Loganair
 

Hello all

One day I would love to fly for Loganair!

I was wondering if any current or past Loganair pilots would care to share their experiences about the company and what the selection process is like ? ?

Do they like to give you a standard interview or do they go down the Technical Papers, Maths Tests and a damn good grilling route? :confused:

Thanks and hope to hear from some of you soon!

ABO:ok:

What the?
 

Am I completely missing something here, the last thing I was told by the CP himself, was that there is no recruiting until October 2006. Am I missing something here?

T:suspect:

I like to prepare myself for "one day" !!

Nothing like preparation, and yes I believe they will think about recruiting again later in the year!

:ok:

Toastal, you are definately missing something. The guy asked what i reckon to be a fairly straightforward question, looking for advice on the interview process from current or past loganair pilots.

Wishing you all the best ABO944.

Tut, Tut
 

Alby my friend, don't be so quick to judge on this forum! I have been there and bought the t-shirt with Logan, and have PM'd ABO944 in advance to answer his "straight forward questions"

T:suspect:

hi toastal, i'm newish to pprune and don't know how it works.

i'm confused.

why didn't you post your answer to the straight forward question on the public forum?

i feel that i'm missing something.

thanks,

straightlevel.

Toastal
 

No Private message received here !

Would appreciate it if you could try again please !?

Cheers:ok:

Loganair
 

ABO944,

To answer your question -

LOG is probably the best place to kick start your career, especially if you are a minimum hours type. A couple of winters in the Western and Northern Isles and you'll be ready for anything...

The Saab is a good first type - loads of procedural approaches - loads of cross-winds - loads of hands on flying and take-offs and landings - Islay and Sumburgh and just amazing fun...

Nightstops in Shetlands/Orkneys/Knock/Inverness/Londonderry. 500 hours a year of amazing fun and when the weather is stunning it doesn't get any better...

I hear they are losing loads of pilots to the larger operators so I would say recruitment is positive...

Best Of Luck
Sean

I have just joined them

My interview was of a personal nature, they wanted to see if you fit them and that's about it.
Things in this industry change by the day so you should always keep in touch with the airlines, especially with a small airline like Loganair -
If they loose a pilot they need a new one as soon as possible, as simple as that.

How many hours required for Logan??

there is something I don' t really understand about them.
Aren't pilots going onto their saabs from the twotter fleet?
I mean, they ask on what fleet do you wnt to fly on the application form. But even though the twotter is probably a lot of fun, i am sure people are generally more interested in flying JAR25. So is everyone just applying for their saabs?

Winch

Having over 3500hrs on Logans Twotters I can assure you that not only is it probably the most fun you'll have with your clothes on but it is also the most demanding!!!!!:ok:

You can fly Saab's etc whenever but the twotter is unfortunately a dying breed up north, so go on give it a go......

Hi Toastal,

there is no judging going on from my side. Glad to hear you have sent a PM to ABO944 regarding your experience with Loganair.

Good luck Toastal with the job hunting, it will happen eventually but just remember if you get an interview with CTC to read the questions carefully.

Rgds.

For those who got in!!
did u just apply online or did you call them. Says to not call them on their page..

Really what to fly that twotter before its away for ever.. :ok:

It's the best flying you'll ever do (unless you take a 'later life' pay cut) so get in and love it.

As for the interview, mine was too far in the past to help I'm afraid. Be honest is my opinoion. I was. Good luck.

rumour has it that interviews are being held next week,good luck to all the guys that manage to get a job..great company to work and the flyings just fantastic...be prepaired to invest in a some quality sets of pants ,as the winters coming..its a shame they still operate the face fits policy for promotions though.interview,expect a tech paper then chat with management pilots followed by a sim ride.i was there a number of years ago now flying for middle eastern legacy carrier 777 and yes im bored ****less and wish was back doing some real flying......but never mind least i can pay the bills :(

I have a 'friend' who has an interview next week, though sadly I do not :{

I'm not sure what there looking for, but I aint it. Keeping positive an all that, but for how long?!

