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Old 27th Apr 2020, 06:45
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Rudestuff is undoubtedly correct in what he says, the (f)ATPL courses will continue as the majority already well into the process are likely to continue.
Those course members who have yet to start flying might well decide to cut their losses and stop training.

The dilemma facing those about to start is whether to continue if money is no object; the vast majority will undoubtedly think again about being an aviator, or delay sine die.

The ATOs will undoubtedly start to shrink significantly with a semi arid desert by 2021, although any military contracts will probably continue unhindered.
Attractive deals will start to emerge for the brave & the bold.


My heart goes out to all trainees but especially to the MPL customers who training have come to an abrupt stop.
Jumping to the (f)ATPL route is the only option if a professional licence still remains the immediate goal, with the shortfall of the flying training to complete.

The MPL will be the last style of course to eventually restart but only once the green shoots are well established.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 08:37
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You seriously need to avoid embarking on this course right now.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 09:25
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A moderator on this site used to refer to the "Wannabe zombie army". Judging by some posts here, it seems that its march continues unabated even now
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 10:59
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Thanks for all your answers !

But is it possible to have just facts and not empty sentences without arguments like "forget this job" or something like that ?

There are a lot of threads available to create your own way of thinking in this forum ... So if we could only have facts here from CAE or Easy, that would be great !

Thank you for understanding.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 11:03
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I noted on cae the programme is showing as closed.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 11:25
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You're on a forum page, if you want absolute validated facts then I suggest you get in contact with the ATO directly so it comes from the horse's mouth, CAE/Easy do not use these forums to communicate directly.

As said above, the programme is closed for applications, people in the system already are genuinely at risk of job offer suspension/termination, if you want that fact validated, don't take it from me, many of those finishing training have social media and are already starting to show the pressure.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 12:23
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Originally Posted by Dylan Cimmino View Post
Thanks for all your answers !

But is it possible to have just facts and not empty sentences without arguments like "forget this job" or something like that ..........g.
To paraphrase William Pitt the Younger in 1806:

“Roll up the map of Europe as it wouldn’t be needed for 10 years”
or in your case for up to 3 years....
Start training not before 2022 is my best guess

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Old 27th Apr 2020, 12:25
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I didn't say that I wanted an absolutely validated fact, but perhaps someone who is currently in training has more information about the situation inside the school. And I am sure that the information he will give us will be much better than "Forget this job", "avoid an integrated", "do not waste your money" etc ... We can read these things anywhere on the forum. This is why I try to refocus this thread on the information we want. I think "we" just want to talk about CAE and EZY here. That's all.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 13:55
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Originally Posted by Dylan Cimmino View Post
. This is why I try to refocus this thread on the information we want. I think "we" just want to talk about CAE and EZY here. That's all.
You seem to not fully appreciate that a Tsunami of gigantic magnitude has hit the aviation machine.
There is not a lot to talk about.....it is in ICU on life support and will be for sometime.
Transfer to High Dependancy 2021.
Back on a Ward 2022/23.
Convalescence 2024/25.

Start talking aviation after 2021. Go into higher education ~ become fluent level 6 in English until at least then.


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Old 27th Apr 2020, 14:49
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Thanks for the good advice, but I actually got a master and I'm a physical education instructor in high school, so, I got my plan B

I understand there is a big tsunami, we only can heard things about this on every thread in this forum. If I want things about the covid-19, I'll read on the topics who's refer to it. But, I passed the stage 2, and I just want to know what will be happen for all who's wait a stage 3...

Once again, I read many things in this forum, also about this crisis but this not the topic...
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 16:05
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Anybody who is considering opening money on Flight training of any type right now .........crazy.

I have some skin in the game in the orange machine .

If you'd like to wire the money to my account I will call you every day and tell you how wonderful you are , you will be getting much more than if you throw money at flight training for the foreseeable,
There are likely to be 1000's of qualified type and line experienced pilots floating around the world for years now . Flybe ,TCX,Monarch just the ones that have already gone and left many pilots no longer flying .

Massive furloughs and redundancies possible from BA/EZY/VS in fact everyone, even the solvent carriers = 1000's ahead of you when/if hiring ever restarts in the next 5 years.

The golden years have gone where you could remortgage mum and dads house and have an EZY command in 6 years at the age of 25. Gone for good.

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Old 27th Apr 2020, 16:59
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I second what NF has said above. Even allowing for a significant number of the soon-to-be unemployed pilots walking away from the industry forever, it's hard to see a way into the industry for a newbie for a very long time to come.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 20:11
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Originally Posted by Dylan Cimmino View Post
Perhaps someone who is currently in training has more information about the situation inside the school.
I urge you, used Linkedin, social media. There you will get a better idea and will be able to easily contact people and see the sceanrio.
But do you really think it's easy for these affected individuals to immediately talk, this is very raw for a lot of people, devastated over what probably is a life dream, people who are facing large training bills and no job for the foreseeable future, others potentially facing some form of redundancy, maybe even some form of bankruptcy or credit agreements as the loans need repaying. This isn't hype, this is the reality of when an industry is in freefall, and for a lot of people, they will not want to talk right this minute, they want advice too, this is absolutely life changing.

