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easyJet MPL CAE June 2019

Old 14th Mar 2020, 22:27
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Agreed, Joe.

And Dobby - how do you feel about Covid now?

In the UK we’ve lost Monarch, Thomas & Flybe. There are thousands of native UK pilots looking for a way to pay that mortgage. We’ve pulled through nothing yet.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 22:37
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Yeah but we are speaking from our high horse and they will need Dobbies cae MPL so badly in two years time. * sarcasme off*

dont waste 120 k you might need it to survive maybe one of the deepest recessions ever !!

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Old 15th Mar 2020, 00:48
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thanks for turning me into a lol cow. i'm doing fine mate, i have a back up skill & experience in two different recession-proof industries. sue me for trying to stay hopeful through this mess. thanks for saving the day PPRuNe, i was literally about to transfer 120K out of my account into CAE, until i got these posts in my inbox
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 11:52
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People are giving you their informed opinion and all you can do is reject it with every response.

As someone said above, it seems nothing can dissuade an aspiring pilot.

You need to take stock and realise that besides people’s opinions on just how poor an MPL is in “good” times, it’s a complete crap shoot in the “bad”.

It seems we’re on the precipice of entering the worst times for a while; with so many qualified yet unemployed pilots in the markets, I can’t see any sense in contemplating starting training now.

Also, easyJet being committed to training 200 a year? Like the above poster said, force majeure will see to that.

You have a recession proof backup? Good! Stick to that and get your PPL if you’re desperate for “a mile of runway to take you anywhere”
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 13:31
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What's the good alternative in the good times?
A modular ATPL with the chance of an interview at the end of it or something else?
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 14:02
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While I appreciate the concern, clearly most people on this thread are here to take the piss. If I wanted to be roasted, I'd rather go to my local comedy club's open mic night. Will any of you put your money where your mouth is by shorting the stocks of all the airlines about to go under?
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 14:05
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Will I look to profit from colleagues losing their jobs and potentially not be able to pay their mortgage?!

Cannot wait to have you in the industry 🤥
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 14:07
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Those who will survive will have a massive pool of experienced pilots when ... i say when they start hiring... and probably some outstanding mpl easy mpl cadets ..

are you even aware that even easy could go bust if this goes on ?
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 14:32
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Nothing unethical about shorting a stock, you're not screwing anyone over unless you're manipulating the price.

Easy could go bankrupt, so could the golden lady with a harp. And we'll all be thankful for your gate keeping services, keeping the MPLs out. I can just see the special commemorative liveries with quotes from PPRuNe 😂
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 17:52
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i don’t think people are taking the piss, they’re passing on their experience of the sector. Also, as clever as your comparison is.. easy, ryanair and many large players could well be wiped off the face of the earth. Time is not a luxury for them, the longer this goes on. Ryanair are even rostering unpaid leave I think...
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 18:29
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Ryanair has already put people on unpaid leave, no question about it. Lots of people are looking at 2-6 month furloughs (depending on how long restrictions drag on). I am just not keen on getting back-handed, unsolicited advice from strangers who have no idea about my personal circumstances, or what I even plan to do! Am I going to be on a course by the end of 2020? 99.9%, no, unless a miracle recovery takes place.

I held a non-aviation job offer before this whole outbreak began (which I turned down at the time) and I'm just holding onto some hope that we'll see a recovery in the latter half of this year. I just saw no need for some of the rudeness on this thread.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 20:07
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LCCs good to have them around and no doubt easyJet are likely to come through this strong unlike the likes of Norwegian Air. So easyJet should survive no? Making a good 12k profit on every cadet that joins them through TR costs?? Surely they have an edge

Anyway, I hope to god that everyone keeps their jobs and unpaid leave temporarily is the worst...
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 06:20
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 09:11
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How long would it take and how much would it cost to convert to a standard frozen ATPL.

I've always thought that the MPL was going to be a bad thing for pilots, but I didn't think it would get this bad...
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 11:12
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The chickens have come home to roost, let's hope the guys affected can get sorted but as for the MPL crusaders and thieving flight school management teams of these large corporations masquerading as flight schools, well I hope this is the beginning of the end for them.

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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 12:44
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I really wish it was the end but with glossy marketing budgets and morally onerous airlines to get into bed with these ATOS will always have a demand for their brand of snake oil.

There will always be a naive child and disinterested parents who will barely scrutinise the 6 figure expenditure that these ATO’s demand.

The idea of an MPL isn’t a bad one but the way it has been executed only benefits the ATO, Airlines and CAA not the individual who needs to spend the 100k+ and actually receives the ‘licence’.

As far as I’m concerned this highlights that properly structured modular training is far far superior to an integrated course in almost every way.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 14:21
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Wasn't the MPL supposed to be cheaper and faster than traditional training? How did it become more expensive and sometimes longer?
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 15:29
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MPL only benefits the airline and ATO.

Cheaper for them to mass produce pilots through a sausage factory. Faster if they need the pilots in the seats.

More expensive? Look who's making the money.
Sometimes longer? Look who needs the pilots.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 17:13
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It is extremely unfortunate for those who had to self fund their training and then unable to complete with no MPL licence issue, notwithstanding that no jobs existed for the newly qualified pilot.
Declaring yourself bankrupt is one option I have heard of through a third party.

Only Aer Lingus cadets were fully funded by the airline, with a job provided the training was satisfactory.

Any future thought of offering this style of training will need careful safeguards as memories will be long.
There will however always be punters who will take the risk.....

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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 22:33
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Pilot is the only job that I know of that people want so much they are ready to pay 150k with no serious guarantee of a job. Despite that, the salary is still quite good after a few years.
Can you imagine what the salary would look like if the job did not carry any part of dream ?

It would at least be a positive salary.
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