does mcc ats worth it?
 

Hi all,

I am finishing ATPL in a month and I am looking into MCC\MCC ATS corses.
Im 28 years old and I have 450TT and a season as a tug pilot in UK thats worth mentioning as an experience on my CV.
My primary target is Ryanair for number of reasons.
For MCC ATS thats what they say as we see

• Will be given preference during selection
• Will be at a distinct advantage in the interview and assessment process

But I find it a bit pricy compare to a "regular" MCC.
How much do you guys know about this distinct advantage as they say?
Can I still get a call from them if i do only MCC?

Thanks

Yes, I had few opportunities as well, the big mistake for fresh pilots, including me, is to focus only on Ryanair, as it was the sole opportunity.

Ok, with a TR and 500h on type, finding a job could be easier, but I cannot complain at present.

The APS course is more complete, because there is a little test at the end, and you will do 40h instead of 28.
So, the course itself is better in terms of preparation, but I'm my opinion there's no difference for Ryr.
If they want to take you, they will, otherwise they won't.

If you have any doubts for the APS, the traditional MCC/JOC is absolutely still good for everyone.

You have suddenly become an expert on RYR's assessment requirements and what they are looking for,

Ryanair does prefer APS MCC candidates and it is clearly stated on their minimum requirements

Dude, I know the difference between APS and MCC/JOC, and I even know that it's not a requirment at present for getting a job.
I said in my opinion, again, "in my opinion", that it's not the reason why Ryr is taking a candidate or not.

Is it my right to express what I think, or should I ask your permission ?

We are sharing our experience and infos in order to help each other, that's the task of this forum, not insulting people.

Please be polite !

Does someone know what the application form is that they are looking for when attending the assessment? Is it something from the CAE website where we uploaded our documents?

Haha sorry, how did your online assessment went, Specially atpl qustions (did you find them easy)? And other exercises?.
(reply when you get the time since you ate preparing for an assessment). Thank you.

Good luck a320! No info about application form

As for the aps I think the great advantage at sky4u for example (Where I did my basic mcc) is that you already train on ryanair procedures and standards, even if during an assesment I guess you're not supposed to know them.
Had a friend who just got in after aps mcc at virtual aviation

Hi, I will be on assessment the 24th.

Got it, thanks!

assessment
 

Anyone going to start Type on 1st july and do simulator in Amsterdam? CAE1907 :)

DODARRR
 

A little old, but I though your reply was funny, so I have to comment :D

You say this situation doesn't need DODAR, but than you immediately contradict yourself by actually doing a DODAR!

D = DIAGNOSE = "We have a passenger with a suspected heart attack,..."
O = OPTIONS = "We have just left Liverpool, its close..." / "We are near our departure aerodrome,... so"
D = DECIDE = "I suggest we divert there, (taking into account the weather),..."
A = ASSIGN TASKS = "Tell ATC and Hold at present position, or a nearby fix,...; Set up FMC, Nav Aids etc for expected approach, get fresh weather...; Brief...; Inform the Cabin crew and passengers..."

Congratz, you just did a DODAR... :)

Well, that's the point of a NITS brief.. to inform the Senior..

So in reality you would do both DODAR & NITS.. which you should..

Voyotv, you have quoted me out of context, it seems you don't understand the point I was trying to get across.

DODAR is an aid to help with decision making during an abnormal situation or emergency.
Each of the acronym stands for something that allows Pilots to come back to a situation to re-analyse their course of actions and the next required tasks.
If you have time, you can do one as a team, it is not designed to be used in a throwaway way, just to impress the Sim instructor, something I see all too often by cadets .

A NITS brief is to inform the Cabin Crew, via the Senior, of a situation they may need to prepare the cabin and passengers for, if you are returning a perfectly serviceable aircraft due to a problem with a passenger, it does not need a NITS. Again something I find overused in the SIM, by inexperienced crews.

If you are going to do them, then do them properly, which means working as a team.

As I said Keep It Simple, it does work. I know from experience, more than once.

Voyotov, it has never been my intention to lead anyone in the wrong direction.

I cannot comment on Ryanair as I have not performed any sim assessments for them, you obviously have lots more experience than I do with Ryanair.
The companies I do assessments for with cadets, have a different criteria, this is not a comment against Ryanair, they have some of the best training in the business, its their toy set they make the rules.

If they want a DODAR and a NITS brief, then use a structured brief, the whole point is it will aid you.

I have written a very detailed synopsis of a DODAR and NITS, on page 441 post number 8806.

I suggest as someone who does this for a living, that you and others study the structure and learn from it.
You want to be a professional then be one, it is process driven, there is no need to rush it.
The Examiner is not there to catch you out, nor are they looking for perfection, be professional, clam and relaxed and you will be fine.
Good luck with your endeavours.

Don't mention your pprune login name. It wouldn't go down too well. ... or change it to B738GDN