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Old 11th Apr 2010, 10:49
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DLR

Hiya,

I have been invited to take DLR test in Hamburg for Turkish Airlines which is in 2 weeks time. I have done a little search about it and I am pretty worried. It almost sounds like they are selecting astronauts!

Anyway, my question is that if I should wait to prepare for the test since there are some ways to study for it or I should go for it. Although it is designed to measure the ability, I think one can still learn to get better at it.

Thanks in advance for your advice.

LB
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Old 11th Apr 2010, 11:24
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Hello!

Anyway, my question is that if I should wait to prepare for the test since there are some ways to study for it or I should go for it.
Wait and prepare! For any vacant posotion, a certain number of applicants are invited to the tests, which means, that the applicants compete against each other, not against a passing mark (as for example in your ATPL exams). Only the two or three best applicants out of ten in each test will pass. And you can be sure that nine out of ten candidates will come well prepared. Without specific preparation, you stand zero chances of passing, even if you are a Nobel-price candidate otherwise.

Good luck!
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Thanks what next, I will wait
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Old 11th Apr 2010, 12:17
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For which position have you been called by Turkish?

tks
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Old 11th Apr 2010, 22:11
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FO. Although, in my previous searches I had never been told that Turkish had such a difficult test to employ its direct pilots. Well, it is a good thing I guess.

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Pilotenboard.de :: DLR-Test, Lufthansa, AUA, ... :: Infos, Ausbildung, Erfahrungsberichte :: Index may be here if you are a little bit patient in traslating you may find ot something interesting.

How did you apply to Turkish?

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I did apply by using all possible ways for many times...After a year and a half I got the phone call...You need to be a Turkish citizen and need to prove your English level. I think they pay for the TR and you need to make a contract for many years.

So, I will be studying like mad for few months from now on.....

Thanks
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I hope the link will be useful for your selection process.

All the best
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Old 8th May 2010, 21:52
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Hello,

I have been waiting for Turkish to give me the test date, but I have a question for those who have experienced the DLR in Hamburg especially for those who had a full /part time job during the preparation....

Can the preparation be done whilst working or is it better to take few months off just for studying?

I purchased the skytest and I am totally gob smacked

Ps: I am aware that everybody has different learning techniques/ circumstances..I am just after some tips/ advise from the people who experienced the process..
PS: Any candidates took these tests for Turkish Airlines, please share your experiences.

Thanks
LB

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Old 15th May 2010, 05:45
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Exclamation DLR :|

I am applying for a 'rotor wing pilot' job. and i have been practicing big time.
the only problem am facing is this visual memory thingy. it's killing me.
can you please share techniques and ways to do well in this one. prolly all ova tests.
Also if anyone have an idea or heard anything about the percentage needed to pass DLR test content. you know sharing is caring.

My Qs. Might sound stupid bit this job means a lot.

