Global Aviation Solutions testing day
 

Hi everyone,

can someone who has been through the GAS testing day please shine some light on what is tested (in detail if possible) and tell me about your experience with the company and what the training is like. I would just like to know a little more about the chances of getting through the selection before i fork out £850. It would also be good if anyone could shine some light on the possible airline partners.

many thanks

Like most of these "buy your way into the cockpit" concepts, they are most surely just looking your facial expression at the moment you lay down the £850,- check. If you manage to create the illusion that "there's plenty of it where this is coming from", you're in!

As about the "possible airline partners": most of those would be interested in your services whose financial state is such that they can't even afford to pay for their F/O's at all. (I'm sure that they would be really "magnificient" companies to work with other aspects as well !?)

Finally: Do you really think that those airlines will give you a permanent job some day (and pay you the salary) as long as they will be a long line of your fellow "trainees" willing to take your seat and work for free?

hi guys,
Heardt heir main partner airline doesnt pay their fo anymore than............

Good luck to you.

M.85

Edited because of mis-information.

I have had to take action to remove to the sin bin a post that was seriously defamatory and has no place on PPRuNe.

Please remember. If you make accusations against a person or organisation you may be called to substantiate it by supplying your name and address so that PPRuNe never faces a libel action. And do not assume that a company is one thing or another - you may be wrong.

If you have doubts about an organisation take it up with them. But DO NOT cast doubts on PPRuNe unless you stand by them.

I hope that is clear.

Get good solid information. It IS available.


PPP

Here we go again! :hmm:

Speedbird asks for some genuine feedback and what do we get?
Aviate 378, 126.9 and M.85, all with very well informed and vitriolic responses. I wonder why?

Go look at some of their profiles and the subject content of their previous posts on PPRuNe, and then go analyse the content of their specific posts. Very enlightening, if you have the time to do the research!

My preliminary examination would suggest the following;

Aviate378; 43 years of age, Captain on B757, not really happy, but 'scrounging around' in the 'wanabee section'? If true, why is he wasting his time here? Begs an answer!

126.9; he appears to be out of work, but with a sh1t load of experience, according to him 10,000 hours overall, 3,500 heavy jet, 1000 hrs heavy jet P1, yet currently flying an ATR 42/72 as a TRI? OMG, I've been looking for ATR TRE's for ages, even want one right now to take a position as Chief Training Captain, but did he apply?

M.85; he apears to be just a wanabee, looking for his first break, but with a big mouth to go with it!

All of you guys mentioned above would appear to either have a different agenda or rather you make yourselves out to be something you are clearly not! PPRuNE is a great place for you to hide and 'spout off' about all and sundry in this business that you know very little about. You will get found out!

Now. I have come away from a meeting with one of my customers today and I have an order to fill approximately 37 new pilot jobs for next summer season. That is fact. They will start as early as January. Some will be experienced type rated Captains, others will be direcct entry Captains that require a type rating, others will be experienced F/O's requiring a type rating, and the rest will be ab-initio level guys.

The most important fact is that you meet the criteria of my airline customer; I know what that is! You have to meet the right 'personality profile' and my advice to the 3 above is that you will not, from what you say here! I accept you may be differnt in real life. Theres a clue!

Second, you have to meet the ability level; we'll see about that and we will be the judge! Money does not guarantee you a place, inspite of what Aviate might say.

Third; will I name this customer on here? No way. Come back in 3 months time and call me a liar! By that time events will have overtaken themselves and this will be information in the public domain.

The first guy starts 01 December, many start early January, so go figure!

Now, to the posts made by the 3 muskateers;

Aviate? No one works for free

126.9 Robbery, thievery and skulldugery? Go talk to a lawyer. I won't sue you , but I will expose you as an idiout and a prat , at least!

M.85 and Aviate, best word to describe your allegations and 'hearsay' is 'bo**llocks'; don't listen to all you hear. In this instance, all you alledge you hear is absolute crap. I can only suggest you should go listen to more reliable people or go take a hearing test!

CH4

CH4,
A very much justified defence of your organisation from what you, or indeed anyone could or should describe as prats!
But back to the initial enquiry, are you able to advise Speedbird1 as to what to expect at your Global Assessment Day?

Please do not let your personal feelings about paying for type ratings stray into ill-considered posts about companies who quite legally and ethically offer such products to those who want them (and remember that their customers aren't only 200-hour wannabes!).

