CTC Wings ATP Scheme (Merged)
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Ignore him, Olof. We keep him around for light amusement and to take our frustrations out on. A bit like a mangy mutt, really. He serves a purpose, but I haven't yet worked out exactly what it is. Haven't got round to banning him; anyway, he's part of the furniture now. Just don't feed him. 
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A 320 you are an absolutely bell end!
You know nothing about the CTC scheme - NOTHING!!
Those who pay to go on the ATP pay a fee of around £6.5 k. For this money they get an MCC and and advanced handling course totaling around 36 hours on an EFIS Jet simulator.
Those who are successful will go on to do a type rating where they will be bonded for the duration of the type rating only.
Pay attention cheese head, because this is the bit you fail to grasp.
Whilst on the type rating a student receives £500 a month in allowances. They then get an attachment for 6 months where they receive at least £1000 a month in allowances ALL FROM CTC.
Do the maths £6.5K - 2X£500 - 6x £1000 = +£500 free type rating, 500 hours and more than likely a JOB.
The system is in the process of changing and benefits the student even more. Pilots are not made redundant just so a CTC (work experience) can take their place.
Now bug*er off this valuable forum for adults.
Sorry Mods - I've had enough of this kn*bber
You know nothing about the CTC scheme - NOTHING!!
Those who pay to go on the ATP pay a fee of around £6.5 k. For this money they get an MCC and and advanced handling course totaling around 36 hours on an EFIS Jet simulator.
Those who are successful will go on to do a type rating where they will be bonded for the duration of the type rating only.
Pay attention cheese head, because this is the bit you fail to grasp.
Whilst on the type rating a student receives £500 a month in allowances. They then get an attachment for 6 months where they receive at least £1000 a month in allowances ALL FROM CTC.
Do the maths £6.5K - 2X£500 - 6x £1000 = +£500 free type rating, 500 hours and more than likely a JOB.
The system is in the process of changing and benefits the student even more. Pilots are not made redundant just so a CTC (work experience) can take their place.
Now bug*er off this valuable forum for adults.
Sorry Mods - I've had enough of this kn*bber
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Originally Posted by scroggs
Unfortunately, the search engine ignores search terms with three letters or less,so 'CTC ATP' will generate no results. Scroggs
Which is particularly unhelpful for a board serving an industry where TLAs are so often used, non? Is there a reason an übermod hasn't sorted it?
Also, and i'm sorry to go off topic, is it possible to search for thread containing one term AND another rather than OR? I'm probably overlooking something but I couldn't work out how to do that.
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Woof, I said don't feed him. 
Chocks, dunno about fixing it. Beyond my admittedly stratospheric Pprune pay scale. As for Boolean searches, try the advanced search tab (click search first; you'll find it). Enter the terms as you suggest; I'm pretty sure it works.
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Chocks, dunno about fixing it. Beyond my admittedly stratospheric Pprune pay scale. As for Boolean searches, try the advanced search tab (click search first; you'll find it). Enter the terms as you suggest; I'm pretty sure it works.
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I have the application form for the ATP scheme,from my understanding it costs around 7000 pounds to do the MCC and Advanced Skills course.
How many stages do i have to go through until i get accepted for the ATP course?what are the stages,any information from someone who has gone through?
How many stages do i have to go through until i get accepted for the ATP course?what are the stages,any information from someone who has gone through?
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Woof
Is the ATP scheme the same as the AQC course.
Reason for asking don't CTC give you half the initial outlay back on successful completion of the course?
Fair enough you are on CTC cadet wages for 6 months, but you still get flight pay.
Friend of mine went through that scheme recently, spent at least a weekend in the hold pool after passing everything, said pilot is now at Monarch.
Having been taken on a full time contract.
Lets start the campaign now, "Don't feed the A320rider"
Reason for asking don't CTC give you half the initial outlay back on successful completion of the course?
Fair enough you are on CTC cadet wages for 6 months, but you still get flight pay.
Friend of mine went through that scheme recently, spent at least a weekend in the hold pool after passing everything, said pilot is now at Monarch.
Having been taken on a full time contract.
