NetJets 2008
 

So, who's been successful?
I'm through to Stage 2! :eek:

Congrats on Stage 2, this is at OAT-yes?

Any idea what NetJets have said so far in terms on how long they will run these, until END of 2008 anyway?

Tom

Tom the scheme is now effectively open on a rolling basis. OAT will run assessments fairly regularly (possibly once a month but don't quote me on that). They will compile files and send them to NJE who will run stage 3 once every 3 months or so. They plan to recruit 48 cadets each year.

Re NetJets
 

Hi,
I just got an email a while ago telling me I got through stage 1 and was invited to stage 2 at OAT , further datails to be given shortly.
First of all congrats to all those who applied and congrats to all those who got through this stage, and good luck to all, of course.
Any idea what percentage of original applicants might have been called for stage 2 and how many more or less we will be at that stage?

besides that, any help or advice or hints as to what and how best to prepare would be highly appreciated.

Thanks and regards

Hi Phil.

I've seen you around the OAT forums...how are you getting on, if I remember correctly you are on a NJE cadet-ship - congrats.

Thanks for that, gives me a better understanding of what they are up to!

Cheers

No worries.

I am nearly half way through ground school and my first set of ATPL's is early December (time seems to really fly!).

The new course of cadets started today and there is a much wider spread of nationalities which is good. I think that makes 27 of us here now.

You just missed one of the larger open days and NJE brought a Hawker 800 down which was nice but rather crowded as there were something like 500 attendees - most of whom wanted to get into the cockpit.

If you have not yet applied then I recommend you do if you think business aviation is the right lifestyle for you (obviously everyone is different.)

Cheers

I'm also through, looking forward to meeting some of you in Oxford in December :)

Chris

I have also been accepted for Stage 2 but I am currently weighing up OAT vs Cabair (it is nearer to me) ...also the whole 'You must have accomodation at OAT' issue


I will have a think :)

So, if I'm reading this correctly, the successful candidates have already been sent conformation for Stage 2 progression...

Not heard anything so I guess that means a new application then!
OAT & NJE confirmed that their application process was monthly ongoing now, with an annual intake of 48, so there’s hope yet I guess.

The NetJets guys at Oxford on Saturday were really helpful and gave a good insight into the lifestyle involved. Sealed it into my mind that this is what I’d like to pursue. Plus the Hawker was might impressive and well worth the 40min wait!

So if anyone from NJE is reading this, then I’d like to say thanks for the info and get ready for my 2nd application!

****EDIT****

Just picked up the confirmation email for Stage 2. MADE UP :ok:
Best get practicing that trig / MA / numeracy...

I'm booked in for Dec 12th & (hopefully) 13th too

Congratulations!

I was not so lucky. I was rejected for stage 2. It was disappointing since I am really good at those sort of tests they use for stage 2.

Well, I guess I just have to submit a new and better application in some months.

By the way, does anyone know if norwegians are allowed on the program? I guess it must be that or my essays that lead to me being rejected...

I don't know about the programme but we certainly have Norwegians flying for us. :ok:

Anybody else going down on the 12th and (hopefully :uhoh:) 13th December?

Chris

I'm going down on the 5th, looks like I'll be one of the first!!

Congrats to everyone, look forward to seeing some of you down there!

The OAT/NetJets FAQ says applicants must have EU or Swiss citizenship. Norway is not part of the EU. Perhaps the ones Redsnail mentions have dual citizenship. I'm not sure why the rules would be different for cadets than direct entry pilots, but it appears they are.

No, they don't have dual citizenship. They are "just" Norwegian. We've also got Swedes too. They are a part of Schengen though.

Hi guys/gals!

Got my response from OAT for the 5th aswell.:)

Still, im in two minds whether to go any further.

