Hi everybody, as many of you I am trying to prepare for the sim check. It seems that they often give you the toilet fire or passenger heart attack, what do they expect you to do? I mean just declare an emergency, come back to land, say what would you do in a real airplane...?
Thanks
good luck

ps. is it true that they're not doing interviews in Dublin anymore? (I did my mcc there so the sim check would be much easier!)

Michvan, all sim checks at EMA. On your other points - any fire in the cabin, get on the ground quick. Sick passenger (heart attack), land.

RyanAir of FIC?
 

Hi, I spent all last night reading through the post's on this thread, and was left a little disheartend and confused. After spending like alot of you £40,000 on the modular route coming out the end of it with 260TT and not a sniff off a job.

I have been debating the whole RyanAir situation with numerous negative post by camel and a few others, surley this isnt the view of all the longer serving staff, and can it really be that bad, ok you work hard, but you are aware of the pay structure before you start. So you may have to do some admin....... Whats the alternative to not applying? Working a dead end job constant worry of how your going to make the next loan installment, becoming uncurrent, so on, and so on.

You can always go down the flight instructor route and I know this make you a better pilot more employable and knowledgable, but maybe six, twelve months later (constantly stuggle for money, and your not getting any younger) you get that job offer, a low and behold you have to pay for the type rating anyway, so you have forked out 6/7000 for the rFIC, and now you have to pay the £20,000 anyway! Total forked out nearly £30,000 extra, and you no further forward than the next guy sat next to you in the interview room fresh from the OAT Intergrated course with 150hrs under his belt!:ugh:

So Whizzer and likes of the rest of you 'Here Here' in goes my application, with no high expectaions of the "Glamourus" job it used to be the market has changed, suck it up get your experince if you not happy, theres plenty more fish in the sea.:D

well done mate.:D
nevermind those EMPLOYED pilots trying to put us down for just following our dream.

Here Here Captin N:D

I did my mcc on the 200 series and was pretty easy, do you think that a couple of hours of practice in the 400 series sim would be enough for the sim check in the 800?
Any other place apart from OAT for the practice? (not very easy to get there from abroad!)

thanks

Spot on Pressman.

All sims at EMA now on an 800 sim slightly altered to better represent instruments a low houred pilot would recognise, the SIDS are already mentioned on here, there are several so you will not know till the day what it is, however, if you can understand a jeppy plate you will be fine.

Ryanair are now running cadet open days (yes there is a charge) which are worth going to for the insight you are all after.

And yes, if/once you are in, JOIN a union!!!

YYZ

Hah,

It really makes me laugh the way all these arrogant morons are so short sighted to believe that cadets are responsible for a decline in T & C's.

Cadets really have very little choice in the matter, as has been said before many times (though im sure those who want to ignore it will anyway), if you have the money to self fund a type rating after training, it is simply a better option for most people than becoming an instructor and having no guarantee of a funded type rating anyway.

Cadets are not the problem, the modern low cost aviation model IS the problem. The only people with any power to make a differance (though not much power at all really lets face it) are the existing experienced pilots. And where were these guys when self funded type ratings were introduced? Did you go on strike? didnt think it would affect you so no need to worry?

Hypocrites.

But surely pressman, as all new influxes are on the Brookfields contract that negates the possibility of doing anything about their lot? I thought that was the whole point for Ryanair bringing this contract in? Also, it gives them the opportunity to 'nullify' the contract at short notice if you start making waves?

Just wondering what you thought about that, as it doesn't seem quite so easy the way you put it either!

I am in the same position as Captain N and many others, and although I shiver at the thought of helping MOL get any richer it looks like it could be my only immediate 'in'. It's a consideration and I may give it the finger but for now, I am just considering it. :ok:

Just wondered what people got as a 'final report or reference from your Flight Training Organisation' to take with them to the Ryanair Sim/interview?