Buster

Like most turboprop operators at the moment, Loganair recruitment is continuous and what is the case one week (nothing until Oct) may not be the next when somebody with a job offer gets a call from their preferred airline nearer their home down South or whatever (see the 'What on earth is going on in Scotland' thread). Process used to be as bantermanter described but not now - much more informal as GRANTS describes.
Flying is good fun and can be very busy with a very high workload - remember NDB procedures and DME arcs? - and the scenery etc the best you can get. Bases are Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Glasgow with Glasgow the main one with the best flying. Progress can be rapid and command relatively quick with the current turnover but who knows what the future will bring.
Oh yes and all the training captains are heroes with nerves of steel, dashing good looks and glinting eyes har har har :}.

Db6

Its nice to know the training captains describe themselves as gods,but getting back to the point in hand,Grants was 1 of those who was interviewed in Jerez so the process for the said individual was probally lets just say over a cup of earl grey and a game of golf.( i know this because i've followed his posts)

for those of you lucky enough to get an interview,for gods sake go prepared,don't just go in expecting a nice chat over a cup of coffee.Oh and if you are lucky enough to be offered the job you'll have the pleasure of flying with god like training captains ,most of them are in a pretty poor state of personal hygeine and could do with some time of work.( ive heard this through the rumour network about you guys working your socks of) :)

Db6 talks about early command opportunities but it all relative,if you join with load of hours then yes you MAY get your command after around 2 years depending on the market.If you join straight after flight school you'l have to wait around 3 to 4 years for your command do alot of brown nosing and generally keep smiling.However like I said in my previous post it is a great company to work for, simply because the flying itself is so much fun so get in there and enjoy the experience most people just don't know what there missing.

Thanks for all the replies !
:ok:

A couple of questions ...

How many hours do First Officers work on average each year ?

When do you qualify for ID tickets ??

Cheers:)

FO flying hours about 4-500 per year so not the place to go for your 900 hour bonanza. ID90 after 6 months, Loganair travel after 3 months.
bantermanter, heroes not gods and don't forget the glint ;). Anyone straight from flight school will have to wait for 1500 hrs/ATPL anyway so 3-4 years at 4-500 hours per year is about right for command, however no brown nosing required as long as you're not an utter fuqwit. In short a good company to fly for but look elsewhere if you want 1500 quick hours and offski.

Loganair must be recruiting at the moment, I know someone that had an interview in Glasgow less than a month ago, is now in the holding pool. Aparently very relaxed interview with Director of Flight Ops and Flight Crew Manager. No Sim Check or Tech Questions. Don't know how big the holding pool is at the moment??

What experience did this person have ??

If they aren't recruiting, they soon will be - spoken to a friend still employed, rumours of up to 12 pilots were at Globespan last week!!!!!

Good time to be getting in touch.....

spoken to a mate who also works there.dnt believe all you hear,most rumours are spread by people who have problems with or in the company,the grass isnt greener on the other side folks and globespan is'nt as rosy as every 1 makes out to be.

loganair guys where did you get your loan?
 

hi all finally, finally just secured first job but must lend the company £12000 on commencement of employment ( which they will pay back over 3 yrs) however despite going to the banks with letters from the company saying that I have secured employment and that they will repay the loan - I have been uable to secure a loan.

I have no bad debts, CCJs etc.. and only a small bit left to pay on a career development loan. The banks seem unable to consider the above letters and are only interested in what I have earned in the last 12 mths - unfortunatley though having been working as an instructor this is not a whole lot.

Have any of you who are happily now employed with Loganair encountered some of the problems and if so how did you overcome this?

Any advice or help would be gratefully accepted as this opportunity has been to hard to come by to lose now.

Not at Logan but HSBC used to do a great 'Professional studies loan'? Maybe they'd accept a legal contract with your folks as guarantors??

I'm sorry, I must have mis-read, you want to work for an airline that wants you to lend them money? What the hell has gone wrong with our industry? Next you'll be telling me there are airlines with people willing to pay for their own type ratings!!!!!:ugh: :ugh: :ugh: Tell them to stick the job! Keep instructing until a decent airline makes you an offer, the idea is you get paid by them and not the other way round!

MVE most airlines seem to be doing this now including Jet2 and sleazy jet i believe. Just the same thing as bonding really.

FFF Congratulations on your first job first of all !!!
I got a pro studies loan from HSBC and it was secured on my parents house. But from what i remember you can get a unsecured load upto 25k. I suggest you take the letter and your parents down to a MAIN HSBC branch. Lots of these local branches haven't got a clue what a pro studies loan is?

Do a search for study loans this has been bashed around a few times.