My issue is with the Netjets lifestyle. While the idea of flying business jets to a changing destination everyday sounds exciting and the pay and conditions seem quite good, its the idea of working 5/6 days away from base that worries me.
Now I know your going to say, "well if thats your issue then you shouldnt seek a career flying."
Now maybe its just me but the idea of being away from your wife/husband/partner or kids for nearly the entire week for the course of your career seems quite extreme. Not only on yourself but the people close to you.

While im aware that being a pilot involves trips away, overnights etc. its the thought of knowing that with the likes of Netjets, you will spend nearly half your working life seperated from ones loved ones.

Maybe im wrong but from what I know of other airlines, you seem to be home after every shift and if not then maybe after an overnight or two. Thats fine with me. Even the idea of spending a week away from base once a month or something similar is fine with me but the Netjets schedule comes across a tad severe.
I wonder how current Netjets flightcrews family's cope with the absence of their jet setting loved one?!

Anyway, my rant over.

Ill have to decide now whether to sacrifice my home life for my career...?:confused:

Incidentally, does anyone know if we have to prepare a proper CV for the stage 2 interviews?

And anyone planning to travel down to Oxford on the evening of the 4th?

108.9

The lifestyle - as a newly qualified pilot - is fairly specific to business aviation as when you join the airlines you will no doubt be flying short-haul. If you are having doubts at this stage then this might not be the right role for you but does not imply that there is not another more suitable position out there.

108.9

Actually I had to ask myself the same question. I will start @ Netjets in January. But: Now I worked in a company, a regional one, where you also can be away 15 nights a month, for half the money und you only have 8-9 days off.
When you look at the netjets schedule you will realise that when you calculate your days off and your vacation you will only work as less as 14 days a month average.

It's not too bad being away for 5 nights at a time. After all, you're home for 5 days in a row. I don't have kids but many of my colleagues do. They use Skype and other such means to call home as often as possible. If you have a genuine crisis at home, eg partner or child very sick etc, you'll be sent home without question. If you're injured at work or fall ill, you'll be sent home as soon as possible. The company will approve the use of you and your crew to fly yourself back to your gateway if no other means to get your home in a timely manner exists. (Exceptional circumstances of course, eg wife going into labour early etc)

I find getting the overnights "over and done with" in a block's much easier than 1 or 2 nights here and there. (Done that sort of roster too).

One thing to note, when you're on days off, the company will not contact you to "come in and help out". Every other company I have worked for has done that to me on my days off. Some more often than others. You also rarely do home standby.

It is possible to request specific days off if given enough notice. Something the loco's appear not to be able to do. (if going on what my husband's easyJet roster's like)

It depends on your energy levels but if you're working for eJ (for example), you'll do a block of earlies and that may have you in bed by 8pm if not earlier. If you're doing lates, you'll be returning home often after 10pm.

Each job has it's swings and roundabouts. If you don't think you can handle being away from home for 5 nights in a row (occassionally less - very rarely more) then don't join Netjets.

Thanks for the informative reply Redsnail. ;)

Yep, now on standby in Palma de Mallorca. Don't you feel sorry for me? :E

Wow do you have expectations I think you will find hard to satisfy in aviation)! Have you any idea what a hard core airline crew schedule is like? It sounds like you want to be a stay-at-home family person....like all day AND night! Do you know some people doing 9-5 spend 12 hours a day away from home? Some even have to spend all week away from home

Im aware of that Rainboe. My current job sees me working 12 hour days and im regularly away from home for up to 5 nights.
My point was that I wasnt sure whether the Netjets schedule of 5 days abroad for every working week of my career was something id want from a job.

108.9,

Five days abroad for every week within a 6 on 5 off pattern? excuse me, but I think you exaggerate. If not, where can I get some 11 day weeks? I'm so short of time for personal projects that I'd love an 11 day week with 5 of them to my self and family!

Also, nobody said you have to do it for the rest of your life. I would imagine NetJets ROI/payback is about 5 years, so I'd be surprised if you are obligated longer than that.

Selection Dates
 

Hi....

Anyone else down at Oxford on the 10th & 11th?:ok:

In the end I decided against going to Stage 2.