If you have intelligent argument which informs the debate and carries it forward, please feel free to contribute. If all you want to do is rant your oft-expressed prejudices, please refrain until you've cooled down, can argue coherently and can accept that other, equally intelligent, individuals can and do hold opposing points of view.

CH4, I admire your restraint!

Scroggs

Opsmaneurope, yes I will. Our website does need updating, and forgive me for that. Just not enough hours in the day at the moment to do everything that needs doing. I'm 'fighting fires' at the moment, trying to fill orders. That's what some of these idiots refuse to understand! I'll get called a CRM nightmare, but what the hell. Those pilots that work for me will testify in my defence. Funny old thing, they don't frequent here, they are too happy flying and earning money!

Forgive me if I sound harsh again; I've had a very full and stressful day, finding work for pilots!

Scroggs,

Thanks for the vote of support. I think you understand what we are doing as I had hoped most people here would too.

Our reputation is too important to us to damage by making false promises. I genuinely have many hundreds of pilots that have either worked for me or who still do. I look after them like my own.

If people really want testimony here, I could mobilise my guys to post here, but what the hell would that proove?

Those guys that bitch here are on to a looser, IMHO!

CH4

Speedbird, sorry

Give Martin Coleman a call tommorrow on 01293 863380; he will give you all the info you need.

CH4

CH4, you have now been calling me "one of the idiots, who is wasting his time" by 'scrounging around' in the 'wanabee section'. Thanks for a good laugh, but why shouldn't I? Is it somehow forbidden? Maybe I should ask you, why you are so nervous to see some of us more seasoned guys looking after the young ones?

Let me try to explain, once again, why I do not like the business you are doing:

1. It adds a considerable amount of cost to, what already is extremely expensive, initial pilot training. There will be more and more of those individuals who simply can not afford to be professional pilots anymore. This means that plenty of good talent will be waisted and I don't think this will serve any good for the whole airline industry on the long run.

2. With all that huge investment one must commit him/herself, there will be no, what so ever, commitment on your side! What is the whole purpose of this £850.- screening session, other than bringing the additional cash flow in your company, if it doesn't show if one is up to the standard you are looking for?

3. In spite of this huge investment for one's career, it does not reflect into his/her salary, contradictary, it seems that their salaries are far lower than before. By the way, why can't you come out with the real salaries one could expect if he/she REALLY is rewarded with a job. Your comment "no one works for free" is just not good enough!

4. Because of the fact above, people are not only losing money but time as well, it will take additional years to reach their ultimate career goal; a good, honest and fairly paid job. (like the one I'm blessed these days)

In spite of your tendency to take this debate into personal level by calling us names, making all kind of (false) assumptions of our individual crew management abilities and the general statements of my very own personal happiness (which went wrong again), I'm kindly asking us all to remember: It should be our subject we are arguing about, not ourself against each other. This requires of course, as we have seen, some degree of intelligence...

Would the airline requiring 37 pilots by next summer happen to be in a country which lies just to the north of England, per chance...? ;)

Aviate378,
Excuse me for interupting a personal grievance you obviously have here towards Global and/or CH4 but to quote your words:

(It should be our subject we are arguing about, not ourself against each other.)

Please may I take this opportunity, as an educated individual to point out to you that what 'we' are arguing about is, and I quote Speedbird1:

(can someone who has been through the GAS testing day please shine some light on what is tested (in detail if possible) and tell me about your experience with the company and what the training is like)

Would you care to explain to the readers of this board as to how your posts have been constructive in answering Speedbird's enquiry or is it more the case indeed that you have a personality disorder?

I'm of the opinion that Speedbird was looking for an answer from someone who has attended the assessment day rather than from someone who finds himself shouting his mouth off.

Would you care to clarify, in black and white, which airline partners you refer to in your previous post when you say:

(As about the "possible airline partners": most of those would be interested in your services whose financial state is such that they can't even afford to pay for their F/O's at all.)

I feel sure that many will be happy to learn, from your obvious wealth of knowledge, whom these partner airlines are?

I believe this is a case of, as often referred to as, 'Put up, or shut up'!

Yours Sincerely
Opsmaneurope

Meeb, no you wold be wrong.

