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jetstreamlover 19th Jul 2005 23:21

Flybe sponsorship
 
Anyone any idea when the Flybe sponsorship for 2006 opens?

EGAC_Ramper 20th Jul 2005 15:12

Probably most likely the interviews will be held in November like thay have been for last 2 years.Both occasions I've been away so missed out and well this I shall not be applying,already nearly finished groundschool.So keep looking out around October/November for the announcement.

Regards:ok:

sbanni 14th Sep 2005 15:24

CCAT/Flybe scheme
 
Hi all,

I have been looking out in the aviation mags for the flybe pilot training scheme that was due to be announced around this time, and as soon as I saw details of it in Flight Training News, I went on the website (www.ccat.org.uk) and it states the scheme has closed!!

However, it states that the details will be on the CCAT website "later this month", and i'm referring to the Sept 05 edition!

Please can someone either confirm that the course has closed or that maybe it hasn't even opened yet!?

Thanks
Scott

-Worried

Mattd 14th Sep 2005 16:40

Hi Scott,


If you're talking about this http://www.ccat.org.uk/sponsorship.htm

Don't worry, when it says 'for Sept 05' it meant from last year's applicants (they would have commenced training in 05, selected 04)

That page hasn't changed since last October 04!

HTH,

Matt

sbanni 17th Sep 2005 11:00

Thanks a lot Matt, I was worried for a bit there!!

Regards
Scott

hingey 17th Sep 2005 16:09

According to the CCAT website Flybe will advertise the part- sponsorship scheme again in Flight International on Sept. 27th

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birdofprey 26th Sep 2005 20:48

Flybe sponsorship
 
Surprised not to see anything posted yet, just read Flight International and see Flybe is offering part pilot sponsorship. I see it is for the 10th year running - anyone got any info or tips to anyone who would want to apply??:ok:

EGTC 26th Sep 2005 21:04

If this is the Cabair sponsorship, I've seen it on the website and it says applications will be accepted from tomorrow (27th), and it will also be advertised in tomorrows Flight International. There doesn't seem to be any information on the scheme other than there will be one, I'll see what information becomes available tomorrow.

pheeel 27th Sep 2005 10:22

Probably the same as this:

Flybe 2005 Pilot Sponsorship Scheme

and this:

FLYBE sponsorship (2003)

maybe worth a read for those interested :8

pheeel

EGTC 27th Sep 2005 10:24

I've just seen the ad in Flight International, and I'm too young to apply :{

conor_mc 27th Sep 2005 11:18

Age requirements for 2005 were 20-28.

Age requirements for 2006 are 20-33.

This is another positive indication that the job market is on the up, when airlines begin to broaden their pool of potential candidates. Relaxed age requirements now may lead towards relaxed hours requirements in another year or two, allowing low hours candidates to get their foot on the first rung of the ladder.

Hopefully, anyway!

martyfly 4th Oct 2005 16:48

Flybe sponsorship
 
Hi all,

Has anyone received the application pack yet? I sent off an e-mail on the 27/9/05 when the scheme first open and I am yet to get anything!

Plus does anyone know anything about the scheme? I can really find any info on the scheme, maybe Im just looking in the wrong place?:confused:

Mark 3:16 4th Oct 2005 17:51

Me too mate - emailed Tim somebody @ cabair for an application pack and nothing for a week.

Too be fair, he's probably been inundated. Plenty of time before the deadline.

Cheers
Mark

roundthebend 4th Oct 2005 21:30

I'm also waiting.....

For info you could look at Cabair's generalised details:

http://www.ccat.org.uk/syllabus_fwintegrated.htm

Dogbert 4th Oct 2005 21:49

FlyBE/CCAT
 
Hi,
Don't panic, it'll probably be a while; it took 2 weeks for mine to come last year, and I expect the same this year. The office at Cranfield is not very big and the admin of sending out 500+ forms at once is a bit stressful I would think. Are you all fresh lambs for the slaughter, or are there any other sad old repeat offenders like me?

cheers,
Dogbert

Superpilot 5th Oct 2005 08:27

Anyone know if the 60 hours cap is a strict limit? I'm on a hundred - taken me a while though.

martyfly 5th Oct 2005 09:29

Hi Dogbert

Iv have never applied for this sponsorship scheme before but have applied for the Easyjet CTC and Excel/Thomas Cook OAT schemes. I got through to stage 2 on all of the aforementioned schemes but fallen at the interview/aptitude tests!

What is the format of the flybe scheme; do they use PILAPT or COMPASS aptitude tests?

