DLR
 

Hiya,

I have been invited to take DLR test in Hamburg for Turkish Airlines which is in 2 weeks time. I have done a little search about it and I am pretty worried. It almost sounds like they are selecting astronauts!

Anyway, my question is that if I should wait to prepare for the test since there are some ways to study for it or I should go for it. Although it is designed to measure the ability, I think one can still learn to get better at it.

Thanks in advance for your advice.

LB

Hello!

Wait and prepare! For any vacant posotion, a certain number of applicants are invited to the tests, which means, that the applicants compete against each other, not against a passing mark (as for example in your ATPL exams). Only the two or three best applicants out of ten in each test will pass. And you can be sure that nine out of ten candidates will come well prepared. Without specific preparation, you stand zero chances of passing, even if you are a Nobel-price candidate otherwise.

Good luck!

Thanks what next, I will wait:ok:
LB

For which position have you been called by Turkish?

tks :ok:

FO. Although, in my previous searches I had never been told that Turkish had such a difficult test to employ its direct pilots. Well, it is a good thing I guess.

LB

Pilotenboard.de :: DLR-Test, Lufthansa, AUA, ... :: Infos, Ausbildung, Erfahrungsberichte :: Index may be here if you are a little bit patient in traslating you may find ot something interesting.

How did you apply to Turkish?

:ok:

I did apply by using all possible ways for many times...After a year and a half I got the phone call...You need to be a Turkish citizen and need to prove your English level. I think they pay for the TR and you need to make a contract for many years.

So, I will be studying like mad for few months from now on.....:eek:

Thanks
LB

I hope the link will be useful for your selection process.

All the best :ok:

Hello,

I have been waiting for Turkish to give me the test date, but I have a question for those who have experienced the DLR in Hamburg especially for those who had a full /part time job during the preparation....

Can the preparation be done whilst working or is it better to take few months off just for studying?

I purchased the skytest and I am totally gob smacked:\

Ps: I am aware that everybody has different learning techniques/ circumstances..I am just after some tips/ advise from the people who experienced the process..
PS: Any candidates took these tests for Turkish Airlines, please share your experiences.

Thanks
LB

DLR :|
 

I am applying for a 'rotor wing pilot' job. and i have been practicing big time:ugh:.
the only problem am facing is this :mad: visual memory thingy. it's killing me.
can you please share techniques and ways to do well in this one:confused:. prolly all ova tests:E.
Also if anyone have an idea or heard anything about the percentage needed to pass DLR test content. you know sharing is caring:D.

My Qs. Might sound stupid:} bit this job means a lot.

thanks in advance:ok:

Hi there,
I did that DLR-stuff in 2006, passed, and flying now for one of those Lufthansa-Companies.
In fact, nobody is competeting agains other applicants.
Everybody is trying to defeat mean values, collected in dozens of years with ten-thousands of applicants. One just needs to be avarage or slightly above avarage.
Initially the tests look frightening, but in the end, it's not too bad - always keep in mind, all others are as frightened as you...
A good source of information is the German Pilotenboard.de :: DLR-Test, Lufthansa, AUA, ... :: Infos, Ausbildung, Erfahrungsberichte :: Index
You might try to use a translation programme.
Some tests can be trained with those official DLR training software. A good commercial training software is SkyTest - Preparation Software for: DLR Test (Lufthansa, LH Italia, Austrian Airlines, Turkish Airlines, Royal Jordanian, SunExpress, DFS), Swiss, Cargolux, FEAST (Eurocontrol), Austro Control, Skyguide
It costs some EUR 50,-.
However, that piece of software contains many older tests, which are not used anymore at the DLR; therefore please check out that Pilotenboard.de :: DLR-Test, Lufthansa, AUA, ... :: Infos, Ausbildung, Erfahrungsberichte :: Index to see which tests are indeed being conducted at the moment.
Good luck,
McFly