On here, search on the terms and endearment forum for Non TR EasyJet Recruitment, there you will see posts from 'Larki' who's son on EasyJet MPL has had his contract terminated as a result of Covid 19 by EasyJet during the Type Rating phase, it's not a nice thing to read and my thoughts are with those people facing this stark reality.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 09:05
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Says it all

https://www.eurocockpit.be/news/covi...7f8ee-56731165
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 11:46
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Originally Posted by Dylan Cimmino View Post
.......ßßCAE ~ EZYßß

.........But, I passed the stage 2, and I just want to know what will be happen for all who's wait a stage 3......
Don't be surprised if you hear nothing at all........you know the answer, unfortunately......

NIL FURTHER~ the ECA link is conclusive evidence


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Old 28th Apr 2020, 17:40
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In the same boat as many of you. I was supposed to begin training on the easyjet MPL on 14th of April, but was told at the end of March that obviously this would be 'postponed' and a new start date would be confirmed in the next 'few weeks'. I'm not hopeful to be honest, when you step back and look at the wider situation you really do have to be realistic.

All has gone quiet since then, and CAE are extremely slow at responding to emails, as you'd expect at the minute (especially when you are asking the tricky questions). It's just a matter of waiting for now, at least until there are some firm plans for Europe starting to get back onto it's feet. Beyond that point will have its own challenges, so it's by no means a given that even if the course goes ahead that it wouldn't get pulled at some point during training - that is what worries me the most if I'm honest. CAE and easyJet will need to be very upfront with the terms and conditions surrounding this, because there is no way I'll be signing up to something that has a high chance of being pulled.

I agree with a few of the other comments above, we all know that everyone loves to voice their opinion on the industry, but just spouting constant 'negative spam' is counterproductive. No one is asking for sunshine and rainbows, but FACTS regarding CAE and/or easyJet is what this thread is about. For the good of everyone who is trying to use this thread for sharing information on this topic, we should keep it to just that. Finding good info is difficult at the best of times, but with all the extra 'crap' it's even more of a needle in a haystack than it needs to be.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 19:00
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Mate I gave you all the facts you need.

maybe you want to ignore the data and overwhelming evidence, not good.

for the avoidance of doubt

1. I have some skin in the orange machine.
2. Do not, do not. give any money to anyone for pilot training for the foreseeable,
im talking 2 - 3 years.
3. I can easily foresee 20% redundancies across the industry, see BA announcement this evening.

if after all this you still want to waste your money, my offer to call
you every day and stroke your ego stands . Just wire me the cash and we can talk.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 20:03
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Just another 2c from the industry..

If you are thinking about starting flying training at any point in the next 2-3 years then donít. If you are in groundschool I would highly recommend taking the £5k hit and leaving. This industry is about to be decimated. There will be mass redundancies meaning a flooded job market. I have flown with many Captains who graduated flight school in 2008 and then spent 2 years searching for an initial job.

This situation is much, much worse. In 2008 the banks pissed a lot of money away and the economy got hit fairly hard. But life went on, people still went to work and it recovered. This is on a different scale. If, and when restrictions are (slowly) lifted, the absolute last thing to go will be international air travel. And even if thatís allowed it could be very well followed with 2 weeks quarantine for any foreigners landing. Thatís the end of the holiday market. Cadets could be facing waits of several years for the job market to recover. Do not indebt yourself and your family for this, it is not worth it. No one has any idea what is going to happen past next week, there is no exit plan, there could be a second wave. Life may not return to normal ever again.

There was some Ryanair FO on instagram talking about how it could be a good time to start training as in 18 months they will be hiring again. Do not listen to people like this. Most insta-pilots are responsible for 95% of the material online and they make up a tiny percentage of the workforce and they are not seen favourably from within.

Also itís a pretty safe bet to ignore anything L3 or CAE tell you, they will lie to your face in order to get you to sign the line and pay them 6-figures. The sales reps work on commission and will say anything for their cut. Asking CAE if you should start training is like asking turkeys to vote for Christmas...

The whole airline industry pretty much relies on the publicís disposable income, in any recession holidays and travel are one of the first things to go.
You are all in fortuitous positions not being in the industry. For the time being, keep it that way.

Also so donít think (as I did) that being an MPL will offer you any form of protection, the latest MPL course who joined the company earlier this year have had their contracts terminated and told to PFO.

Think about it.

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Old 28th Apr 2020, 20:29
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Icelandair just shed 2000 jobs .... i guess this is the start...

donít waste all that money guys its a lot !
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 23:27
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Originally Posted by PilotMatt2020 View Post

I agree with a few of the other comments above, we all know that everyone loves to voice their opinion on the industry, but just spouting constant 'negative spam' is counterproductive. No one is asking for sunshine and rainbows, but FACTS regarding CAE and/or easyJet is what this thread is about. For the good of everyone who is trying to use this thread for sharing information on this topic, we should keep it to just that. Finding good info is difficult at the best of times, but with all the extra 'crap' it's even more of a needle in a haystack than it needs to be.
I feel for you. It's the worst situation that has ever occurred in Airline history. There are literally thousands of Pilots now, worldwide, out of work. Many experienced Pilots don't know how they'll feed their Children in the coming years and I do mean that literally. The good info which you're looking for doesn't exist. I'm extremely sorry for that. I'm sorry for all of my colleagues who are fearful right now.

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