Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Wannabes Forums > Interviews, jobs & sponsorship
Reload this Page >

737 command or long haul FO

Interviews, jobs & sponsorship The forum where interviews, job offers and selection criteria can be discussed and exchanged.

737 command or long haul FO

Old 20th Jun 2019, 19:16
  #21 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Amantido
Posts: 941
Originally Posted by BoeingLudo737 View Post
You should leave if you are not happy, I am sure nobody forced you to join Ryanair.
That's what I meant by 'fanboy'. You're a pain in the arse to deal with and you are being just childish. You've done the same in the Italian forum.
Banana Joe is online now  
Old 20th Jun 2019, 20:31
  #22 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Elsewhere
Posts: 98
Originally Posted by Raph737 View Post


You are a bit of a fanboy arenít you? I am leaving, was fortunate enough to get to move to a proper airline very soon! My notice was given and really looking forward to be away from either young , know it all, blind eyed FOís who think that THIS should be the standard in aviation. Most importantly, captains who absolutely hate the company, its colleagues and had enough of flying. Being on the right hand seat getting abused by people who refused to admit they should have done more to improve their work life, like this chap at 24 is contemplating.
There are CRM issues, there is very little regards towards the cabin crew who are treated appallingly. There is no support or guidance for base transfers and most of the time you're left to your own devices. They offer you nothing where there are plenty of places who at the very least will provide the very basic to do your job...
By all means bring your staplers, food, water, pay for your IDís, car park, thatís your thing..
Youíll get to see all of those amazing places you travel too for 25mins, and on your days off youíre too tired to do real travelling, as it has been mentioned. Even the staff travel perks, blue tickets you have to pay to select seats...
Sorry excuse of an airline if you want my opinion. But each one to their own. If I was 24 and had those hours, Iíd be trying Virgin, 4 days in the beach with a great bunch of people or four sector day with a miserable cheese? No brainer.
I can't really talk about the company itself, coz I'm not working there, but I would like to add another point to your thought: 400 Euros for the assessment, without even providing a coffe !
I don't want to go further !
Pinuz89 is online now  
Old 20th Jun 2019, 20:54
  #23 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 30
Originally Posted by Pinuz89 View Post
I can't really talk about the company itself, coz I'm not working there, but I would like to add another point to your thought: 400 Euros for the assessment, without even providing a coffe !
I don't want to go further !
whats a good alternative then to RYR? Where should someone apply with less than 300 hours TT?
You may pay 400 for the assessment but at least its done fast compared to other companies where it takes months and you can fail and all that was for nothing. Im genuinely interested who else has a scheme like ryr and/or better?
paul_v1 is offline  
Old 20th Jun 2019, 21:06
  #24 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Elsewhere
Posts: 98
Originally Posted by paul_v1 View Post
whats a good alternative then to RYR? Where should someone apply with less than 300 hours TT?
You may pay 400 for the assessment but at least its done fast compared to other companies where it takes months and you can fail and all that was for nothing. Im genuinely interested who else has a scheme like ryr and/or better?
For this reason I went there too.
But it's not really the manner to treat potential employees.
And this is the beginning.
But, I repeat, I was there as well, for trying to get a job.
Pinuz89 is online now  
Old 20th Jun 2019, 21:11
  #25 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Elsewhere
Posts: 98
I mean, I'm not dissing guys having a job with RYR or having tried to.
My thought is against the policy
Pinuz89 is online now  
Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:10
  #26 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: World
Posts: 108
Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
That's what I meant by 'fanboy'. You're a pain in the arse to deal with and you are being just childish. You've done the same in the Italian forum.
Ma finiscila dai, stai sempre a scrivere qua, non hai nient'altro da fare Marco?
BoeingLudo737 is offline  
Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:15
  #27 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Amantido
Posts: 941
First of all, you're on the English section so have the good sense of at least writing in English. How I spend my time when off duty is none of your business, and I don't act like a child giving a tantrum when somebody doesn't entirely think Ryanair is god's gift to aviation.
Banana Joe is online now  
Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:20
  #28 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: World
Posts: 108
What are you talking about? You live in a bubble Marco
BoeingLudo737 is offline  
Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:22
  #29 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Amantido
Posts: 941
I guess I'm sharing the same bubble with a few other guys then
Banana Joe is online now  
Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:27
  #30 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: World
Posts: 108
Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
I guess I'm sharing the same bubble with a few other guys then
I'll leave you in your bubble then. Good luck with your amazing job, you might be a captain in 20 years, I will be retired by then :-)
BoeingLudo737 is offline  
Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:39
  #31 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Amantido
Posts: 941
I guess you gave the OP enough food for thought with your last statement then