Lets start the campaign now, "Don't feed the A320rider"
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sorry scroggs
I'm probably going to annoy scroggs now. I don't mean to but you were quite sarcy!...in your reply up above, the link you provided was for the wings scheme which is not the ATP as the ATP is for folk who are already a bit down the line as far as licenses go. Not sure exaclty how far. Its caused a bit of confusion in the CTC threads already. Sorry, I'm tired and feeling pernicity.
As far as A320 goes I'd like to signup for the don't feed him campaign. Was going to try and explain why but anyone who's read a few of his posts will already know
As far as A320 goes I'd like to signup for the don't feed him campaign. Was going to try and explain why but anyone who's read a few of his posts will already know
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In Belgium we have a saying that goes; "In the world of the blind; the one-eyed guy is king..."
I have to admit that there is some kind of reality in what A320 rider states. A week ago, I got my Flight International and saw the ATP publicity. One big page - orange and with EasyJet logo. I got realy excited and next step, you go to the website and there's nothing about EasyJet - "maybe, maybe, maybe you can get there...bla, bla" Imagine the money they make out of these stage selections? Just make the bill.
Doesn't anybody feel that it might be just a little wrong policy?
You can blame me for being too optimist but I have the feeling that the market is turning around. Imagine paying all that money and meeting some buddies in about a year from now that were begged to join...
I have to admit that there is some kind of reality in what A320 rider states. A week ago, I got my Flight International and saw the ATP publicity. One big page - orange and with EasyJet logo. I got realy excited and next step, you go to the website and there's nothing about EasyJet - "maybe, maybe, maybe you can get there...bla, bla" Imagine the money they make out of these stage selections? Just make the bill.
Doesn't anybody feel that it might be just a little wrong policy?
You can blame me for being too optimist but I have the feeling that the market is turning around. Imagine paying all that money and meeting some buddies in about a year from now that were begged to join...
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Originally Posted by woof
Whilst on the type rating a student receives £500 a month in allowances. They then get an attachment for 6 months where they receive at least £1000 a month in allowances ALL FROM CTC.
Do the maths £6.5K - 2X£500 - 6x £1000 = +£500 free type rating, 500 hours and more than likely a JOB.
The system is in the process of changing and benefits the student even more.
But do you know what happens after those 6 months?
I heard that that the bond is the sort where the airline takes out a loan and then repays that loan with deductions from your salary.
If that is correct then you are in effect still paying for your rating aren't you?
It would still be a better deal than paying up front for your rating without a job garantee, but I am just trying to figure out the total cost of it all.
P.S. wouldn't it be a good idea to make this the standard thread about the ctc wings ATP scheme instead of mixing the wings ATP and the wings cadet scheme in that other tread (it's quite confusing exactly what people are talking about sometimes)
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I heard that that the bond is the sort where the airline takes out a loan and then repays that loan with deductions from your salary.
If that is correct then you are in effect still paying for your rating aren't you?
If that is correct then you are in effect still paying for your rating aren't you?
As for the bond being transferred post 6 months attachment - well I would be surprised about that.
To answer the question about what happens next..... That is an individual thing between the pilot and company. Most get taken on full time, some however do not.
Sorry Scroggs!
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Hey, no problem. If you'd rather have separate threads for the ATP and Wings programmes, that's fine by me. I was under the impression from the first thread that the two had been combined, but if not they can stay separate. I shall retitle the threads when I've done a bit of research.
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Edit - I've merged the thread with an earlier one about CTC ATP - which I found by Googling it!
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Edit - I've merged the thread with an earlier one about CTC ATP - which I found by Googling it!
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From CTC's website:
That suggests to me that the ATP and Wings schemes have been merged, as I thought, and that I was right to lump them together.
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Wings ATP
The licensed pilot route into the CTC Wings programme is designed to assist talented but inexperienced, non jet-rated pilots to advance their careers. The programme gives these pilots an unequalled opportunity to gain a type rating and experience on an advanced commercial jet, as well as a unique chance to promote themselves to a future employer.
The ATP entry route reflects the success of CTC’s longstanding and highly regarded ATP Scheme, which it replaces. Founded in 1994, the Scheme has successfully placed more than 400 pilots in airline careers.
Licensed pilots enter the CTC Wings programme at the intermediate phase of training and are required to pass three stages of selection and CTC’s Airline Qualification Course before joining the Wings programme.