I realise any offer of sponsorship / mentorship must be jumped on but when you include the cost of mandatory accomodation at OAT and the hidden extras of money whilst in Phoenix it was asking too much really.

On top of that I have my University debt which is another factor.

I will be looking back towards CTC / Cabair.

hello taking to the skies

I'll be at oxford for stage 2 the 10/11th too.
I'll drive from Paris the 9th

see you there

Hi Alpha Mike,

Are you staying at Oxford airport or nearby?

cheers.

Taking to the skies

I'll stay at OAT accomodation sunday evening and hopefully monday evening too.
Sunday I'll probably be there around 5 o'clock, depending on my left driving adaptation......

Alpha Mike,

I'll email you my mobile number so we can have a chat before the BIG day - see you then
:ok:

I wonder how many people are applying this scheme who have always wanted to do private jet flying, and how many simply see it as a scheme to get a 'foot in the door' with the ultimate aim of working for the airlines? It's certainly one of the better schemes financially. However I guess some people might really enjoy it after all and stay, whilst others may decide to move on. I don't know how easy it is to move from private jets to airlines, as private jets are maybe under the MTOW threshold that some airlines look for (not sure of the exact figure, 25t rings a bell).

Certainly in the UK it is not rare and far from it to join an airline operating Airbus/Boeing with as little as few hundred hours on pistons or turbo props King Air style.
All companies have different mini requirements but what is truly critical is how much and how quickly they need pilots. Right now the answers are... A lot and Yesterday.
But if they are going through a rapid expansion then they will favour guys with 3000 hours or so with some time on heavier equipment than a Seneca simply because the possibility and feasability to recruit Direct Entry Captains are the limit to their expansion/strategy. What I mean is that they want guys who can upgrade really quickly which translates into guys who meet nearly all the mini requirements to get through an upgrade course.
But having jet time on pretty much whatever is a big, big advantage. Nevermind the weight, specially if you are in your 20s.
Hardly no company expects a 25 years old to have 3000 on Jets over 20 Tonnes. Not that they don't exist but they are no necessarily the norm so airlines take a more practical approach towards they recruitment requirements.
In short and to answer your question, the 25 Tonnes thing you have in mind might be a requirements for one or more companies but no more than that. Requirements change and many have different ones.
I flew my first 115 Tonnes jet right after flying a chieftain... Until then I had never flown anything bigger than a 1900.
It wasn't that long ago and it was in the UK so here is hope for some...
As for now, well, I have left the airlines and enjoy flying Bizjets. Not for everybody but my kind of work. Like you though, assuming the job market remains good and talking about people getting on this scheme in their 20s, 30s, I too wonder what proportion will stick around for more than a couple of years.
Not necessarily because they don't like the job or the company but mostly because they will probably want to try their hands on the big stuffs.

Regards to all

Now open to the EEA
 

Today the scheme was extended to the EEA which means that Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway are now included and eligible.

hi all

how long did it take before OAT got back to you with regards to you being successful at the application stage??
i applied on the 28th November and haven't heard anything yet.

cheers

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Considering that was right before a weekend and it is only the 4th today, learn to be a little bit more patient :rolleyes:

It took around 1 1/2 months for them to reply to me.

Thats ok then. It was just a general question!
Just that other schemes I've applied to have been alot quicker in replying. guess this one is pretty popular.

Schemes replied in less then 3 working days? Give me the schemes you have applied for please :p

OAT/NetJets
 

Hi to you all,

Got an invitation for stage 2 :ok:
I have to be there on the 13th & 14th of December. Anyone else travelling to Oxford on the 12th?

I was also wondering if some one could give me an idea what to expect at stage 2? :sad:

Thanks & cheers

Hi all,
was just wondering what the average age of previously seleceted cadets might be? Read a post on a different website that said they dont really take early-twentyish guys and girls, any truth in this?? I'll only be 21 when the courses start and i'm feeling a little perturbed!
Cheers T1