go unprepared is about 5% I've been told increasing by the amount of time you put into it preparing yourself. The tests are all done in German language no exception.

2: even Boeing, in there annual there is a pilot shortage comming articles, is adjusting there expected sales and growth down in Europe. KLM-AF, LH, IAG all are currently in a long term cost saving endevour. I think that says enough.

3:There are foreighners working in Europe so it is possible.
But dont bet they are eager to hire you when there are hundreds of their own who are currently unemployed.

4: not with LH, you begin as F/O. Other companies maybe but not sure.

Actually, fluent german is a requirement for nearly all german companies. Direct entry CPT is pretty much impossible, except probably sun express germany. Hiring is very slow though, with around 1500 to 2000 out of work CPL/ATPL holders in germany alone and a total of around 10.000 pilots employed in that country competition is stiff. Remember within the last year we saw quite a few companies go out of business, another one is closing next month.

No company officially admits that they do take age into consideration, however chances to get into all lufthansa companies above 28 to 30 are slim to none, official reason will always be something else than age, but it certainly plays a role. Air Berlin always liked to get older and more experienced pilots, but since they started their own cadet program those will be the first to be hired, currently hiring starts again with the last few flight school courses that didn't get a job after their linetraining but will probably offer a few positions beyond that, with over 4000 pilots in the hold pool there are enough to choose from though.

Foreign pilots are not uncommon, mostly european but quite a few from other regions as well do work in german companies.

22k,

Here's what I would do: If you are PIC experienced and current on the 73 why don't you apply to RYR, they are always looking for skippers. Once in get a Germany base. Now this will serve you two purposes, you can start putting in your logbook hours flown in Europe while also learning the language. Trust me the latter ain't an easy one... Both will set you up nicely for a later application with LH.

As denti has pointed it out quite rightly there is a large number of people out of work right now and surely many looking to jump ship also but you would have a job and could just patiently wait for LH to start recruiting experienced people.

The market will open up at some point. My guess is in two years at the very latest. However, be prepared to do many years on right before moving left with any of their carriers.

It is true legacies in Europe do not expect significant growth but I am yet to see airlines forecasting accurately the number of people needed. Things can change rather quickly sometimes. And when it does be there, in the country, ready to go.

I am just remembering also LH were recently looking for people for their cargo ops. Do not know though if hiring is still ongoing.

Good luck to you.

Thanks for the info guys,

Piloto, have you got any info on the likelihood of securing Sherman base? I see the wages and conditions for RYRpilots but couldn't see anything re bases? I would be trying to get to Köln or Hamburg....

Also, someone else mentioned age? I'm nearly 34 now and just hitting the left seat... Am I too old to head over u think?

The Mrs is the German, I'm coming over to live there with her, I'm wondering if I'll ever be able to make it!!

Thanks all for your info, much appreciated.

22k