Aviate; 'if the cap fits', then you could be described as an idiot. LOL

CH4, after I posted I realised 37 aircrew was way over the top for that outfit anyway... cheers... ;)

Dear Opsmaneurope

How I'm trying to be constructive here is: Maybe these companies should play with bit more open cards, like saying:

"Okay, you have now passed our aptitude assesment session, and we have found you to be a fairly skillfull and competent pilot with nice attitude towards your job. Your training will cost you this much (an exact sum) and If you do not screw up with your training we will be able to place you with (the name of an airline). Your salary will be (the amount)". If that would be the case, I would say that it would be ethically ok. (still wouldn't like it because most of those 4 items listed in my previous post)

But as long as I hear: "well, we are going to charge you for this and that, then you might improve your chances by paying for your initial operation experience, and after that there's MAYBE a job available somewhere". I feel sad because it will be just another way to take this profession of being a pilot down again. Why do I feel so? Because, do we earn our respect and dignity by working/studying hard and getting to the next step by being one of the best, or just paying our way there?

Being an airline pilot is and has been a fairly respectable job (in addition that it's so much fun), but is there even a single soul who wouldn't feel that slowly & surely we are losing it. Why? Because we have been willing to give it away... Every day, when we see another one willing to pay more for his/her training & job and working for less, we are digging our own hole. If this tendency continues, soon those bus & truck drivers will be paid more than the aviation professionals. This is something we should remember when making our decisions...

And opsmaneurope, with all respect, it's quite hard for me consider you as an educated individual because everyone with even a little amount of formal education realizes that the diagnose of "personality disorder" requires bit more of analyzing than just a letter...

Regards
Aviate378

ps. you may not like what I'm writing here, but there is no way you could give me an order to shut up!

Now let's just calm down for a while.

While it's admirable to request that the thread stays on track this has never in the history of the site prevented drift, general discussion or the seeking of allied information.

So let's keep this fair.

M.85 makes use of the forums other than these in a way that most wannabees don't. She or he isn't actually an entirely inexperienced pilot. A glance at posts made clearly show this - freight operations with metros and Beech 1900's are mentioned. Despite English not being a first language thoughtful questions are asked on other forums which extend well beyond the normal breathless gasping for first job stuff.

Aviate makes a series of valid points regarding changes to the trade extending time and financial outlay before achieving that first fully salaried permanent contract - something those running the types of courses under discussion didn't have to consider. Many of the questions and points are exactly the ones I'd raise if I didn't know CH4.

However, I suspect quite few eyebrows join mine quizically raised at the selfless devotion of 'opsmaneurope' to each and every mention of Global and Storm. Roughly 85% of 39 posts since September 2002. Luckily I'm not of a nasty suspicious disposition or I'd have to add a health warning to just about every post you make.

But enough of this carefree banter, CH4 has a successful business in an area where reputation amongst working pro pilots and engineers is the most vital asset. He does this to make a living - that nasty word profit. The same reason I got out of bed this morning so absolutely no problem there.

Commercial confidentially is regretably part of the stock in trade in the agency business. While it may be frustrating to get repeated questions touching on this he is working on developing a new niche in the market - a lot of learning is going on and great care should be taken in the tone of messages from both sides. No-one should have to put up with abuse but CH4 consider this, you're writing with the exact client knowledge in your head as you type. The readers do not. It seems weak, washy and even evasive compared to a competitor which publishes a definite client list. Please consider this carefully.

Finally, setting aside the confidentiality aspects, any thinking wannabee must be wondering how successful this sort of scheme will be. Taken to its logical conclusion will the initial successful candidates be washed out of that lovely flightdeck by each succeeding wave of paying guests? If it's such a good deal all round surely the airline will adopt it as SOP - it's been alive for a good while at Air Berlin. The concept is self defeating if there's nil chance of being kept on. Only a tiny percentage of pilots find the world of moving from contract to contract suits them.

CH4 - If folks know and accept you're in this to make a living and that it's a win-win deal for your client airline or airlines you've got to expect some pretty searching questions from those considering laying out money to support two other, appparently, far better funded parties.

You're suggesting a considerable amount of extra debt without the protections afforded by company law to the other partners and suppliers in this venture. You're creating a world which is no longer that of the traditional airline interview - the lowly supplicant approaching the giver of jobs and wages.

