hi guys

got an email from jetsim regarding the preparation to the sim assessment with ryanair 595 pounds for 737NG full motion/hour
370 pounds for 737ng fixed /hour
is this a normal price i was thinking to do 5 hours but god with these prices are just insane!!! :ugh:

any advises please:ok:
thanks

5 hours! you must be insane!

They don't look for Jet handling skills, you have none! (i guess)

you need to brush up on some general handling if you have not been flying much, steep turns, intercepting a radial, holding a heading and altitude with adjusting speed and thats about it, if they can do the PFD in the 6 pack layout then you want that as thats how it is done in the assessment as you are not used to PFD ND display, treat is as a seneca with a bit more speed.

Give solid support to your sim partner as CRM is a massive thing in Jets, don't try to make him look not as good as you by pointing out mistakes in a "I know all" way, just give positive support when needed.

A couple of hours is all I would recommend to do, and keep it quite, or they will be expecting a lot more of you.

p.s. make sure you can do a QDM.

to zerotohero
:O hhhhh
i know my friend i just don't wanna miss the assessment i have done my mcc in oxford on th 734 just a month ago and i just had a chat with a friend who said i should cover EFATO and emergencies he said as well a couple of hours should be enough but while doing the mcc in oaa sometimes i felt i was strugling in takeoff profiles for example and other things

didn't got these

"if they can do the PFD in the 6 pack layout then you want that as thats how it is done in the assessment as you are not used to PFD ND display"

and

"keep it quite, or they will be expecting a lot more of you."

thanks mate

"make sure do a QDM"

i guess i shoud say what is my magnetic heading to the station

is it?

QDM yes :ok:

Don't give away that you have done sim time on the 737 if you can help it as you will be expected to be a higher standard and if you have a bad day it could go against you, if you have a good day then you just look good

the sim will be set up with separate heading bug and horizon etc,, not the PFD set up in the real 738, so any training should be done with the old steam gauges too.

to zerotohero

i should find a place where they have an efis setup with a 738 performance
i don't think there is much out there the only place i know is oxford 734 wich is efis and but is also 734 perfomance

there is some difference in the engine thrust setting and i heared the 738 is also quicker in handling .

How can he keep quite about the 737 sim hrs, when he has done his MCC in Oxford?
I guess everybody knows that they are using the 734. By the way It seems to be true that they expect more of you if you have done your MCC on a 737...

I guess if they look at the MCC then yes they will know about the 734 time, but just don't add by saying something like I have been in the sim all last week preparing

not sure on the speed difference between the 734 and 738 as I have only flown the 738 but it is a quick ship, the assessment wont be done to throw you at it full speed though, they know your not used to operating it so things are spaced out a bit to give you a chance to configure.

Good luck.

I would not waste my money on such an expensive prep. unless you feel REALLY rusty.
Good luck anyway!

Hi everyone!

I've done my Multi/Instrument/Commercial in the US in October. Now I'm struggling with ATPL Frozen and should be all set with JAR CPL/IR/ME in June. I'm seriously considering a Ryanair Cadet Programme and therefore I have some questions for you guys:

- First of all, is Ryanair still hiring cadets? On their website I saw the announcement, but on pilotjobsnetwork.com they report "neutral" hiring situation.

- What is the chance to be hired after completing a Cadet Programme? I know it can be hard for you to answer but maybe som of you have any idea....

- Where to make a MCC? CAE, OAA or maybe somewhere else? CAE and OAA are costly but they claim to conduct a "Ryanair certified MCC" though.

- How long does it approximetely take from the moment you send an application till the end of the programme? I heard that some people wait months for an interview...


Will be grateful for any information

ps. forgive me my English. It's not my first language ;)

@boleslav They are still hiring cadets at the moment. Only a small number of applicants gets invited for an interview, some wait weeks or months, some never get called. You need first time passes to be considered for an interview. If you get called, you will have to pass a technical and personal interview and a b737 simulator assessmet. About 1 out of 10 are successful on the assessment.
Hope that gives you an idea...

BOLESLAV

I think you are missing half the story here, its not a cadet school to train you and maybe get a job, been a cadet is already having the job so to speak, your a cadet until you have finished your line training then you continue on as a line pilot at what ever base you are required, obviously you can be dropped at pretty much anytime if your not making the grade, but after a successful assessment and offer of type rating your in (after paying €33k+)

as for the MCC, what the hell is a Ryanair approved MCC?:D lol that really did make me laugh, the MCC is to be approved my the authority, be it the CAA or IAA or what ever state is issuing your license, an airline or school approved one is basically someone slapping there name on it and taking a fee for it, its a money making scam! it may or may not help you get in an airline, if I was interviewing someone and they turned up with all these approved cetlificerts and a ryanair bag and tie pin and basically looked like Joey in the friends episode with the Porsche I would dump them on pure principal of been an idiot.

anyway enough of the rant, good luck with the training.

to ronand

1 of 10 this not what i want to hear since i'm doing an assessment on the 23/3

Alright guys, thank you for information. 1 out of 10 - that sounds like is gonna be hard!

@zerotohero. "Approved MCC" - that's what I've seen on CAE and OAA websites. I'm not 19 and have some professional experience, so I know how corporations act. That's why I've asked.

Good luck everyone

These Ryanair MCC's are basically only there to prepare you for the interview i. e using similar SOPS... I also heard that if you preform well you will get recommended for an interview. It's not a requirement though nor guarantee for an interview..

Regarding the pass rate, I would say it is rather 6-7/10, so dont worry too much :)

Hi guys...

I friend of mine told me that FR only call pilots who have just finished their training, I know a few people who finished 2-3 years ago and can not get even an interview. Really I totally fail to comprehend why people with 500 hours in GA can not get an interview (me for example)...and fresh people who just came out from school are being called, there is something that I can not understand...

