Might be wise not to read too much into a username as well? Particularly when it is a bit too obvious.

Completely agree. The one that is apparently stating the facts and trying to give sound advice, is clearly doing anything but. I’ve also noticed contact approaches false T&Cs being shared on LinkedIn and doing the rounds. The one that is also telling people that they won’t make it in the industry with the way they come across on here. Well, getting information completely wrong also doesn’t work well in the industry. hmm I wonder what he’s like with following SOP’s?

Prove me wrong then.

I thought so.....

my false T&C’s actually turn out to be real T&C’s and they make some here look really stupid.

Like I say, just bloody wait!

They’re not though are they pal.

‘Training contract with Blue Sky Aviation’ - Incorrect

‘Cadets are paid 16K’ (later changed your mind to 15k) - Incorrect

‘Total earnings at best 6k’ - Incorrect

‘Employment contract once received will be a zero hour contract’ - Incorrect

‘Training contract not issued until day 1’ -Incorrect (it’s issued weeks before commencement date)

and the best one yet: ‘Further employment subject to performance (NO SICK DAYS)’ - Incorrect

I mean that last one is laughable, as if they would penalise you for having to take sick days, especially during a pandemic.

I’d suggest checking your sources again.

You are entirely incorrect. The line training contract is with blue sky aviation and the list continues, I know because one of my mates is doing it right now!

This gen is direct from the horses mouth.

The resistance I’ve had on this thread is alarming considering I present factual Gen and at no cost to myself. The mind boggles.

Nope, you’re still wrong.

Id maybe double check those facts with your ‘mate’ before you spout a load of nonsense on here next time.

So if all of that is incorrect...I presume that you would have the correct information to share?

Dashcam

C’mon then bigboy, prove me wrong.

Its funny how all these clowns say I’m wrong without backing it up with anything but :mad:.

Ive got the contract, I can read what it says.

Be my guest buddy.

Copy some word for word statements from the contract to back up your facts, and I’ll see if it agrees with what I actually have here (Not with something I’ve heard off a mate).

Take some time off Pprune perhaps, it will do you some good.

I’ve got better things to do with my time (like talking to a brick wall), than coming on here just to be called a clown.

I once visited a brothel and asked the prostitute if she would be happy to pay me so that I can train her up. She can then move on to bigger and better wonderful things. She declined and said "I'm a prostitute, not a Ryanair cadet"

Dashcam

So to be clear, you have time to say someone else’s claims are all wrong without providing any of the ‘factual’ information to prove it so?

You can just publish what’s written in the contract if ‘you have it there’ as you say then let people make their own mind up as to what’s true and what isn’t.

I cannot publish something that doesn’t exist in the contract. For example, no where does it suggest that taking sick days during training would have a negative impact on the likelihood of being offered an employment contract.

If you go back to my previous posts I have corrected him on things like exact pay already.

Im just trying to set the record straight with a few things. Fair enough if you don’t agree with the cadet scheme etc, but please don’t just make stuff up.

I would imagine that when the major airlines start recruitment, they'll be looking for young pilots who are current and motivated rather than wise old sages who have been sitting it out waiting for the airlines to come begging.

Dashcam


Contract Details

• 6 month fixed term contract with 3rd party - not Ryanair.
• Cost: 30,000 Euros plus assessment fees, security pass, uniform, accom, food etc.
• Salary reduced 20% to £16,800 for UK guys. 16,800 Euros for EU guys. Plus £12.83/SBH. Paid onwards from Base Training.
• UK guys get UK contracts, EU get EU contracts.
• No salary during TR so will have to relocate at their own expense for LT at short notice.
• Base allocation likely UK guys UK and EU guys EU. Cadets don’t know their actual allocation until after BT.
• After the 6 month contract employment is subject to performance and business demands. Leave expected.
• This is a fixed term 6 month training contract only with a 3rd party provider. Not an offer of employment with Ryanair.

Am I wrong Dash? Now if you’d like to add anything useful to this thread then by all means do.

Like i said. Just wait until there is suitable business demand and you should be ok .

Yes these are correct, although adding things like ‘leave expected’ is just a matter of opinion, it does not say this. You just can’t help yourself. I admire it in a way.

Let’s just hope things pick up sooner rather than later hey, all the best.

They have been told to expect leave... potentially starting summer 2022. But who actually knows what is going to happen? There are many grey areas which favour the company and not the cadet.

Contrary to popular belief I don't hate Ryanair. I just want people to be aware of all the facts. There has been a race to the bottom for many years and not one of us prosper from it. This scheme merely adds flames to the fire.

I’d prefer to fly with FO’s who can afford to eat and don’t feel under pressure to work when they’re sick. I also prefer to place confidence in a recruitment policy which rewards competency and motivation over those who can afford to pay/gamble and with great risk. It’s pretty simple stuff really.

Dashcam

Do I get payed during type rating? No
Do I CERTAINLY get a contract with Ryanair after successful completion of line training? No
A friend of mine got hired in Ryanair just a couple of months before covid outbreak. He had already 1500+ hours in jet. He didn't pay a single penny for the type rating. On the contrary, he was paid from the very first moment he started the type rating. Do you see any similarity to the 30 k - no job guarantee - no Ryanair contract - no salary during type rating thing?
And guess what? Ryanair dismissed him during covid outbreak just like many other pilots. Why exactly does Ryanair need cadets now when they have already dismissed experienced pilots?
​​​​​​What are you trying to sell? Stop playing with young pilots hopes and dreams to raise money. We are noone's puppets.

What every sensible person is saying is that we should wait and see when aviation will recover and not rush things. There is no job demand for low hour pilots now. None whatsoever. And no-one knows when that will change.

Just a little aside, Braathens in Sweden have just started recruiting and seemingly no requirement on minimum hours on their ATR fleet (no cost for TR either I believe)

EASA licence + EU passport and ability to speak a Scandinavian language are required. Signs of recovery are appearing in the industry and Ryanair’s claim of ‘they’re the only ones that will hire low hours in the next 5-7 years’ is already proven to be rubbish.

Another great sign is that I hear the Jet2 apprentices that were all recruited at the back end of 2019/early 2020 have been told that they’re potentially coming back around June/July, this isn’t concrete but good to hear nonetheless.

Dashcam

Out of curiosity Dashcam, have you signed up for this training programme yourself?

Could it be that some airlines are looking at taking on young recruits in order to keep their costs down in order to try and stay in business.

I am not at all convinced that particularly Jet2 retaking on apprentices, as alleged, in fact a couple of Jet2 colleagues are saying they have had little to no communication from the company. They say they are all in the dark.

Given that RyanAir are providing TR for cadets then entrance to 1500 hour jet blokes may be more difficult due to expected influx of raw aircrew. My RyanAir contacts claim that they are to reintroduce command upgrades shortly. There has been a loss of captains in the last 18 months and now that they anticipate flying the Max look to expand their business at the expense of their competitors who are more hamstrung somewhat.

I will be certainly interested in watching the outcomes in the next 12 months or so. Of course this does not help anyone looking for comfort in desire to become an airline pilot.