Approx number of Unemployed Pilots in UK?
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Approx number of Unemployed Pilots in UK?
Hi all,
I am interested to know an approximate number of unemployed pilots in the UK right now, no exaggerations please, people who have CPL/IR fATPL but are sitting without a flying job?
If anyone can tell where I can get this info from then great, otherwise if you can make an intelligent guess then post below,
thanks.
I am interested to know an approximate number of unemployed pilots in the UK right now, no exaggerations please, people who have CPL/IR fATPL but are sitting without a flying job?
If anyone can tell where I can get this info from then great, otherwise if you can make an intelligent guess then post below,
thanks.
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Me, Sorry that's fececious i know. There were some guestimates on here some time ago. The CAA publish numbers of people who have a class 1 medical, but not how many cpl's or atpl's. SO it's extremely hard to figure out, and i don't think anyone really knows
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The CAA used to publish the numbers of CPL and ATPL holders under the old UK licencsing scheme. They got this info from people who renew their class one medicals at UK AMEs.
2000 figures (last published):
ATPL(A) 10,475
CPL(A)* 4,823
*includes now-defunct BCPL(A)
2000 figures (last published):
ATPL(A) 10,475
CPL(A)* 4,823
*includes now-defunct BCPL(A)
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HAMRAH had a figure that got bandied around at the last seminars for the wannabees. It was collated by the recruiters from their experience and the CAA figures of licenses etc.
I can not remember it that well but something along the line of 7000 people with about 20% unemployable.
Correct me if I am wrong.
It was a gloomy outlook but a bonanza for the CAA who can pick up all the fees!!!
I can not remember it that well but something along the line of 7000 people with about 20% unemployable.
Correct me if I am wrong.
It was a gloomy outlook but a bonanza for the CAA who can pick up all the fees!!!
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The IPA websites shows the following:
Active membership currently stands at 1798 of whom 328 are shown as unemployed. The breakdown of unemployed members by experience level is as follows:
300 hours 91
300-500 hours 45
500-1000 hours 48
1000-1500 hours 37
1500-2000 hours 23
2000-3000 hours 30
3000-5000 hours 21
5000 hours 33
It doesn't give a clue as to the overall total but gives some clues as to the distribution of experience.
Active membership currently stands at 1798 of whom 328 are shown as unemployed. The breakdown of unemployed members by experience level is as follows:
300 hours 91
300-500 hours 45
500-1000 hours 48
1000-1500 hours 37
1500-2000 hours 23
2000-3000 hours 30
3000-5000 hours 21
5000 hours 33
It doesn't give a clue as to the overall total but gives some clues as to the distribution of experience.
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There are too many of us
There were 14,000 frozen ATPLs or above on the UK register
with IRs when I last looked
I reckon about 7,000 fly in the UK as airline pilots the
rest fly GA
Its 50%
Sad to say but many AIRLINE TPL's remain in GA throughout their career I know many who work as FIs and have done since the
late 80's when they were in their 30's !!
Many of the CAA flight examiners have never flown airliners!
One can assume that many of these people tried and failed
to get an airline position often due to the age commensurate
with experience requirement that exists....
The CAA dont publish the number of people that have multi crew
ratings as it may affect revenue!
with IRs when I last looked
I reckon about 7,000 fly in the UK as airline pilots the
rest fly GA
Its 50%
Sad to say but many AIRLINE TPL's remain in GA throughout their career I know many who work as FIs and have done since the
late 80's when they were in their 30's !!
Many of the CAA flight examiners have never flown airliners!
One can assume that many of these people tried and failed
to get an airline position often due to the age commensurate
with experience requirement that exists....
The CAA dont publish the number of people that have multi crew
ratings as it may affect revenue!
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Yarpy - I've seen those figures too.
It would be so much more useful if they'd state what percentage of the total membership (unemployed or otherwise) is made up of guys with <300 hrs.
I suspect it's quite high.
It would be so much more useful if they'd state what percentage of the total membership (unemployed or otherwise) is made up of guys with <300 hrs.
I suspect it's quite high.
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14000? Frozen ATPL's
RVR.
I've challenged you before on this, where did you get the figure of 14000 fATPLs? from.
fATPL means Frozen ATPL which under current legislation means someone with the exam credits but without 1500 hrs TT including 500 multi crew.
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I've challenged you before on this, where did you get the figure of 14000 fATPLs? from.
fATPL means Frozen ATPL which under current legislation means someone with the exam credits but without 1500 hrs TT including 500 multi crew.
??
We've tried many times here to put figures on 'the competition'.
The CAA seem to have a policy of not making readily available the data they hold that would allow a reliable estimate.
However. I had a bit of a eureka moment a while back - well I was in the shower not the bath but it was a similar situation.
If you assume that nearly all license holders without a flying job fill in the online easyJet application form then that database would be a realisitic reflection of the current 'competition'.
It should be easy to interogate that database for say - all files having less than 500hrs to find out how many people are out there chasing any flying job. There are some questions regards Data Protection but not many.
The answer *is* out there.
Cheers
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The CAA seem to have a policy of not making readily available the data they hold that would allow a reliable estimate.
However. I had a bit of a eureka moment a while back - well I was in the shower not the bath but it was a similar situation.
If you assume that nearly all license holders without a flying job fill in the online easyJet application form then that database would be a realisitic reflection of the current 'competition'.
It should be easy to interogate that database for say - all files having less than 500hrs to find out how many people are out there chasing any flying job. There are some questions regards Data Protection but not many.
The answer *is* out there.
Cheers
WWW
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Keep Positive?
To quote Foghorn
2000 figures (last published):
ATPL(A) 10,475
CPL(A)* 4,823
This adds up to over 14,000
Some dont have current IRS so 14,000
Its a lot - hence why CAA dont publish the percentage
of multi crew as a percentage of the above
It revenue sensitive data
I reckon 50% ?
How many airline pilots in year 2000 were employed
in the year 2000?
7000?
(7,000/14,000)*100=50%
2000 figures (last published):
ATPL(A) 10,475
CPL(A)* 4,823
This adds up to over 14,000
Some dont have current IRS so 14,000
Its a lot - hence why CAA dont publish the percentage
of multi crew as a percentage of the above
It revenue sensitive data
I reckon 50% ?
How many airline pilots in year 2000 were employed
in the year 2000?
7000?
(7,000/14,000)*100=50%
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Unfortunately we should also bear in mind those in the RAF who have remained in and backlogged while there have been few airline jobs: though they are not unemployed they will also be a part of the competition when the time comes around for recruitment. Particularly telling is the number of multi-engine crew who have remained, such that those out of EFT find it harder to follow that route now that it once was.
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It really is a disgrace that, between the CAA and BALPA, it seems to be that no one in these bodies know the status of employed/ unemployed ATPL pilots in the UK.
Is there a cover-up going on here?
Is there a cover-up going on here?
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SQK, it is simpler than that. We are all mere individuals who only will fight / moan or talk about things when it affect us. There is no cover up, just no collective action.
As soon as somebody is in the right seat he or she will forget all wannabee stuff...It's human nature!!
As soon as somebody is in the right seat he or she will forget all wannabee stuff...It's human nature!!