However, your interview fee alone engulfs the cost of them staying legal and current in the general job market. Thus, with the wannabee now providing a significant part of the financial package, they'd be utterly stupid if there wasn't an element of them interviewing you. Just like we've spent years training them to do at every other stage of the path to a professional licence.

Regards to all,
Rob Lloyd

CH4

After people have been reading both of our posts, let's get THOSE ones the chance to decide who's head is the one the cap fits :)

What a great idea! It is helping no-one, least of all the wannabes, to have bickering from professionals.

Bit of advice from a been there........it cost literally £000's less to train now than it did X years ago. Now it costs getting on for £20k to get a type rating. No airline can cater for that anymore - very very few anyway. Nowadays it is becoming almost essential that you have a type rating first. But which one? And for which airline? This is where a scheme for sim assessment comes into it's own, and if a company is undertaking that on behalf of airline or airlines it has to be be a good thing.

Bonding was a way of getting that £20k back. No-one liked that but the airline needs protection from the idiots who got on board only to leave the airline in the lurch - and £20k poorer! That is not right.

A wannabe, or anyone else for that matter, has to demonstrate that he is good enough to take on for training even though he is paying. £850 is not a lot find out if you can make the grade via a sim assessment, if your IR work is good enough, if you can scan correctly etc.,

The back biting here is an all out attack on the company, seemingly, from people who have a serious personal issue involved. My answer to that is you are way out of line. Decisions to spend one's own money is a personal matter. What the wannabes seek is advice not a lesson on how to air dirty washing or gripes.

They certainly do not want to participate in a contest with professionals slagging each other off or behaving badly. Your are certainly not helping anyone are you. As professionals we should NOT use personal grudges to attack a scheme that is ASSUMED to be a rip-off. I don't believe that it is. The company is actually very successful.

That said. Wannabes and those who are desperate to get a type rating here is my advice.

Do DUE DILIGENCE. Get all the information you need before parting with any money. Be sure you know what you are getting into by asking as many questions as you need to. If you are told that there is a guarantee of a job at the end of the training, which includes base and line checks, get it in writing. Then you need to know at what salary and what kind of contract. Again get it in writing. If the company has nothing to hide they will do it. If they will not do it - walk away.

Good luck.

Now, you professionals. Just take a step back and let those at the bottom of the ladder get on it if that is their want. Then, take your personal issues elsewhere and help not hinder. If you cannot help then don't say anything.

Guys, let's just be calm. If GAS is as good as someone states here, then everybody will be happy. On the contrary, in a short while, we will have plenty of posts of disappointed fellow-pilot-customers who will describe in details where the rotten is.
Let's just give time to time, and if a pilot, after spending all those money, will be frustrated, I'm sure he will be more than willing to write some feebacks here ;-)

Dear CaptainFillosan

quote: "£850 is not a lot"

Well, maybe not to you with your nice captain's wallet, but for a young guy without a steady income it could mean a lot. Especially when we remember that only couple of years ago those airlines were willing to pick up the bill with no hesitation at all.

quote:" Do DUE DILIGENCE. Get all the information you need before parting with any money. Be sure you know what you are getting into by asking as many questions as you need to. If you are told that there is a guarantee of a job at the end of the training, which includes base and line checks, get it in writing. Then you need to know at what salary and what kind of contract. Again get it in writing. If the company has nothing to hide they will do it. If they will not do it - walk away."

That's an excellent comment and I just could not agree more with you ( I would just like to add: "at the end of SUCCESSFULL completion of the training"). But could you (and "all your friends") enlight me with just a small little detail: Why guys like me, who are asking those TRTOs to come out more openly with the relevant information, including true and real chances of landing on a permanent, reasonably paid job, always get treated like "criminals"? If we are not immediately willing to join this choir singing: "Ooh, this is such a great deal, and everyone should just go for it!", it gives you the right to say that we are no help at all, and we should keep our mouth shut???

I guess we've all had time to calm down a bit from the flurry of rapid postings that appeared last night. Some sage advice coming from some people here; especially Towers and Captain Fillosan. I've said in another post elsewhere, as you will recall Aviate, no-one is too old or wise enough to learn and receive feedback from others; the essence of good CRM., and that applies equally to me as anyone else here. I'm not always right and sometimes I do make mistakes. I only hope that as each year goes by, I make less than I did in the previous year.