thanks in advance
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Hi there,
I did that DLR-stuff in 2006, passed, and flying now for one of those Lufthansa-Companies.
In fact, nobody is competeting agains other applicants.
Everybody is trying to defeat mean values, collected in dozens of years with ten-thousands of applicants. One just needs to be avarage or slightly above avarage.
Initially the tests look frightening, but in the end, it's not too bad - always keep in mind, all others are as frightened as you...
A good source of information is the German Pilotenboard.de :: DLR-Test, Lufthansa, AUA, ... :: Infos, Ausbildung, Erfahrungsberichte :: Index
You might try to use a translation programme.
Some tests can be trained with those official DLR training software. A good commercial training software is SkyTest - Preparation Software for: DLR Test (Lufthansa, LH Italia, Austrian Airlines, Turkish Airlines, Royal Jordanian, SunExpress, DFS), Swiss, Cargolux, FEAST (Eurocontrol), Austro Control, Skyguide
It costs some EUR 50,-.
However, that piece of software contains many older tests, which are not used anymore at the DLR; therefore please check out that Pilotenboard.de :: DLR-Test, Lufthansa, AUA, ... :: Infos, Ausbildung, Erfahrungsberichte :: Index to see which tests are indeed being conducted at the moment.
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Old 8th Jun 2010, 13:45
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Hi Jabr,
which visual memory test? There are several (old, retired ones and some tests which indeed are being conducted)...
Noboby really knows the pass marks; they're kept secret.
There's only on one test some reliable information by the DLR which leaked into the internet. It's concerning the RMS-Test (Running Memory Span), where numbers are being continously read to you and suddenly you have to key in as many numbers from your memory as possible in reverse order. I think, that's a very, very bad one...
So, just for example, see here (german):
http://www.psych.uni-goettingen.de/c...stract_id=1224
They say, the mean value is !only! 3.8 correct digits, while the standard deviation is 0.67. Maybe mean value + standard deviation (4.5) is already more than enough!
So, don't let them drive you mad - that's all they wanna see...
And don't trust people who claim to enter in this test e.g. 8 digits - it's bullsh...
I had avarages of just 5.2 - 5.6 correct digits and I've been told, that it was pretty good.
Another example: Mental arithmetics.
I've heard from several others who have entered just two or three solutions at all - without knowing if these have been correct; and they all passed.
So, there's the assumption, that this tests is only there to put you under heavy stress for the next tests, since only very, very few individuals are good in mental arithmetics.
Conclusion: In the end, you even don't know if a certain tests indeed checks the abilities which it claims to check. Some tests might serve a completely other purpose than might might look like on the first impression.
So, my simple advise is just:
Don't let them drive you mad, that's most important, because that's what they wanna see primarily.
Do as well as you can. Be prepared as well as you can.
Be as honest as you can (very, very important!).
Don't listen to what others say. Nobody knows the real pass marks. At lot of people are showing off with tuned results in the preparations or they're unhonest to themselves and even in the test, e.g. when entering columns of 10 digits in the RMS (which might kill you, as I *believe*)...
You will be fine.
Simple as that.
All the best & good luck!
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Just one more thing...
Yes, the DLR is !indeed! selecting even astronauts for the European Space Agency (ESA) and partly NASA.
It is an very old and worldwide renowned *scientific* institution, founded in 1907.
I stress it's "scientific" to underline that all these tests have not been the idea of some mad personons during tea time - they're all very carefully tested for significance against tenthousands of persons. So, what I wanna say: They don't fool you for no pupose, they're not kidding you, etc.
Be honest (!), you never know, what's the real pupose, you don't wanna be caught lying, be prepared, BE CALM, YOU WILL BE FINE.
They know very, very well, we're all ONLY HUMANS, making errors all the time - and all tests are in the end so difficult, NO HUMAN can solve them completely.
They're complaisant, they DON'T WANT to kick you out. You'll get a very fair chance.
This test is NOT MISSION IMPOSSIBLE; in the end, even I made it...
It's not too bad, it's OK.
Finally, all the best to you.
McFly

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Old 22nd Jul 2010, 17:04
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I don't know whether to be relieved now or more stressed
I'm up for interview with a company at the end of August and if I pass then on to Hamburg for the DLR test....Have to say the download prep software seriously freaked me...especially the Mental arithmetic involving getting square roots of 4 digit numbers ...made me think they're looking for "Rainman" ..I knew a kid when I was young who could do that but hell...I wouldn't want to be sitting in a passenger seat behind him!!
The MEK-Visual_Memory test is a B**ch and when I did it first got about 5%...help..
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Raven, good news: the mental arithmetic is not part of the actual test. bad news: the visual memory test is......
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Old 28th Jul 2010, 10:51
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Raven, just learn square numbers up to 30 and cubic numbers upt to 10....
If you know these values by heart it will help a lot...
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Having worked on them for a while now they seem to be getting easier...I have the mental arithmetic sussed..I think...thanks to the tips and tricks on wikipedia Mental calculation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... but have to say, I'm still finding the Visual memory and cube rotation very difficult to get my head round...though I suppose they'll improve with practice as well.
Does anyone know what the expected/average pass marks are?
What was that Tuborglite about the mental arithmetic not being part of the test?? I'm disappointed now after all that work!!
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Old 8th Aug 2010, 17:21
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Just like i said, the mental arithmetic subject that you have on your cbt is not part of the actual dlr test.
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Old 9th Aug 2010, 11:50
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I hear there is also a more "conventional" psychometric test as well...??
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Old 9th Aug 2010, 17:46
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DLR? Skytest? attc.de?

Hi there all,

Im non German speaking (so tips such as those given atPilotenboard.de :: DLR-Test, Lufthansa, AUA, ... :: Infos, Ausbildung, Erfahrungsberichte :: Index not much use for me)

I am hoping to be shortly invited to maybe a few comps. who will request the english version of the dlr. However, dlr does not give you a password to practice if you have not already been invited to do the test by a company.

Questions:

Regarding the Sky test, is it worth it making the investment?
I have read many of the tests might be outdated.

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They seem to be expensive, but knowledgeable? up to date tests?

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks everybody
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