Hi Jabr,
which visual memory test? There are several (old, retired ones and some tests which indeed are being conducted)...
Noboby really knows the pass marks; they're kept secret.
There's only on one test some reliable information by the DLR which leaked into the internet. It's concerning the RMS-Test (Running Memory Span), where numbers are being continously read to you and suddenly you have to key in as many numbers from your memory as possible in reverse order. I think, that's a very, very bad one... :ugh:
So, just for example, see here (german):
http://www.psych.uni-goettingen.de/c...stract_id=1224
They say, the mean value is !only! 3.8 correct digits, while the standard deviation is 0.67. Maybe mean value + standard deviation (4.5) is already more than enough!
So, don't let them drive you mad - that's all they wanna see... :eek:
And don't trust people who claim to enter in this test e.g. 8 digits - it's bullsh...
I had avarages of just 5.2 - 5.6 correct digits and I've been told, that it was pretty good.
Another example: Mental arithmetics.
I've heard from several others who have entered just two or three solutions at all - without knowing if these have been correct; and they all passed.
So, there's the assumption, that this tests is only there to put you under heavy stress for the next tests, since only very, very few individuals are good in mental arithmetics.
Conclusion: In the end, you even don't know if a certain tests indeed checks the abilities which it claims to check. Some tests might serve a completely other purpose than might might look like on the first impression.
So, my simple advise is just:
Don't let them drive you mad, that's most important, because that's what they wanna see primarily.
Do as well as you can. Be prepared as well as you can.
Be as honest as you can (very, very important!).
Don't listen to what others say. Nobody knows the real pass marks. At lot of people are showing off with tuned results in the preparations or they're unhonest to themselves and even in the test, e.g. when entering columns of 10 digits in the RMS (which might kill you, as I *believe*)...
You will be fine.
Simple as that.
All the best & good luck!
McFly

Just one more thing...
Yes, the DLR is !indeed! selecting even astronauts for the European Space Agency (ESA) and partly NASA.
It is an very old and worldwide renowned *scientific* institution, founded in 1907.
I stress it's "scientific" to underline that all these tests have not been the idea of some mad personons during tea time - they're all very carefully tested for significance against tenthousands of persons. So, what I wanna say: They don't fool you for no pupose, they're not kidding you, etc.
Be honest (!), you never know, what's the real pupose, you don't wanna be caught lying, be prepared, BE CALM, YOU WILL BE FINE.
They know very, very well, we're all ONLY HUMANS, making errors all the time - and all tests are in the end so difficult, NO HUMAN can solve them completely.
They're complaisant, they DON'T WANT to kick you out. You'll get a very fair chance.
This test is NOT MISSION IMPOSSIBLE; in the end, even I made it...
It's not too bad, it's OK.
Finally, all the best to you.
McFly

I don't know whether to be relieved now or more stressed :}
I'm up for interview with a company at the end of August and if I pass then on to Hamburg for the DLR test....Have to say the download prep software seriously freaked me...especially the Mental arithmetic involving getting square roots of 4 digit numbers ...made me think they're looking for "Rainman" ..I knew a kid when I was young who could do that but hell...I wouldn't want to be sitting in a passenger seat behind him!!;)
The MEK-Visual_Memory test is a B**ch and when I did it first got about 5%...help..:yuk:

Raven, good news: the mental arithmetic is not part of the actual test. bad news: the visual memory test is......

Raven, just learn square numbers up to 30 and cubic numbers upt to 10....
If you know these values by heart it will help a lot...

Having worked on them for a while now they seem to be getting easier...I have the mental arithmetic sussed..I think...thanks to the tips and tricks on wikipedia Mental calculation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... but have to say, I'm still finding the Visual memory and cube rotation very difficult to get my head round...though I suppose they'll improve with practice as well.
Does anyone know what the expected/average pass marks are?
What was that Tuborglite about the mental arithmetic not being part of the test?? I'm disappointed now after all that work!!:}

Just like i said, the mental arithmetic subject that you have on your cbt is not part of the actual dlr test.

I hear there is also a more "conventional" psychometric test as well...??

DLR? Skytest? attc.de?
 