The licensed pilot route into the CTC Wings programme is designed to assist talented but inexperienced, non jet-rated pilots to advance their careers. The programme gives these pilots an unequalled opportunity to gain a type rating and experience on an advanced commercial jet, as well as a unique chance to promote themselves to a future employer.
The ATP entry route reflects the success of CTC’s longstanding and highly regarded ATP Scheme, which it replaces. Founded in 1994, the Scheme has successfully placed more than 400 pilots in airline careers.
Licensed pilots enter the CTC Wings programme at the intermediate phase of training and are required to pass three stages of selection and CTC’s Airline Qualification Course before joining the Wings programme.
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If that is true then it certainly is no bad deal, The airline is sure that they get someone they can use after paying for their type rating, CTC gets some revenue from the student (they pay back most of it in the end) and keep their type rating business running and the student gets a type rating and most likely a (decent) job in exchange for 8 months no pay.
The catch is off course with the bond during training. If you fail to get the rating or mess up during line training, are you required to pay back the costs made? I'm also wondering what the pass rate is, given the rather strict selections.
I would imagine that an airline that pays for your type rating will always bond you for 2 to 3 years, but in this case it would probably be the kind of bond you don't have to repay every month, just the one that stops you from leaving.
Anyone who has gone through the scheme care to enlighten us?
The catch is off course with the bond during training. If you fail to get the rating or mess up during line training, are you required to pay back the costs made? I'm also wondering what the pass rate is, given the rather strict selections.
I would imagine that an airline that pays for your type rating will always bond you for 2 to 3 years, but in this case it would probably be the kind of bond you don't have to repay every month, just the one that stops you from leaving.
Anyone who has gone through the scheme care to enlighten us?
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Originally Posted by scroggs
From CTC's website:
That suggests to me that the ATP and Wings schemes have been merged, as I thought, and that I was right to lump them together.
Scroggs
That suggests to me that the ATP and Wings schemes have been merged, as I thought, and that I was right to lump them together.
Scroggs
Thanks for bringing back the old thread anyway,
saves us learning how to search
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The selection for the Wings and ATP are different as you would expect.
Could any one tell me how long the wait is from sending the application to getting a date for stage 2 on the ATP programme.
Cheers
Could any one tell me how long the wait is from sending the application to getting a date for stage 2 on the ATP programme.
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Originally Posted by scroggs
Woof, I said don't feed him.
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The downside to the ATP scheme is that you could end up walking away empty handed. Not many people like to mention that. Sure, if you make it through, it's a great deal. But what if they kick you out? I've read occasional posts in these forums from people who didn't make it and are, with good reason very miffed. I've met a few of them in person.
7k is a lot of money for an MCC course. The jet handling course is pretty much worthless unless you are able to stump up 20k more for Ryanair. Mention it on your CV or at interview with another airline and it may send the alarm bells ringing. I am kind of interested in the course myself. First I'd like to know what the failure rate is though. I've had dealings with CTC in the past and don't trust them. I don't think that I'm alone. I'll give it a few months of looking for work on the open market and then perhaps I'll give them a shot.
7k is a lot of money for an MCC course. The jet handling course is pretty much worthless unless you are able to stump up 20k more for Ryanair. Mention it on your CV or at interview with another airline and it may send the alarm bells ringing. I am kind of interested in the course myself. First I'd like to know what the failure rate is though. I've had dealings with CTC in the past and don't trust them. I don't think that I'm alone. I'll give it a few months of looking for work on the open market and then perhaps I'll give them a shot.
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A few facts from an application form:
Course cost without accommodation £5,463.75
Course cost with accommodation £6,691.62
80% successful at Phase 1 (Application form)
50% successful at Phase 2 and 3
90% successful at Phae 4 (AQC)
Now given the fact a few of you have stated you have the application form - and are still asking questions - I should ask - are you really reading the material they are providing?
Good Luck to all!
Course cost without accommodation £5,463.75
Course cost with accommodation £6,691.62
80% successful at Phase 1 (Application form)
50% successful at Phase 2 and 3
90% successful at Phae 4 (AQC)
Now given the fact a few of you have stated you have the application form - and are still asking questions - I should ask - are you really reading the material they are providing?
Good Luck to all!
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From what i have read in the application form Stage 2 and 3 consist of some interviews and knowledge tests.I am just interested in knowing more details,what kind of knowledge tests?Anyone who has gone through could provide us with some more info?