Next time if you want to have a pissing contest, reach out by PM. Always open to a chat.
Banana Joe is online now  
Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:08
  #32 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: London
Posts: 20
Originally Posted by BoeingLudo737 View Post
I'll leave you in your bubble then. Good luck with your amazing job, you might be a captain in 20 years, I will be retired by then :-)
You are absolutely ridiculous! Delusions of grandeur much? In 20 years youíll be secretly getting therapy, much needed.
You are exactly the type of guy we need a deep sigh of encouragement in order to get through the day, when we see your name in the briefing sheet. See yourself out buddy!
Raph737 is online now  
Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:53
  #33 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 254
Originally Posted by scenicflyer View Post
Hi all,

I am 24 now and could go for command in Ryanair in about 18 months' time. I have hardly travelled or seen much of the world and kind of feel like I am missing out on life and the experience long haul pilots seem to get; the "catch me if you can" lifestyle, if you will.

On the other hand, trying to get command in a company I know well seems like a safer, more prudent choice. Good money, stability and valuable hours are on the table.

I realise this subject has been approached here a few times but the situation is different for everyone and it would be helpful, I think, to see some arguments for and against - my mind seems to have exhausted all pros and cons.

Thank you.
This is just my opinon, I think long haul would get boring quite fast. In your current company you are home every night in your own bed, that's a big plus in my eyes and wouldn't like to live out of hotel rooms when away for work.

I knew someone who captained for a national carrier on 777 and 747 and did his last 10 years in Ryanair and told me the best and most enjoyable flying he did was at Ryanair and said the experience is second to none on what you learn.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side, i'm sure you have it quite good where you are now and maybe you will only really appreciate how good you have it if you leave for a different airline.

Whatever you decide to do i'm sure will be the right choice for you and wish you the best of luck on whichever path you go down
Negan is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2019, 10:49
  #34 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: UK
Posts: 9
Thank you all, I have plenty of food for thought now.
scenicflyer is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2019, 21:19
  #35 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Europe
Posts: 281
Originally Posted by SaulGoodman View Post
Go for the best employer in a location that you want to be. You are only 24. You can grow fat in the left seat for years to come.

Somehow I doubt RYR is the best employer. If it was, you would not get your command as rapidly.

I have some friends who forked out the TQ and went for Ryanair. Got abused for years on end and were send from base to base. They either got command fast or went to Emirates and are now in their command training. The ones who went for command in Ryanair either went to China or went to certain European locos without collective labour agreements. By far most of them are complaining.

I went for a company with a long seniority list, CLA, pension scheme, part time option, union. Obviously it is not all rainbows and unicorns over here, and I do not get paid as much as most of them yet. And I am still sitting in the right hand seat for some 5 more years. But at least I can live where I (or actually my wife) wants to live. I can mostly organize my personal life. My kids grow up in Western Europe.

Again, you are only 24. Try to get into a respected carrier. Choose long term.















Well. I am a RYR skipper as well. However, worked for many airlines before, some of them great(and dead now), some other not so much. Far from being 24. In the old days we used to fly a 23 year old FO was something mentionable.Then it moved to 21 and they where considered kids, then 19.... Now we are in the age of kid captains, well, as long as the insurers join the game it seems to be smooth for the airlines. Saves a lot of money. My 10 cents about NG flying.

RYR is in fact, for SOME of us, the BEST option that not many other airlines, even most of the european "legacies", just cannot beat. What do I mean? I joined with a particular base in mind(and if the close it/transfer me I am out of here), only wanted a DEC job with an employment contract(no agency BS). Got both. Happy. Always see my kids, wife, every day. Sleep in my bed nearly every day(exception the sim if it is a 2 session gig). After 25 years of NOT having that - fantastic. Have done this longhaul, widebody skipper crap, not worth it(IMHO, of course, as always). Same short range jobs with "established" carriers, meaning you start day 1 at your homebase(or deadhead), fly, hotel, fly again, hotel, fly, usually another hotel, fly, home. Normally not more then 2 days off and it starts over again.
Prefer to do that for 5 days in a row, hopefully with at least 1 Stby, 4 OFF. REALLY? That is bad in your eyes?
IF you manage(and you did your homework before) to ask for the right country you end up with a decent salary in RYR. I got my country, base. Happy. Simple as that.

You live with that what they throw at you, say nicely yes, tick your box at crewdock and go on with your nice life.

Do you seriously think life in EK or in China(Xiamen is the place where most RYR guys went off to, check how many are really happy over there) is better? In Europe you can always call a lawyer, unions(lol), a court to try to fight for your rights. Try that with the Middle East or China(or India, Korea, even in Japan it is a hell of a job to organize that for, lets say, an European).