Hi there all,

Im non German speaking (so tips such as those given atPilotenboard.de :: DLR-Test, Lufthansa, AUA, ... :: Infos, Ausbildung, Erfahrungsberichte :: Index not much use for me)

I am hoping to be shortly invited to maybe a few comps. who will request the english version of the dlr. However, dlr does not give you a password to practice if you have not already been invited to do the test by a company.

Questions:

Regarding the Sky test, is it worth it making the investment?
I have read many of the tests might be outdated.

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They seem to be expensive, but knowledgeable? up to date tests?

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks everybody

Raven, its the 9 psych tests plus a personality test with questions like: have you ever had negative thoughts about immigrants? if you pass this part, you will have an interview with dlr psychologists and a captain or hr person from the company. here they will try to push a few buttons and see how you react, maybe they use your answers from the personality test, who knows. Be prepared for evereything from easy q`s about your life and training to accusing you of different things.
Final tip! Read up on, and get some knowledge about the history of the country you are going to work in!!!!!

Break a leg.

Debs, if the company plans on inviting you for interview and hopefully the following dlr test, they will give you access to the cbt well before the actual test, probably at least a month. Because the companies know of the high failure rate and doesnt want to pay for tickets and hotel for people who havent been training on the cbt. Have not tried the skytest thing so no comment.

I took the DLR for Turkish on June 25th along with a group of mostly 'ab initio' applicants and a few ATPL holders. The only difference was that the ATPL guys had to take an additional 30 minute aviation related test. Turkish opts for the one day exam as opposed to Lufthansa who requires a multiple day exam or so we hear.

Our schedule was as such:
English
Concentration
break
Math
Spatial orientation
break
Running memory span
Character evaluation survey
lunch
Perceptual speed
Physics
break
Cube Rotation
Visual Memory
break
MIC

I bought SkyTest beforehand and also used the CBTs provided by the DLR center so any questions you might have I can answer for the next two days before I leave for bootcamp.

LH italy DLR subjects???
 

The CBT contains the following:
ENS-English
KRN-Mental Arithmetic
MEK-Visual Memory
OWT-Perceptual Speed
RAG-Mathematics
RMS-Running Memory Span
ROT-Cube Rotation
SKT-Concentration
TVT-Physics
VLR-Spatial Orientation

Is all of this being tested on the DLR TEST for LH italy???
Thanks!

In case you did bother to read the posting above yours (I assume not), all subjects are being tested.

Any UK citizens who got hired by LH italy?

Thanks

I've talked to a few of the guys who've done the Tests and it appears not to be as bad as I first thought...
I wouldn't pay to do mock tests with another company as you will get all the necessary sample tests to enable you to prepare once you get selected by an airline.
Why would you want to prepare for the tests unless required by a prospective employer?

Thanks Tuborglite. Some very useful info. In for my 1st interview tomorrow so hopefully will be off to DLR at the end of September :ok:...

DLR LH Italia/new visual memory test
 

Hello everybody,

Can someone tell me if the real VMC test is made of the same shapes as the new test we had to download a couple of weeks ago?

If it's the same shapes it makes the test a bit easier. I get around 81-83% for the moment, but that score doesn't seem to go up much unfortunatly http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...y_dog_eyes.gif

Thanx

OFC

Dlr Sunexpress!!!!!!
 

Hi guys,

I got an invitation for the selection process in SUnExpress for November..it will be 5 days of tests.. 2 days for company interview and sim and 3 for the DLR...
Any info about the SUNEXPRESS DLR??? I did it for LH italia and i didn t pass it..I m even surprised that they called me coz i know it is possible to do it just once....anyway...I dunno if to attend to it or not..I am working in a Company in europe with very nice people ...the salary is not like sun express but at least I am in europe...any suggestion??

Cheers

Hi blusky75,

concerning the SunExpress DLR I know that they originally only did the DLR GU (1 day), simulator screening and an interview with two DLR psychologists on another day.