Any more tips about the interview or sim would be great? Thanks

Know your previous a/c type, stuff on 737, high speed flight/coffin corner/mach/winglets. Why you want to work for them (please don't go on about why we should refuse to pay for a TR. Maybe we should just start a thread entitled 'Ryanair-Gripes' :=)

Don't get me started on tech2 though!

After the simcheck, how long do you have to wait for an answer? Do they call you or do they send a e-mail?

thx

got a positive call 48hrs after sim check :ok:

ow ok, so if you don't hear after 48h it will be negative!

inner

That's not correct. I waited nearly a week for my call!

Horgy

Cae Application!
 

Hi guys/Girls I have just put my App into CAE for RYR I have just passed all my skills tests, MCC and still waiting for the issue of my licence i just put down all my past dates and ppl ref no. Has anyone else done the same or have I jumped the gun, and I am going to end up pissing them off?

Would really appreciate a sensible response. Thanks!

If you have succeeded the assesment, where do you have to do the typerating?

grtz

wheresryan2,

I submitted an application and had the interview pretty soon after my MCC and before licence issue. I mentioned that to them and they seemed ok with it. Best bet would be to get in touch with Ryanair or go to a Cadet day and ask yourself. For only a tenner i'd thoroughly recommend it!

Horgy

Anyone got an assessment on the 13th? If u fancy meeting up the night before pm me.

Guys there is lots of truth to the rumour that RYR are short of candidates. I know of a guy who applied 2.5 months ago. He starts Line Training next week - hows that for a turn around? I also know someone who applied 2 week ago, his interview is booked already! Have a think about this for a moment.

SuperpilotGuys there is lots of truth to the rumour that RYR are short of candidates. I know of a guy who applied 2.5 months ago. He starts Line Training next week - hows that for a turn around? I also know someone who applied 2 week ago, his interview is booked already! Have a think about this for a moment.


Good because I cant wait! lol

Finally getting short of mugs are they?

anyone got an assessment on the 11 dec 2007 at EMA? PM me

cae typerating questions
 

What's happens if you fail during the typerating? Some extra sessions? Money lost?

Is the base training included in the amount you have to pay to cae or do you have to sign a bond with ryanair for this? And if so, how much is this bond?

thx

No bond as such, its within your training contract that you complete the line training also, so you cannot just leave as there is then the three months notice requirement.

Also, if you start to perform badly on the TR YOU have to pay for extra sessions, if you do not improve you are gone, No TR and NO refund, if you fail the first base check, FR pays for some extra sim and covers another attempt in the aircraft, if you fail this you are gone, again, no refund and no TR.

Ive not known anyone fail the line training so I cannot comment, but im sure it happens, I found the line training the hardest!

YYZ

No bond as such, its within your training contract that you complete the line training also, so you cannot just leave as there is then the three months notice requirement.

Also, if you start to perform badly on the TR YOU have to pay for extra sessions, if you do not improve you are gone, No TR and NO refund, if you fail the first base check, FR pays for some extra sim and covers another attempt in the aircraft, if you fail this you are gone, again, no refund and no TR.

Ive not known anyone fail the line training so I cannot comment, but im sure it happens, I found the line training the hardest!

YYZ Today 08:38


Could you please tell me how much you can expect to be payed during line training as I am trying to figure out the paying back of more borrowing. And also was there any pshycosomatic test for the interview many thanks! wheresryan2

you'll get around 620pounds after tax during the line training contract.

So, you mean, if you fail during the base check you don't have to pay FR for the amount 'lost'??

I believe the current cadet salary is approximately £750 after tax. With reference to failing a base check, i think you have to pay a certain amount but am not sure how much this currently is?

Just on the subject of the assessment interview and simcheck, i notice a number of posts that seem to suggest Ryanair are short of candidates? Do a lot of guys/gals fail the interview sim assessment and fail to achieve the high standard required by Ryanair to gain employment with the company?

JJ:ok:

RyanAir CAE TR and Line Training
 

JetSetJ wooo! Just put an App into CAE it will be a struggle to pay back the TR and Training bills on that! Will have to borrow TR money plus 5000 to live!