I know Towers and have done for a long time. Personally, i don't agree with all he says, but I do know that what he says he believes and we may agree to disagree. If we do disagree then we will do so in a gentlemanly and polite manner. Even if I disagree with him I respect his opinion as I know him to be a genuine, honest and well meaning kind of guy. I would class him as one of my friends in life.

I would like to set a few things straight;

Aviate I did not call you an idiot. The one I called an idiot was 126.9. His post has since been removed by one of the moderators because it was clearly slanderous and defamatory, liable to action. Maybe he had just come back from the pub, who knows, but that kind of post is inadmissable. My comment to you, 'if the cap fits' was very much 'tongue in cheek' - I thought the LOL would have clearly demonstrated that, so I hope you didn't take offence as none was intended in that remark.

The information that most people are asking is now available, but not here, for all the very reasons answered before. It will be divulged to those that are seriously interested and who are in contact with us on a one to one basis. Those not interested might like to know, but sometimes a like to know is not a good enough reason. As the information is now out in the public domain I guess it will be just a question of time before it filters its way through to here.

I guess that we have probably covered all of the issues that may be relevant in the numerous postings on the various topics, so I now propose to gracefully retire from this arena, on the basis that repeats of the same old opinions and questions have already been covered to death elsewhere. I think there is enough information for new pilots to be referred to previous posts for answers on everything.

I will be monitoring topics for obvious reasons, to ensure the likes of 126.9 don't repeat their fauxpas again or to answer a new and genuine question that may not have been previously covered.

For what its worth; we actually made a loss on the last assessment day. Too many of the candidates were successful, so I have to foot the bill for that! LOL. Yes, I can laff about that, because I'm actually very pleased that so many were successful. Contrary to what some might deduce from what I say here, I do actually achieve a real satisfaction in being able to give someone that 'leg up' onto that ladder. You have to remember that I too have been through this painful process and I am eternally grateful to those that helped me when I most needed that help. I guess its called paying back some of that help to others.

In Aviates own words Peace and have a good one :ok:

Sorry, I forgot my chemical signature; CH4

Aviate378

I am curious as to why you edited your post. I was elsewhere when I noticed that you had seen a howler of mine! Quite right too.

What I meant to say was "It costs literally £000's more to train now than it did X years ago." My apologies but I think your ribbing regarding the finance department was well justified.

I no longer have a nice Captains wallet but I do realise that a young guy must be totally dedicated and have the support of a bank, or a very rich father. But, the fact is that it is not only GAS who are asking for sim assessment costs, many airlines do that now. It is a sign of the times and another giant leap on to the commercial ladder.

What they must do is be very wary and be sure that what they are offered is genuine and cannot be reneged upon. The real risk is their ability to do the IR work correctly. Mess that up and he or she is likely to be out of pocket. Castings aspersions on that particular subject is unnecessary and can be libellous. Just make sure the details are well known before proceeding.

As to your final comment I cannot disagree with you. GAS HAVE to be open and honest about final line checks leading to a contractually safe job. It should NOT encourage people to take on the committment unless this is forthcoming. That would be the fair and honest thing to do.

So, if I may re-iterate what I have said before. Due diligence is your only early safeguard. Consider the £850 outlay. Are you good enough to do a sim assessment. Can you scan correctly, can you do, without screwing up say, a LGW departure to MAY and a good well ordered approach to LGW. It's not VERY difficult if you can cope. If you can't, and you know you can't don't spend the money - yet!

I think I will leave my input at that.

CH4

Thanks for your reply that has now cleared the air quite a bit. I'll take you word that: "The information that most people are asking is now available..." And I do hope that the "wannabees" will be asking those important questions, and what ever is agreed and promised will be respected & held, this goes both ways.

I do hope that you will understand that my sometimes quite provocative postings were written only because I was hoping that you and your company would proof that I was wrong and to be more open and informative. I also want to point out that I do not have anything personal against you or the company you are representing. We will still have some disagreements with some of those 4 issues I was addressing earlier under this subject, I do hope that you respect my point of view as much as I do understand that this is your business and you have the right to make your living with it.