Cheers, Martyfly:mad:

Grass strip basher 5th Oct 2005 09:31

I agree the hours cap seems bizarre.... how do you represent a higher training risk if you have more hours under your belt already (I'm at 130). Seemed a very bizarre requirement to me... penalises you for having shown an interest in the profession..... hmmm I wonder what people would say if you stopped nurses from applying to medical school because they have "too many hours".... not exactly the same I know but still illustrates a point :rolleyes:

EGTC 5th Oct 2005 11:33

It must be because they want to train people their way, and they think people with less than 60 hours can easily adapt to their way of flying, I can see your point though. I suppose they might see the ideal candidate as someone who has flying experience (showing an interest in the career), but not too much (can still be trained their way).

mcand 5th Oct 2005 11:37

Maximum of 60 hours is very strange. I have 100 at the moment. I had my PPL when i was 17 and you would think that showing this commitment would be a positive thing.

Might tear some pages out of the log book

Grass strip basher 5th Oct 2005 11:48

I understand where you are coming from but the "learning to fly our way" arguement is a bit lame... imagine if you had built up your hours and done your PPL at a CCAT school!... or are the Flybe grads being taught to fly a warrior in some top secret fashion the rest of the aviation world are unfamiliar with?!

...or I can just imagine a jet FO with 3,000 hours at his interview at BA.... "I'm sorry sir but you have too many hours to be taught how to fly our way".... hmmmm seems like a load of old toilet to me.... anyone from CCAT care to comment??:*

ATP_Al 5th Oct 2005 12:57

They are looking for people who will fit in to an integrated course and progressing in line with a very rigidly structured syllabus.

From what I've heard, integrated students are taught to fly as if they were flying an airliner from day one. An experienced PPL will have some general aviation specific skills and knowledge that may conflict with the course content and actually slow progress. On the other hand, someone who has a limited amount of experience and is familiar with the effects of controls may progress quicker and by getting those hours they have demonstrated a measure of commitment to an aviation career.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it just seems to be the way it is. I applied to the same scheme in 2003 before they added the 60hr limit. I had a PPL and 265hrs and got all the way through to the final interview. I didn't get sponsored but I was first reserve in case anyone dropped out. I guess I'll never know if it was my experience that made the difference or not. However, I have since gained my fATPL via the modular route and that extra experience has now lifted me above many 250hrs pilots in the job hunting stakes. What I have noticed is that recruiters tend to focus on pilots in certain bands of experience. The trick is not to stay in the gaps between these bands for too long!

Good luck,

Al

Dogbert 5th Oct 2005 13:57

FlyBe/CCAT
 
The format last year was two test days.

Day 1/Second stage was 150ish multiple guess maths and physics, annoyingly and expensively on a separate test day.

Day 2/Third stage was the computer test (one used last year was Pilapt) plus headshrinking/perception test and interview; I think they'll be sticking to the the same formula this year. The H/P test was some proprietry thing which i forget the name of;(rummages through folders) ah ha, Morrisby tests is the name. They have a website so you can get a basic idea of the format, but because its all customised to identify optimum candidates(in this case for ATPL) there are lots of things in the test not in the examples.

As to the hours limit; I guess after running a scheme like this for 10 years, they have found that high hours have caused problems, which make them look bad and cost the customer money. I notice the age limit has been raised this year from 28 to 33, but I can't decide whether thats good or bad.:confused:

UAU242 6th Oct 2005 09:28

can you elaborate on the physics questions? Were they mechanical or the speed-distance-time type questions, or did they involve more than this?

Cheers

uau

NeoDude 6th Oct 2005 12:43

Where is the training for this sponsorship based?

And is it a similar deal as the Easyjet scheme with the 60k bond thats repayed over your first 7 years employment?

mcand 6th Oct 2005 12:59

Training is based at cabair.

jetgirl_99 7th Oct 2005 12:39

Just to let you all know, I received my application this morning, emailed Tim sometime last week. They must be on the way out now to everyone still waiting.

Good luck all!

c_jephcott 7th Oct 2005 12:46

The 60 hour cap is what is my stalling point above all else. I was strongly eyeing up applying for the sponsorship scheme, but this is going to provide a real problem to me, as I currently have 100 hours odd in a variety of different planes.

Just as a question, is anybody out there going to apply even if they have over 60 hours? Or really, should I just ditch the illusion and resign myself to a big bank loan?

Biggles_77 7th Oct 2005 17:17

Hi,
Received the application form today. Although I will still apply I am a little concerned about the finance side of the contract. Basically I need more information?, and I don't know if previous applicants can help ?. I'm quite happy/willing to fork out £40K if successful but what i'm concerned about is that FlyBe want you to pay back their share of £20K also. I thought the point of a part-sponsorship was for them to pay an amount (and for it not to be paid back) and for you as the cadet to pay the £40k loan back ??..

The contract mentions that they deduct £3,960 per annum from your salary to repay the costs from them i.e £20k in total, and that you will be paid the appropriate FO's salary (but what is it?).. Looking at PPJN is that £30K ?? or do you enter as a cadet FO on a lower salary ?.