Rumours amongst SunExpress pilots tell that they now switch to the full DLR process like LH Italia does it.
But that wouldn't mean 5 days of testing? :rolleyes:

You can do the DLR process numerous times, but only once with one airline.

Hope that helps, Cheers!

Hi Guys,
just to let you get some feedback..
I sat the DLR a week ago and failed as did a number of other testee's Not sure really where it went wrong to be honest as I thought I did a reasonably good test :ugh:
The tests are pretty much the same as the samples given by DLR the only difference was that we got an aviation test instead of a physics one with a bank of ATPL question... departure and weather etc
Then there were 2 Profiling questionnaire's 1 for your personality and the second for CRM. the CRM was a bit crap really but there you go...the CRM one was split with the second part being about "what would you do when programming the FMC?, if the captain wants to deviate from established procedures?...does automation make your life easier?" etc etc
Math was tougher than the sample with an emphasis on factorising and other questions like calculating the area of a semicircle with 2 smaller semicircles cut out of it...etc
can't say much more than that....the English test was quite tough as well though I'm a native speaker and reckon I should have passed that ok...

The schedule was exactly the same as posted above by Efe Cem Elci
Hope you guys have better luck than I did...I'll let you know more when I receive feedback from DLR....:sad:

Hi Raven1972,

Thank you for your feedback about DLR test. What was the company for which you applied? Turkish Airlines, LHI...
Regards

Hey guys!

I also got an invitation for the DLR test for LH-Italia...
I know that the first test is the DLR that takes all the day.
Do we have the answer at the end or we have to wait some days?
And if we have the answer after the test and that it's OK, do we have to stay in Hamburg or we will be called by LHi some days after?

Thank's !

Hope to see all pilots there in a flightdeck!

You will receive your results 7-10 days after you sit the DLR so you can go home afterwards and wait to receive your results.

Hi Debs,

Skytest is the best investment you can make. Of course with dedication and lots of practise, no reason you should fail. For ab-initio guys, physics might be a bit of an issue because it's more about good understanding of the principles but you won't find it in skytest. You really need to revise your high school physic books if you are not already familiar with it.

Having said practise would do anything better, visual memory part is really something beyond skytest or anything else you find in the market. I cannot advise enough to do more work on this than any other part of the test. I haven't managed to find out what exactly improves visual memory myself but it was really hard to focus and try to memorize all the symbols in a short time and remember the first symbol you saw....

Best wishes,
LB

HI Guys,
Just to follow up on my recent posts...
I talked with the Psychologist in DLR and it seems that I passed all the tests except for the MIC (Monitoring and Instrument Coordination).
My conclusion to this is that you should buy the Skytest if it does indeed contain training software for the MIC. It seems strange to me that DLR provide samples for all other tests except the MIC given that their philosophy is to allow to to practice until you reach a plateau of your ability whereby your skills are then properly verified. Given that I never had a chance to fly the MIC before and given that if you fly it like an aircraft you will fail it doesn't seem to me to be a proper gauge of you abilities. Rather its like playing a video game for the first time and not succeeding (unsurprising).
It certainly may be good for someone without Aviation training. An 18 yr old straight out of school who hasn't been trained to specifically fly a certain way and not over-control......
So, I guess spend the money on the Skytest and don't HOPE that you will master the MIC first time round in a high pressure environment....:ugh:

It was with Luxair

Hi Guys,


I have been invited for the DLR test at LH Italia (February 2011)... Did anyone already go to Hamburg for this selection? If so, any tips would be welcome.

I tried a DLR sample at a friend's house who got invited for LH main company, it looked like a crazy test!

Anyway, in the meantime, I'll practise on the DLR CBT LH Italia gave me access to!


Thanks for your help!

Yeah, It seems crazy at first but persevere and you will find it gets much easier. You won't believe how good you will get after a week or two training on it.. :ok:

For anyone going, BUY SKYTEST and practise with it!

Estimated pass rates at LH Mainline are 7-10 (!!!) percent, probably even lower taking all factors into account.

Chances are you'll NOT be within these 7 if you have not seen and practised some of the tests before.