So, let's move on and let the time show us what will happen. If I'll see plenty of postings in the future, where your "wannabees" are happy with the jobs and salary you have arranged to them, I promise, here and now, to take all my scepticism back :)


CaptFillosan

Yes, it was that one word that got me confused, but it's ok, I guessed your original thought. By the way, I think that I coudn't survive at the Finance Department any better than you ;)



I wish the best of luck to everyone

:ok:

Ditto Aviate378. :ok: ;)

Hi guys and girls

Well, i did cause a bit of an uproar didnt i. I apologise for that. I did phone Martin Coleman and got the information on what is involved in the testing day, and he was more than helpful. I would just like to ask one more time if i can if anyone has been through the selection and if there is a detailed explanation they can give about the specific tests and the sim profile.

thank you everyone for your replies, its been interesting.

One final clarification - at least partial:} - while we're all holding hands.

The comments from 126.9 were totally unacceptable, abusive and thus removed. A bowdlerised precis would have been caveat emptor and shop around.

I suspect, but can't yet prove, that the writer feels he or she was ripped off for a very significant sum over a type rating.

This does not apply in any way to CH4. As I mentioned in my earlier post reputation is all for his core business. He simply can't afford any hint of not giving his clients a square deal with the best 'aftercare' in the business.

My opinion is that in the presently changing market many of you don't need to join such a scheme. However, those of you who see it as an option will meet a guy who really does go the extra mile to look after his 'troops.'

Regards
Rob

As a further and final clarification and to clear the air a little further, no, I do not work nor am I employed by Global however I have a very close friend who does, and before anyone asks, no that friend is not CH4.
Perhaps I have shot from the hip a little but, Aviate378, are you prepared to be honest and admit that you do not know who Global's customer airlines are thus you are not in a position to pass judgement?
Having an insight into inside information which I would love to talk about but I cannot, there is a level of frustration to read some of the posts made.
Aviate378, I am calling a truce here and bowing out gracefully, in my departure I ask that you be gentlemanly enough to retract your previous post regarding customer airlines not being in a postion to pay salaries etc.
Individuals, one of whom is very close to me, are putting a lot of work into the placement of pilots after completion of training courses and certain posts (not necessarily yours) bring tears to their eyes.
Please be humane about this and you will have my respect thereafter Aviate378.
Best wishes to all

opsmaneurope,

as I said before, my sometimes quite provocative postings were made only because there were lots of people who wanted to know more about this deal and the actual chance to land on reasonably well paid job after a successfull final check. My comment about "airlines who can not afford to pay salaries" was ment to be just a challenge to reveal who those airline customers actually are and what kind of salary could actually be expected ( quite pertinent information to any prospective trainee, don't you think?).

After reading PPRuNe Towers reply (he seems to know this training organization and people connected with it pretty well) I do believe when CH4 says: "The information that most people are asking is now available..." , that he really means it.

Finally, I would like to quote CaptainFillosan's words (because I couldn't say it any better): "GAS HAVE to be open and honest about final line checks leading to a contractually safe job. It should NOT encourage people to take on the committment unless this is forthcoming. That would be the fair and honest thing to do."

Best Regards

Aviate378


ps. If someone is wondering why I'm so worried about the "wannabees" future here, I can reveal that I got ripped off during my initial pilot training in the USA. Even I tried to be as carefull as I could, it somehow happened! Luckily it didn't prevent my dream to come true and I truly enjoy my life as a professional pilot these days.

I try to take it as a learning experience and make sure it will not happen again, to any of us, if possible at all. It was a very clever scam, but I do not want to go in details here because this is the wrong arena, it was not connected anyway or anyhow into any of people or organization mentioned in previous posts.

Then I wonder...
 

How many B737 they have altogether Astraeus and Storm? How come Astraeus asks 1170£ for the type raiting selection process that is the same 1-day-selection of GAS which costs "just" 850£? Actually it's even shorter, because you just need to do a psychological test besides the simulator.
Do we have any Astraeus expert here?

i think astraeus use better quality paper on the psychometric tests.

There are no psychometric tests to do for Astraeus, if you are just buying the type rating.
Just a simulator test and a silly psychological profile.

clearly i'm not the Astraeus expert you were looking for! Astraeus have two 737's at LGW. G-STRA (300) and G-STRE (700). I wouldn't worry about the 320 quid difference in selection prices when the final cost is so enormous. after all, in both cases the selection money is creditted to your final bill, and presumably you won't be going for the selection unless you think you stand a pretty good chance of getting through.