Good luck

HFS:ok:

Many thanks for the well meant lesson but I've been around the block a few times and know very well how the industry works!
I can't believe someone would go in to a bank and ask for 12k to start a job and not expect to be laughed out the bank? Think about it for a second. If the airline can't afford the type rating why would you want to risk it......oh and Jet2 arrange the loan for you and that is slightly different, no different from making you pay for the tpe rating but there we go! :yuk:

MVE :yuk: True, most of these outfits have an agreement with a bank but the onus is still on you to sort the loan out with them so whats the difference? The 12k is not for the rating but probably for a bonding arrangement.

At the end of the day this is not constuctive for FFF. He/She asked for advice. Advice has been given.

FFF i'm sure your not the first person at loagie bear that this has happened to. Why not ask someone who works for them? Even speak to HR and explain your predicament, they are usually more than helpful.

It has happened to me. I couldn't get my bonding loan with my companies bank so spoke to HR and i now have a written agreement as a bond. Same difference if i leave early i still have to pay my bond off.

FFF good luck i'm sure you'll find a bank more than willing.

HFS:ok:

What about re-mortgaging your house? Don't know your situation but if I was in your position right now thats all I could imagine doing>

12000 poon
 

I had the same problems what with moving about alot and applying for credit, both of which will adversely affect your credit rating. My solution was to go cap (literally) in hand to my own bank branch (RBS) and speak very nicely to them, with all documentation at the ready. They were very good and gave me a reasonably competitive rate over three years - which is also the length of time that the company repays you for the 12 grand (+ interest). I set up a separate account for the payment from LC and the loan, which means I can just ignore it and after 3 years I'll be all square. What do you think MVE? It sounds pretty fair to me - I'm not out of pocket and if I leave the company the payments stop and I have to pay the rest of the loan.

mmmm thats slightly different to what I thought was the plot....I have no problems with bonding, after all a company has to protect it's assets but my previous company had a legal agreement with me to repay my bond if I left within 3 years. I didn't have to go and get a loan to get the job! Just a financial penalty if I left early. The problem comes if you leave and then they have to chase you through the courts if you're dis honest.
It still sounds like a micky mouse outfit if they leave you to LEND them the money for your type rating....my advice give them a wide berth...but I quite understand the pressure to get that first job BUT and it's a BIG but....unless people start giving these schemes a wide berth the companies will never change their terms and conditions.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but as of yesterday, Loganair now require you to make a prepayment of £13500 for the type rating on the Saab, which is in no way refunded, followed by a further £6000 for the OPC, Circuits and line training, which they loan to you and you repay (+interest) over 3 years, therefore costing you a total of about £20,000. They will not offer you employment until you have completed the type rating. This also applies to all those already in the holding pool.

Rediculous I know........

If that is confirmed then that has got to hurt. Also The supply of experienced
candidates may dry up as people with any experience will have other options, especially in the current climate, which don't involve paying that much for an obsolete TP type rating. I would be interested how that figure can be justified. I refuse to beieve the TR on it's own costs that much.
If this is true Logan will be left with nothing but a supply of 200 hr (or dare I say 150 hr integrated) FO's. None of whom really want to be there and all of whom are just treading water till the phone call from a jet. What incentive is there for anyone who actually loves flying and the area to join.
Incidentally do these arrangements apply to D/E skippers?

SK

silverknapper,

Don't tar everyone with the same brush! I will probably go for integrated training, but I would love to fly for Loganair. I'm not from Scotland, but I have family and friends there. And I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a TP.

wlch001, where did you get that from? I very much doubt it as it is taking the rank piss.

DB6, Your right, it is taking the piss, it is unbelievable! But unfortuanataly I have read the email form the flight crew manager that confirms it. Dated yesterday. I dont think they can get away with that sum of money for a type rating on their sallary. Im still shocked. Someone needs to stand up to them.

wich001

Its not a good idea to give too much away about yourself in your post,Im sure the FCM hasnt sent that many emails out so there might be a slight chance he's reading this aswell,wouldn't be to difficult to suss out who you are.

I'm afraid that this is just the way our industry is going,blame the many who have come before you and forked out for type ratings.I think that this particular company always bonded people but times have changed and with so many desperate wanabees out there it was only a matter of time before they jumped on the bandwagon.If your unhappy about the terms and conditions email the person concerned and tell him so,after all you still have freedom of choice,you dont have to work for them.