There is this boy, 24, soon having a chance to get an upgrade on one of the most used single aisle aircraft in this horrible world. Of course you go for it. And get some bloody command experience, at LEAST 2000 hours. If you add a few k more you may even get a direct entry command on a widebody. After all it does not make really a difference how big the plane is after the cockpit if you know what you are doing. And again, I used to be a widebody skipper.

Now - RYR has unions (what they are worth it, but this counts as well for any other european airline), CLA, some seniority lists implemented so they cannot ship you off your base/country if you have been around for a while(and a while in RYR is not really that long). Means after a few years you are fine. Why the hell would you change that? I know some (irish) guys went to "Shamrock" for instance, others to HOP(because this is the only way into AF it seems for french, no idea), others for Dolomiti(LH, same as AF)). But this means, IF you are a captain, back to square 1. And for what exactly? For some feeder airline with no realistic chance to join the mainline? Same goes for Shamrock.
If you plan to do so it would be wise to do that really young(because any older does not make really any financial sense) - still - you have worse rosters and equal pay at best. AND a really long cue ahead of you for upgrading. Cool advice. Leave the winning team(and let's be honest, if we like it or not, RYR IS the winning team as long as the European Union is not doing something against their working practice - they did never till now, see Italy for instance. Put their tail between their rear legs and ran whimping off till now) and join average airlines with no real remarkable perks.

We need to stay realistic here.

Just for the fun of it - let's "explore" the other option - going longhaul as a 24 year old FO. I could not really find a hint if it would be the ME(most likely) or some classic carrier here in Europe(3 sorts then, classic Mainline, meaning you are close to 40 till command, or classic charter, usually all of them having some sort of "mafia" style upgrade policy wih no real seniority, upgrades usually always just a promise but you do not know when that ever happens, especially it really depends on fleet growth OR loco Longhaul, lets say a 787(^^) - only one of them around, and we all know how they are doing at the moment).
We have seen how many airlines folded over the last 18 months here in Europe, some are still fighting to get up on their feet again.

EK/QR - they do with you what they want. You always thought RYR is threating you like you are their bitch? Try the ME and get some first hand impressions about proper labour laws. Again - have been there, know what I am talking about.

Or there are some cargo operators, 777(german speaking required) or 747(horrible chain rosters with not enough pilots). OR you can have a 5/4.

I am not a "fan" of RYR, but I only would leave them on my terms and not on others. And to be blunt honest, not so many good airlines are remaining on this planet that I would know which of them would be really worth the hassle of another change. Most of them are bad as well, and just for the nicer threatment I just do not change company anymore.
tomuchwork is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2019, 22:07
  #36 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sky
Posts: 444
One of the best replies here on PPRuNe. As of myself, in the same boat as the topic starter but with another loco on the 737, rosters (6 on 1 off 4-5 on and then 2/3 off) in the summer and a 787 offer from the ME, I am also weighing my options as my command is coming up. Really hard decisions to make.
captain.weird is offline  
Old 3rd Jul 2019, 22:24
  #37 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: ireland
Age: 33
Posts: 4
brilliant reply!!!
alvocaviat is offline  
Old 4th Jul 2019, 06:59
  #38 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Up there
Posts: 42
Describes it perfect.
Pretty new FO here (~900h), got a base 2,5h by car from my home (closest possible base for me), nice people there, 5/4 roster, no layovers, no night flying, and hours on 737 - can't really beat that.
Have to bring your own water and food? OMG...how am I gonna live with that. I have nothing against bringing my own food as I can decide what to bring with me this way. Water/Coffee...fine, would be nice if it was free.
Pay for the hotel during the RSTs? Yep, company should pay that - and in a strange way they kind of do it, just like renewing the IDs, and uniform. Check the parts of your payslip guys...

It's always easy to complain, but please also have a look around: Many airlines went into bankruptcy the last few years. Ryanair ist growing & we're having a safe job - and isn't that important too?

Not saying everything is perfect here, and there are in fact things Ryr should change - but many people here just exaggerate a tiny little bit.
flyfan is online now  
Old 4th Jul 2019, 07:39
  #39 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Home
Posts: 41
There is getting a command, and then getting a Ryanair command. One they give away, the other they don't. Best of luck!!
richardthethird is online now  
Old 4th Jul 2019, 09:15
  #40 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: UK
Posts: 9
richardthethird that's a load of BS, the training in Ryr is second to none and I've flown with older guys who had command at BA, Emirates, Qatar, etc and they are no better (in some cases actually worse IMHO) than the young Ryanair-produced captains.
scenicflyer is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.