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Old 27th Apr 2020, 23:11
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I meant to add earlier that Network Rail are, to the best of my knowledge, looking for signallers at the moment. The role is structured by Grades, numbered 1-9, with 9 being the highest (though these days most boxes are at least a 3 or 4 it seems). It is possible to go in as a Grade 7 or higher off the street if you have the aptitude and life experience. The smaller boxes will get gradually closed and replaced as signalling upgrades are put through, though I reckon there will be semaphores and levers for the next 20 years in some places.

Flying it isn't I'm afraid but it is the sort of job a redundant pilot could apply for off the street and get if they were considering a long-term/permanent move away from aviation, it might be a nice top-up to a pension in the case of early retirement. Training salary is/was only one grade below the grade you'd be in post-qualification, I believe this salary lasts for a year or until qualified, whichever is longer.

The commuter and freight sectors will still be strong I think, there won't be much parking in the big cities and the freight will still need to be moved around. The intercity sector is a bit different because these trains can become commuter trains for part of their journey. For example a 6am out of Euston for Liverpool will pick up a load of Liverpool bound commuters at Crewe at about 7:40-ish. Lots of season ticket holders commute into London from a long way out and even with video conferencing they'll still need to get in. Sadiq Khan wasn't very popular when he cut the tube services and whilst the Train Operating Companies is privatised, almost everything the operators do (including timetable/service changes) has to go through the DfT.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 01:28
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Originally Posted by Chris the Robot
I may be a bit biased though at the end of the day and if I had the choice I'd rather be flying a plane than driving a train, however it is just a job at the end of the day. Nothing more, nothing less.
I'm the opposite. I gave up a career in commercial aviation to drive trains - something I have been doing for 15 years now and will probably retire from doing in another 20 or so.. I have the potential to earn more money than most pilots in Australia who aren't in seat 0A (and even some that are..), but by choice have gone part time to give me 4 weeks off in every 6 weeks, yet I still earn well over $100K AUD. I still get paid to chase the horizon, I still get to listen to the ABC in the wee hours. The big difference between flying and the railway? I still have an RV-9 I can fly for fun when I want, where I want, but talking to a few tech crew over the years who are interested in trains, they can't go work a freight train somewhere to get their kicks.

Originally Posted by PilotLC
True that, but how many train driver jobs are out there waiting for someone with zero railway experience?
There's probably more than you'd think, at least in Australia. You might need to move inter/intrastate to get a gig, but that's no different to flying. I got one of the positions years ago due to a contract expansion and the willingness to move to take up the role.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 04:18
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This thread is getting totally out of control.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 09:58
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The comments about being 'over-qualified' are quite apposite. I hit that problem the day I graduated from university. The company I had worked for in my student vacations turned me down - they said they didn't need people with First Class Honours degrees. British Railways (my father was a senior officer) wouldn't take me either, same reason. Rolls-Royce were less fussy, and I eventually became a senior aircraft engine designer with them. Hey! you may even have flown planes with my engines in - anybody flown with R-R Conways? - I was in the team that designed the Conway, the first by pass engine. I think the rest is history as they say.

This problem of holding above average or specialised qualifications will often bite you. Later on in my career I was made redundant, when the outfit I was in went bust. It took quite a time to find a new employer - they all thought I would not stay long. `sound familiar? One company saw my potential, hired me anyway into a 'created' job, and then moved me rapidly up their engineering management chain, till I was right at the top. They saw potential, not problems.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 12:25
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Yes, BOAC and BA VC10s !
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 16:21
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Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s View Post
This thread is getting totally out of control.

The immediate few posts before that one should have been really useful to many.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 17:18
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There's a couple of flying jobs going with West Yorkshire Police if anybody is in the vicinity.

Unable to link but the details are:

NPAS (fixed wing)

57825-60942 plus 7k Factor payment

Based at Doncaster

4 on 4 off 12 hour shifts.

All details can be found on West Yorkshure Police's jobs website.

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Old 1st May 2020, 15:07
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That's a good one tommybuk, I'm sure many of us would jump at that opportunity!
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Old 1st May 2020, 15:08
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Why on earth is the in the 'wannabes' forum?

I'm pretty sure nearly every one of us is a current pilot posting here. Except for the odd train driver, who we all envy now.
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