Sorry to talk about money but if recruited on a salary of low £20k it would be almost impossible to repay a loan of that amount and FlyBe ? Can someone shed anything on this subject ? previous successful applicants maybe? - and how they managed?.

It is a great scheme and I appreciate what they are doing for low houred people but the information is vague with regards to finance. I know I will need to ask more questions if I get onto the 2nd stage.

Thanks, Biggles

Bootylicious 7th Oct 2005 18:02

Guys, if you have more than 60hrs, just lose some of them!

VarigMD11 8th Oct 2005 13:53

Hi guys

Ive also received my (rather thin) pack about 2 days ago. I have started to fill it in, but am rather perplexed by the payment scheme. I know that HSBC have a deal with Cabair, does this also apply to the FlyBe scheme (paying back the £37000), or do the applicants have to find the funds themselves??

Also, it is stated in small print that FlyBe would favour applicants from the Channel islands and N Ireland. Now I understand the Channel Island bit, as Flybe have many routes to and from the Islands, but I dont understand why people from N Ireland have a greater chance of success, any comments??

Cheers

Artificial Horizon 8th Oct 2005 14:04

Biggles,

in reply to your question about the salary at FlyBe you do indeed lose around 3 grand a year as a result of being sponsored. I left FlyBe about six months ago and the Dash salary then was 24,800ish + flight pay which will amount to about 2,500 per year. Monthly take home was about 1,700 - 333 for the sponsorship so you could bank on between 1400 and 1500 per month. I think that you will find that there is NO sponsorship scheme still in existance that does not expect you to pay back the training costs. I suppose they should really call it an interest free loan as opposed to sponsorship. A couple of things that I would throw in aswell is the fact that you are also expected to sign the dash _ training bond when you join which when I left was 12,000 reducing over 3 years. The net result is that you owe flybe over 30,000 grand if you want to leave on day one, this reduces over the period of years to 0, so it is quite a commitment. Having siad that though, it worked for me and I now fly nice shiney jets for a major airline:)

Biggles_77 8th Oct 2005 16:13

Thanks AH,

I'm interested to know from you how you managed to pay the HSBC (£40k) loan back and how much that was per month ? - also how did you survive a whole year with no salary from FlyBe ? - did you have to take an extended loan ?
Cheers, Biggles

CrewChick 8th Oct 2005 16:35

Hi Guys

I too sent off for the application pack, sent the email on Wed night and received the pack this morning.

I'm slightly confused with all the financing etc so some of the comments so far have been a great help.

I am a flying virgin, never been at the controls of a plane before, just served tea and coffee for a while now and at 25 years old I feel that there are gonna be loads of 18/19 year olds fresh out of doing their A levels to compete with.

Would be great to chat to any of you that went through this last year.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained I guess.

CrewChick

Maude Charlee 8th Oct 2005 16:42

Current starting salary for the Q400 is a shade over £26K and the TR training bond £13.5K, reducing over 3 years. No repayment from you in respect of the TR bond, although if you skip town before the bond is up, Barclays will come and hunt you down as it is financed through them with a secured loan.

In respect of the NI bias, I think this is because they find BHD a difficult base to recruit for on a long term basis. The situation with CI is a little different due to the restrictions placed on giving work to those with residency rights only.

EGTC 8th Oct 2005 16:51


I am a flying virgin, never been at the controls of a plane before, just served tea and coffee for a while now and at 25 years old I feel that there are gonna be loads of 18/19 year olds fresh out of doing their A levels to compete with.
Unfortunately the minimun age for application is 20, so that rules me out :(

Audio 8th Oct 2005 17:49

[quote]he situation with CI is a little different due to the restrictions placed on giving work to those with residency rights only.[/ci]

Ive got to tell you i love that law now :D, so look like they want some based in the CI then.

anyone from CI applying?

Biggles_77 9th Oct 2005 14:30

I know the first stage of tests are maths & physics to AS Level.
Are they questions that require a calculator or can they be done off the top of your head ?

Quincy M.E. 10th Oct 2005 10:23

Is it just me or is the 'sponsorship' not that great?
 
I fully appreciate that sponsorship schemes today are different to those run in the pre 9/11 days and serve as an enabler to a career as a pilot rather than a free-ride. However I can not feel anything but dissapointment at the structure of the Flybe offer.

Speaking as one of the church mice contingent of wanabbees (ie poor as) this scheme is not going to help me in any way that I can see. I have no means of providing the 40K in securites nor do I have access to the remaining funds without taking on an unsecured loan which I don't think the bank would do.

Much better are the recently run Oxford shemes whereby all the neccessary finding is accessed via the bank without the need for securities. I went for those but I don't think I will bother with Cabair/Flybe's.

just_go_to 10th Oct 2005 11:03

Quincy,

I'd double check the HSBC loan available through places like Oxford. I believe they now need security of some sort. It seems historically they were unsecured but they changed that.

Sorry to be a kill-joy.


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