Storm have no aircraft - their specialities are the supply of pilots / cabin crew / engineers / trainers / etc, and also the provision of engineering line-maintenance support to airlines - indeed they provide the line-maintenance for Astraeus, and many other much larger airlines.

Astraeus presently have five B737's:

G-STRA - B737-300
G-STRB - B737-300
G-STRC - B737-700
G-STRD - B737-700
G-STRE - B737-300

Until about two weeks ago Astraeus also had a sixth aircraft, i.e. G-BZZA - B737-300, which it has since been returned its owners / leasing company

The fleet predominantly operates out of LGW, MAN, and STN - and / or where ever the business requires.

Subject to market conditions, it's is strongly rumoured that for the 2004 summer season Astraeus will be operating a fleet of seven, or maybe even eight, B737's ( a mixture of -300 & -700 series aircraft ).

They are also presently negotiating for a total fleet renewal ( in 2005 ) where any such fleet is very likely to be either Boeing B737's or Airbus A319's.

Just a small post,

When the assesment is succeed, what's next, how is that working.

Do we have to go again in England before the beginning of the course? when begin the course? where is the type rating done?
Do we sign something with storm? and so one.

If somebody can help me with information, I will appreciate it.
I could phone to Gas, but as we are the week-end nobody answer.

PS: CH4 if you don't want to give this info. on the forum, don't hesitate to send me a PM.

PS 2 : No need of negative think or endless debat about GAS, thank you...

Flying Oli:cool:

the fact is...
 

The only 2 companies with a sort of agreement with GAS are Storm and Astraeus, that's why I was wondering how many a/c do they have altogether, just to have a very idea of how many pilots they can claim to really need.

Astraeus run there own self sponsored type rating scheme, don't think they would use Global to recruit for them instead.

number - GAS is a joint venture between Storm and Bond ( Astraeus ).

As far as I can tell, the whole point of what GAS joint venture is offering is that the people employed at Bond ( Astraeus ) will train you to fly the B737, and the people working at Storm will find an airline to take you once you are rated - at the end of the day you might find yourself working for any number of airlines, which might ( or might not ) include Astraeus.

cleared24right - don't be so sure, but you are correct when you say that Astraeus have previously run a type-rating scheme ( through PPRuNe actually ).

Puritan, If GAS is as you said a joint venture between those 2 airlines, how can someone work for a different company (if he will work of course)? The only chances are with Storm and Astraeus.
That's why I was asking how many a/c they have altogether, so far I've counted 5 planes. Plus the ones of Storm which I don't know about.
How many positions as co pilots can they claim to offer? 5 or 6 at the most...
That's why, the offer of GAS would be 100% honest if they would also underline how many positions are available, and the best ones coming out from the training will go for them.
It could be all so easy....

Look, here is what Astraeus is doing for next year, I am pretty certain however that CH4 who obviously runs the Global scheme mentioned that GAS are not providing ANY pilots to Astraeus, could be wrong, best to ask him.

http://www.jethros.i12.com/FLEETS/Listings/ASTRAEUS.htm

number - It is easy ( but you seemingly don't get it ! ).

Wr.t. employment and 'The only chances are with Storm and Astraeus.' - I'm afraid that your assumption is just plain wrong.

Nb. You should remember that, for many years, approx 50% of Storm's business has been placing pilots with airlines ( both permanent and contract ) with remainder of Storm's business being the provision of 'engineering line maintenance' and other ancillary services for airlines.

I know for a fact that Storm have been out talking to airlines ( in the UK and Europe ) and making arrangements with those airlines for them to take-on the pilots who complete the GAS type-rating course.

That said, one would imagine that the GAS pilots are initially on temporary airline contracts, but where it is to be hoped that the host airline(s) will convert the temporary contracts into something more permanent.... failing that one might choose to continue as a 'contract pilot' ( and many do ) wherein Storm are quite likely to be able to find them contracts to match their employment needs ( especially so as it's in Storm’s own interest to do it ).

cleared24right - just seen your post above ( hence the edit ) Thanks for the link.... which I think you'll find confirms what I said at the top of this page w.r.t. Astraeus’ fleet size.
I also suspect that you're right about Astraeus' recruitment from the GAS scheme in that, unless things dramatically change, Astraeus are presently mob-handed with FO's.... it's Captains that are thin on the ground.

Puritan, spot on!