Let's stand up AGAINST P2F. Sign the petition.
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The above is very easy to say when you are in a job and have had a chance, try it from the other side of the fence the view will end up being very different
I would rather not fill another
pockets with my hard earned cash for a chance of a job - but again you only have one life and do what you can - with the means you have to give yourself the advantage. But I do question where the advantage is! LOL
Many go to OAA/CTC Intergrated and pay inflated prices - this secures them opportunities.. Others that have trained on the Modular at the same schools - do not get a look in......
Many say - aviation does not owe you anything... which is very true - infact nothing does. Either it is mean't to be or it isn't. In the same case - no one owes anything to aviation either.
Many get into this position of paying because of desperation or lack of insight or daddy is paying .....
I would rather not fill another
pockets with my hard earned cash for a chance of a job - but again you only have one life and do what you can - with the means you have to give yourself the advantage. But I do question where the advantage is! LOLMany go to OAA/CTC Intergrated and pay inflated prices - this secures them opportunities.. Others that have trained on the Modular at the same schools - do not get a look in......
Many say - aviation does not owe you anything... which is very true - infact nothing does. Either it is mean't to be or it isn't. In the same case - no one owes anything to aviation either.
Many get into this position of paying because of desperation or lack of insight or daddy is paying .....
P2F is not going away anytime soon. Just have a look at some of the posts on here. Some of the questions asked look like they have been written by children Using text speak to ask who to send £50k to in order to fly a 737.
Sooner or later this will start to affect captains and their bottom line and then we may see the unions wake up. Until then, it is dog eat dog for low houred guys and those with the hours just don't care.
Once people start paying £500,000 for a 0 to captain course (and they will queue up to pay it) we may see a change.
Sooner or later this will start to affect captains and their bottom line and then we may see the unions wake up. Until then, it is dog eat dog for low houred guys and those with the hours just don't care.
Once people start paying £500,000 for a 0 to captain course (and they will queue up to pay it) we may see a change.
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Flying Lemmings?
Having read the P40's thread, I commend his petition against P2F. But this issue isn't going to be won or lost by petitions. Frankly, as long as would-be pilots are prepared to sign these one-sided and damaging contracts, the problem will continue to get worse.
Please don't think that I'm either unsympathetic, or smugly wishing just to keep my cosy left seat without being bothered by newbie whippersnappers. Far from it. I'll be retired before long but I can keenly remember the hunt for my first job. Even back then, second-rate airlines were offering "buy your type-rating/job" schemes/scams. I didn't do it, tempting though it was. Today's wannabes are the future of our industry. But what future? P2F employers offer amongst the poorest conditions in the industry. So when you get the brochure with a young pilot pictured wearing shiny gold braid, please READ the contract and think very carefully on what future you're committing to.
Please don't think that I'm either unsympathetic, or smugly wishing just to keep my cosy left seat without being bothered by newbie whippersnappers. Far from it. I'll be retired before long but I can keenly remember the hunt for my first job. Even back then, second-rate airlines were offering "buy your type-rating/job" schemes/scams. I didn't do it, tempting though it was. Today's wannabes are the future of our industry. But what future? P2F employers offer amongst the poorest conditions in the industry. So when you get the brochure with a young pilot pictured wearing shiny gold braid, please READ the contract and think very carefully on what future you're committing to.
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That's exactly the point though. There's a huge demand for trained pilots. The companies issuing these abusive contracts couldn't exist without them. But as long as young would-be pilots are prepared to sign anything to get a seat, a pilot's worth to an airline is what he cost them...in many cases now, zero!
Dancing with the devil, going with the flow... it's all a game to me.
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We live in a society that places status above all else. The age of the celebrity. If an aspiring pilot can pay for the prestige and bragging rights that a job as 'airline pilot' brings... then a market will exist for that to happen. Morals are great, and we all like to think we possess them, but every person in life has a price, sadly. To bemoan P2F, is to bemoan society in general I'm afraid.
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You mean P2F 'line training'.
Paying for your TR is also P2F. As is paying for your MCC/JOC.
The airlines started this ... pilots followed.
Although I don't like it, i can understand why someone who has invested in a fATPL and hasn't had an interview for months or years, opts to pay for line training.
If I ever end up in that situation I will have to consider it, but it would be a last option.
Paying for your TR is also P2F. As is paying for your MCC/JOC.
The airlines started this ... pilots followed.
Although I don't like it, i can understand why someone who has invested in a fATPL and hasn't had an interview for months or years, opts to pay for line training.
If I ever end up in that situation I will have to consider it, but it would be a last option.
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P2F Testimonials
Hi guys,
IMPORTANT: The (European) Commission and Parliament ask for P2F testimonials. Information will be kept confidential.
Ideally someone that paid QT + LT + JOC.
For people doubting my credibility:
see this link
An ECA meeting in Brussels will occur next week after which I'll be able to give more information.
Please share and PM me asap.
IMPORTANT: The (European) Commission and Parliament ask for P2F testimonials. Information will be kept confidential.
Ideally someone that paid QT + LT + JOC.
For people doubting my credibility:
see this link
An ECA meeting in Brussels will occur next week after which I'll be able to give more information.
Please share and PM me asap.