Stall strip, welcome to pprune!!

Did you feel it necessary to waste your first post on such an unhelpful response!?!?!?!

JJ:ok:

JetSetJ,

Regarding Ryanair's need to applicants, I would suggest that they are doing ok - I can't comment on people getting rejected but i'd take with a pinch of salt anything you get on here regarding figures. With RYR your either a lover or a hater. There was a fair crop of people on the open day, and casual ear to the ground indicates to me that a fair few bods from OATS and Cabair are going there as well.

The current terms in the contract regarding base checks are thus:

Basically if you screw up they can cut you (which frankly, any airline would be able to do) - it doesn't mention any retraining costs. Again, ear to the ground tells me that RYR will stump up a bit for base check training but it's not a blank chequebook.

Horgy

Thanks for your post MrHorgy,

I am one of those people who is a RYR lover!! I really do wanna fly for them, the difficult task is getting through an interview/sim check.

You mention Cabair and OAT in your post, i presume RYR as do most airlines, prefer the OAT Integrated guys/gals?

JJ

The interview and sim check is not that hard.

Ryr doesn't care about integrated or modular. All they care about is if you have a licence.

good luck

inner is correct.

Ryanair (very sensibly in my opinion) are worried about if you have a licence or not, and not how far over the table you bent over to get it. The only reason I mentioned Cabair and OATS was because I was a little surprised they were taking positions at RYR, I thought they were all established on the BA/Flybe gravytrain.

Horgy

Amazing how talk to high ryr standards is confined to those who have yet to sit in the RHS, let alone the LHS. Those actually in the LHS, who may, believe it or not, be more qualified to comment, would agree that standards are falling. I am sure some of those in the RHS also say the same about some of our latest captains.

Despite all that is known about ryr, we still have muppets spouting such dross. Are you so naive or do you really want to be a €40k skipper? Forget about moving on too, the market is tightening and if you are coming here now, one has to wonder why you are here and not elsewhere.

First part correct, second is not. Ryr love people who have bent over , it demonstrates that you are that type and will probably do it again. This identifies you as unlikely to develop a spine, thus becoming the pliant sheep ryr want who will not complain as there pay drops by a large % every year.

YOU WILL NOT EARN THE MONEY RYR PROMISE, YOU WILL ALWAYS BE EARNING LESS AT EACH STAGE OF YOUR RYR CAREER THAN THE EQUIVALENT IS NOW.
Can't you get this into your thick skulls? If you start now, you will never reach the promised figures and you will be on max €40k as a skipper.
You will not be able to afford your loan repayments, a mortgage or have a life.
And if you do manage to leave you will find the other companies are not much better as they've been forced to dumb down to compete.
ARE YOU THAT STUPID????
This is a JOB, not a f**kin hobby.

Michvan,


Even if you don't have the reference with you, RYR doesn't care. I asked my fto for a reference and i did not get it on time.

What you can do is ask someone of your work to write something about yourself. (What person you are, how hard you like to work for ryanair etc).

Good luck for the interview and simcheck


inner

Before i forget to mention:

If you have a contract, read it very carefully!!!! (BRK contract but also CAE contract!!!). Once you've signed the contract there is no way back.

Although i suceeded the assessment i'm still in a deep doubt. I've heard as well that many BRK fielders have more and more standby's, which worries me a lot. I hope for these people it is just temporarily.

chrs

Camel,

If you hate RYR so much, why don't you just leave? Everywhere else would seem to be better than Mr O'Leary's empire, i'm sure someone will pay you to fly a seneca if you really want!

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and make their own judgements on whether RYR is for them or not. As i've said in another thread it's down to personal circumstance and preference. Resorting to calling people "dross spouting muppets" does not further your cause, and shows that you have a PERSONAL vendetta against RYR. What's wrong, were you passed over for promotion?

Horgy

Inner,

There is bound to be a very slight easing in hours over winter - it's the way the industry works. Assuming you recently passed you won't be on line until April so by that point hopefully it will have picked up.

Horgy