Is there any other way to apply at FR apart to the well known CAE and Oxford??

Thanks

I know lots of guys that applied directly after finishing training.
No one got called, applied 5-6 months ago.

hi guys

any one knows where to go to do some sim assessment preparation

thanks

p.s. to sellect

thanks mate for saying that makes me feel better
:ok:

Your CPL/IR and MCC coures were your sim assessment preparation. :E

Sorry if this seems a tad negative, however I'm fairly convinced they almost know who they are going to take on before you even pay your £250. At the end of the day, 9/10 candidates for assessment have exactly the same number of hours, same licence etc, the interview is merely to confirm you are up to the job and probably to make up numbers. I'd barely been in my interview two minutes and I already knew they wouldn't pick me, just by the style of questioning which I've never experienced in an interview before. And my fears were confirmed when me and my partner were given around 10 minutes each in the sim because a first officer had to do his yearly check and they had run late. I wasn't that set on going the ryanair route to start with, I just thought perhaps the interview and sim check would be a good experience and I would see what happened. The only experience I got was realising that their aim is to make money out of you and no I am not actually bitter I didn't get accepted, I am just bitter that I got no feedback and the whole experience cost me near £500.

Having been through the system and been successful, I'd say it's more like 25% are successful, if that. And that was nearly 2 years ago when they were desperate for cadets! :p

I had never flown a 738 before the assessment day and paid for some time in a full motion 738 sim, not so much to get a head start, but to make sure I felt comfortable with the layout and feel of the sim. I am convinced that this was worthwhile and the proof is in the pudding: I had a good assessment day and passed. My sim buddy had a mare and got a rejection email within days.

I also had a good-humoured and friendly interview. Remember, whatever you may have heard about FR, they're not just looking for people who can be trained, they want people who are socially adept. Be friendly, cheerful, smile, but know your technical stuff.



PS: 10 minutes in the sim is normal, but yes, the TRE will know within seconds whether you have the aptitude to fly a jet. He doesn't need 30 minutes of hold entries or raw data ILS approaches to form a view!!


PPS: I gave the assessment day a substantial investment of time. money and effort. 2 or 3 years ago there were few other options, if any, and my gamble paid off. These days there are other airlines recruiting...

"I wasn't that set on going the ryanair route to start with"

Flyinguy - looks like the interviewers are good at their job.

lol maybe you're right! however I didn't make that obvious on the day - I did give it everything. Also all the guys got 45 minutes each in the sim that day, and we were told we were being cut short because they sim was booked. They apologised but like I said, if I'd got my 45 minutes at least the £250 went to something enjoyable :)

I have also passed, but getting only 10 minutes in the sim seems to me unfair, as you are paying for it. On my assessment day each applicant got a minimum of 45 min some even more....
@liveview your friend definitely doesn't know what he is talking about, I personally got in a few months ago with more than 500hrs in GA and having finished my training years ago. I know many guys who got in years after they finished their training.

In addition to the above where %'s are being thrown around, they are all guessing.

3 years ago, there were 4 applicants on my day, all 4 got selected. I'm sure there were days where 12 showed up and none got through. Basically, you either meet their standard or you don't - for whatever reason.

My sim was a good 45 mins with my partner then doing the same after.

Waiting and Waiting
 

Hi Guys I sent my application in december but no answer. How long you must wait ??

Hello.

I read in the thread earlier Ryanair won't even consider you if you failed anything before. Is that really true? I failed one ATPL exam and passed it in the second attempt. Am i out of chance already? All other checkrides passed in first..

to WeMadeYou

i don't think it should be a problem mate i failed may cpl and partialed it seceond time and still got the interview just make sure when you apply to them throw OAA where you have the space to fill under "Additional Info"you write some words to let them know how much you are interested
this is what i have done and it did took me to the interview in a couple of weeks know the hard bit is to pass it

don't worry be positive keep sending

bye

Avio77,

It varies on how long it takes them to get in touch with you after sending the initial application. It only took a matter of days for one friend of mine, crazy! Then at the other end of the scale I know someone who waited around 4 months.

I was one of the fortunate ones and got contacted within 2 weeks. I can't figure out a logic behind their selection, maybe top of the pile etc like I've seen before in this discussion.

All the best anyway,

Gyro
 

Many Thanks Gyro, all the best to you !

Maybe somebody can answer this,

I applied through CAE about a year ago and and heard nothing so i called to see if my application was uploaded ok and they said yes and that i should hear something within a week or so which i did and the email was that my application was not going through to the next stage and that they could not give me a reason because of the overwelming amount of CVs they recieve on a daily basis,so then i applied through OAA and after a two month wait i emailed them to see if everything was ok and the reply was the same as the one i got back from CAE ,i passed all my atpls first time 90% avg and all my skills tests first time also so i really dont know what the problem could maybe my age 33? is there anybody else with the same problem?

I'm afraid you are right...

I was 32 when I applied. 4 guys on my TR were 30+.

Mikehotel152, when did you apply?

Has anyone on here, over 30, got an interview recently?

hi there!
I read that every assessment is attended by 7 or 8 persons, does anybody know how many, average, pass it?
if they make pairs for the sim, why do they call odd number of people to the assessment day?

cheers guys!!

Hey when I went there was 9 of us. All paired up with people we didn't know for the sim check. Not too sure how they delt with the odd guy out!

Got the call last week from them, going for induction on 23rd May and TR on 6th June...Anyone else here on that course?

Difficult one though, either twice as much chance of impressing them or twice as much chance of making a mistake. I wouldn't want to push my luck with a second round in the sim!

thanks guys!
congrats irish_flyer and good luck for everyone else going following days!!

any one guys going on the 23/3 to the assessment in stansted?
any updates thx