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Old 10th Apr 2017, 11:20
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TUI fly MPL Flight College

https://corporate.tui.be/en/jobs/cab...t-crew/1818829
Overall cost 30,000 euros.
French, Dutch and English "basic knowledge".
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Old 10th Apr 2017, 14:07
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This is great, unfortunately despite a GCSE in French I have no clue of Dutch so I guess that rules me out.

Hopefully if this scheme works wonders (which I'm sure it will) we may hopefully see it rolled out with TUI UK in the future!
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 16:21
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It's a great opportunity for anyone who want to become a pilot ! Best of luck for the one that will try.
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 16:33
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If anyone knows what 'basic knowledge' means, please tell us. Does 'ground office function' mean you work for them during the training? That would explain the 3-year period, unless it already includes the line training duration...

That price is top-notch, good luck to applicants !
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 17:43
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What an amazing program!

earning 50 000€ gross salary, divided over the course of three year! Only working 8-9 months during the year, having winter's off without pay! An MPL license to tie you to TUI!

It's a way to the cockpit, don't get me wrong ... but you are paying for it and TUI is making/saving money on it!

There is a reason they have reasonably high crew attrition rates! **** Belgian taxes!
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 18:51
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Yes, this is definitely the best way to train pilots. Plus having an experience in operations or engineering for example, at an airline is definitely something interesting for a future pilot.
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 18:53
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I'd actually recommend getting some airline experience, over studying towards some bogus degree such as those provided by CTC..
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 22:24
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Did you even read what I wrote?

It's not the best way to train, that's debatable.

You are not financially better off than a normal course, as long as you're willing to wait around and apply your tits off until you find a job.

50 000 gross (in Belgium!!) over 3 years, working only 8-9 months a year, is a deal financially.

The good thing is the guaranteed job and (hopefully, but unlikely as they're mostly short on E-jet crew) a 737 TR/hrs.
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 22:44
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It's not the best salary for sure, but you'll have a salary while studying for your MPL and won't end up with a 120K GBP debt. What I'm saying is that you'll be able to live with 50K over 3 years and end up with at most 30K in debt. Instead of having to pay to live during the training and borrow 100 000 pounds...
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 11:04
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A created a facebook group for the guys who are interested in joining the scheme. Feel free to join it: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1510278648996483/
Clementijn did you get news btw ?
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 16:18
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Originally Posted by Clementijn View Post
Wether it is not the best way to train or not is debatable. If you train via CPL/IR and jave a frozen ATPL, you have a bit more exoerience flying one engine aircraft, while MPL training gives the trainee more experience via the simulator in the airplane you're gonne fly after you obtain your licence. And after you obtained 1500 flight hours and have unfrozen your ATPL, it doesn't matter if you did it via MPL or CPL/IR. If you follow integrated course CPL/IR or MPL, either way you're inexperienced when you start flying, as was every pilot once.

Financially, this is for me the best scheme available. I will be able to live with family at Zaventem, so my whole salary is going to pay of my 30K student debt. After training, I have guaranteed employment at TUI for 24 months (spread over 36), in which it is most likely I will obtain 1500 flight hours and unfreeze my ATPL.

MPL-way = unfrozen ATPL and no debt at all

CPL/IR-way = frozen ATPL and +100 000€ in debt, because neither my parents or I can pay for it.
I won't enter the MPL/FATPL debate - Because even airlines don't know which is best. If it was absolutely perfect, everybody would do it. So far, airlines ONLY do it because it's cheaper. That said, it's different for sure, and I'm interested to see how it develops in the future!

Just FYI, I did not even spend 100 000€ (including my TR). You're being ripped off.

I made close to 50 000€ gross per year just with my uni degree at age 25. It's really not that special. 50 000€ gross spread out over 3 years is absolutely disgusting.

Don't get me wrong - you take what you can get in this industry - but ffs, stop jerking off TUI or the MPL scheme just because it's what you signed up for

Edit - Also, why the f are you comparing the MPL license after unfreezing the APTL (so basically 3 years in, at best because you still need to pass the test etc) to the CPL/fATPL path, right out of training? Anyway, have fun living on 1400€ a month after taxes for three years. It's beyond stupid, even as an 18 year old kid living with his parents.

Good luck to everybody interested.

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Old 13th Apr 2017, 20:23
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Does anyone know what they mean by "basic knowledge"...?
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 21:28
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I guess it's equivalent to the A2 (maybe B1) Common European Framework level. You should be able to have a basic conversation:

-Can understand sentences and frequently used expressions related to areas of most immediate relevance (e.g. very basic personal and family information, shopping, local geography, employment).
-Can communicate in simple and routine tasks requiring a simple and direct exchange of information on familiar and routine matters.
-Can describe in simple terms aspects of their background, immediate environment and matters in areas of immediate need.

Imagine you're a Belgian Dutch speaking passenger and talk to the pilot of a Belgian airline who doesn't speak dutch at all, that wouldn't give a good impression of the airline...
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 21:55
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Originally Posted by AA757 View Post
I guess it's equivalent to the A2 (maybe B1) Common European Framework level. You should be able to have a basic conversation.
What you describe is probably not A2, but somewhat higher. Anyway, since they state "Language (basic knowledge): English - Dutch – French", and you absolutely need to pass the ICAO level 4 test, which is probably closer to B2, I really doubt it's actually "basic"...
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 22:21
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Well it's written basic, so I'm giving the description of what basic level is. I'm referring to facts, not what I doubt or don't doubt about.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 22:21
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I think they mean Level A1 ..atleast that is what my Dutch colleagues are telling me. However for competency reasons I would expect a much higher level is intended here.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 22:41
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I also assume you do not have to be a Belgium citizen to apply??? Otherwise they would have specified perhaps
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 22:43
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Originally Posted by AA757 View Post
Well it's written basic, so I'm giving the description of what basic level is. I'm referring to facts, not what I doubt or don't doubt about.
Yeah, it's also written basic English, and ICAO 4 is not basic as in the description you provided. That's a fact, no matter how they call it or how haughty you decide to act. I just expressed my concern over that. Hope Efato75 is right.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 23:49
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Originally Posted by Maverick97 View Post
This is great, unfortunately despite a GCSE in French I have no clue of Dutch so I guess that rules me out.

Hopefully if this scheme works wonders (which I'm sure it will) we may hopefully see it rolled out with TUI UK in the future!

I doubt you will be required to provide proof that you can speak the languages .I stand to be corrected .
As long as you are versed to the acceptable level and can pass the language tests if any then you stand a good chance.
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Old 18th Apr 2017, 08:21
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Got a rejection email last night, they said my CV showed a lot of qualities but my profile was not suitable.

UK citizen, LAPL, 64 hours, BSc degree, 6 years experience as a web dev, mother english, basic dutch and french.

Asked for more clarity on why my profile "was not suitable" but doubt I'll get anything more.
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